The Marmol/Haren Trade That Wasn't

[Gilby]

I would think the Cubs would be more clear with Marmol that the deal is not done yet before he goes and talks to the media. Marmol seemed pretty dang sure he was traded.

[Sammy Sofa]

Lack of professionalism? Hmm Joe Ricketts spouting off just while the stadium deal was getting rolling

 

What "stadium deal?" How was it "getting rolling?" Joe Ricketts can "spout off" however he wants; he has next to nothing to do with the operations of the Cubs.

 

announcing the dempster trade with the braves before officially notifying him and missing out on a top notch prospect

 

The Cubs didn't announce anything.

 

and here announcing this trade on the cubs website and the trade confirmed by marmol only to pull the deal at the last minute (according to ken rosenthal).

 

So what? Teams pull out of deals all the time. This isn't unusual at all.

 

Its bad enough that we got out bid by the A's on cespedes, made a half-***ed attempt at darvish, and failed to/ waited to long to trade Garza before he got hurt. There has been way too many blunders in the last year, its embarrassing.

 

Cespedes is about the only one I'd consider a "blunder." To act like this has been a parade of screw-ups is a reach that even Kyle would find embarrassing.

Edited November 3, 2012 by Sammy Sofa

[mul21]

Lack of professionalism? Hmm Joe Ricketts spouting off just while the stadium deal was getting rolling, announcing the dempster trade with the braves before officially notifying him and missing out on a top notch prospect, and here announcing this trade on the cubs website and the trade confirmed by marmol only to pull the deal at the last minute (according to ken rosenthal). Its bad enough that we got out bid by the A's on cespedes, made a half-***ed attempt at darvish, and failed to/ waited to long to trade Garza before he got hurt. There has been way too many blunders in the last year, its embarrassing.

 

Outside of all of that being completely inaccurate, right on bro!

[gocubs2118]

I would think the Cubs would be more clear with Marmol that the deal is not done yet before he goes and talks to the media. Marmol seemed pretty dang sure he was traded.

 

English isn't his first language. No matter how clear they though they were being, he still might have been confused.

[Rob]

Lack of professionalism? Hmm Joe Ricketts spouting off just while the stadium deal was getting rolling, announcing the dempster trade with the braves before officially notifying him and missing out on a top notch prospect, and here announcing this trade on the cubs website and the trade confirmed by marmol only to pull the deal at the last minute (according to ken rosenthal). Its bad enough that we got out bid by the A's on cespedes, made a half-***ed attempt at darvish, and failed to/ waited to long to trade Garza before he got hurt. There has been way too many blunders in the last year, its embarrassing.

 

Yeah.

 

It's nice to be important, but IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO BE NICE.

[Rizzo Smash]

What "stadium deal?" How was it "getting rolling?" Joe Ricketts can "spout off" however he wants; he has next to nothing to do with the operations of the Cubs.

Think he's talking about Joe Ricketts Super PAC against Obama when the Cubs were negotiating with Obama's buddy Rahm Emanuel about a Wrigley renovation deal.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Cespedes is about the only one I'd consider a "blunder." To act like this has been a parade of screw-ups is a reach that even Kyle would find embarrassing.

 

Yeah. As much as I'd love an excuse to pile on to the front office, this stuff isn't on them.

[Sabermetrician]

I would think the Cubs would be more clear with Marmol that the deal is not done yet before he goes and talks to the media. Marmol seemed pretty dang sure he was traded.

 

English isn't his first language. No matter how clear they though they were being, he still might have been confused.

 

Just want to chime in here -- the Cubs almost certainly have someone in their baseball operations department who speaks Spanish.

[Sammy Sofa]

What "stadium deal?" How was it "getting rolling?" Joe Ricketts can "spout off" however he wants; he has next to nothing to do with the operations of the Cubs.

Think he's talking about Joe Ricketts Super PAC against Obama when the Cubs were negotiating with Obama's buddy Rahm Emanuel about a Wrigley renovation deal.

 

I know what he was talking about; he's presenting it like the Cubs had some deal lined up and then Joe's political ties squashed the whole thing. That didn't happen. The Cubs were seemingly nowhere closer to getting a deal with the city than they were before that came to light; it was just political gossip fodder that didn't do much of anything to change the limbo status of the Cubs vs. Chicago.

[questionmarkgrace]

What "stadium deal?" How was it "getting rolling?" Joe Ricketts can "spout off" however he wants; he has next to nothing to do with the operations of the Cubs.

Think he's talking about Joe Ricketts Super PAC against Obama when the Cubs were negotiating with Obama's buddy Rahm Emanuel about a Wrigley renovation deal.

 

I know what he was talking about; he's presenting it like the Cubs had some deal lined up and then Joe's political ties squashed the whole thing. That didn't happen. The Cubs were seemingly nowhere closer to getting a deal with the city than they were before that came to light; it was just political gossip fodder that didn't do much of anything to change the limbo status of the Cubs vs. Chicago.

 

one month before Joe Ricketts flapped his mouth everything seemed positive and seemed to be gaining steam: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8622523

 

after Rahm is "livid" and "not returning calls:"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/rahm-emanuel-joe-ricketts-jeremiah-wright_n_1525541.html

 

and yes, the trade was reported on the cubs website earlier "marmol reportedly traded to angels for Haren" Obviously its since been taken down. Plus dont forget, the dempster gaff, missing out on cespedes, darvish, and failing to trade garza.

 

I expected more out of these Epstein and Co then the status quo. Right now were not getting it.

Edited November 3, 2012 by questionmarkgrace

[Rizzo Smash]

and yes, the trade was reported on the cubs website earlier "marmol reportedly traded to angels for Haren" Obviously its since been taken down. Plus dont forget, the dempster gaff, missing out on cespedes, darvish, and failing to trade garza.

The Dempster "gaff" was on Dempster being an [expletive], not on the organization. Failing to trade Garza? How do you know what was being offered?

[davell]

I am curious as to why this was such a deadline. Do players get paid year-round or just during the season?

[CUBZ99]

What "stadium deal?" How was it "getting rolling?" Joe Ricketts can "spout off" however he wants; he has next to nothing to do with the operations of the Cubs.

Think he's talking about Joe Ricketts Super PAC against Obama when the Cubs were negotiating with Obama's buddy Rahm Emanuel about a Wrigley renovation deal.

 

I know what he was talking about; he's presenting it like the Cubs had some deal lined up and then Joe's political ties squashed the whole thing. That didn't happen. The Cubs were seemingly nowhere closer to getting a deal with the city than they were before that came to light; it was just political gossip fodder that didn't do much of anything to change the limbo status of the Cubs vs. Chicago.

 

Yeah, that is why all of the other Ricketts were doing serious damage control for weeks after the story. I agree that we should give them a chance to put their stamp on the team, but so far they have been pretty much more of the same or worse.

[Irrelevant Dude]

I am curious as to why this was such a deadline. Do players get paid year-round or just during the season?

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[ctcf]

holy [expletive] does this board need more puppy pictures

[Sammy Sofa]

What "stadium deal?" How was it "getting rolling?" Joe Ricketts can "spout off" however he wants; he has next to nothing to do with the operations of the Cubs.

Think he's talking about Joe Ricketts Super PAC against Obama when the Cubs were negotiating with Obama's buddy Rahm Emanuel about a Wrigley renovation deal.

 

I know what he was talking about; he's presenting it like the Cubs had some deal lined up and then Joe's political ties squashed the whole thing. That didn't happen. The Cubs were seemingly nowhere closer to getting a deal with the city than they were before that came to light; it was just political gossip fodder that didn't do much of anything to change the limbo status of the Cubs vs. Chicago.

 

one month before Joe Ricketts flapped his mouth everything seemed positive and seemed to be gaining steam: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8622523

 

after Rahm is "livid" and "not returning calls:"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/rahm-emanuel-joe-ricketts-jeremiah-wright_n_1525541.html

 

Rahm's comments in the first story were just lip service; Daley talked plenty over the years about how much Wrigley meant to the city and they wanted to support it and blah-blah-blah. There's nothing in that article that indicates things were any closer than the talk we've heard before and since.

 

I also don't care how pissy he was over Joe; that's what Emanuel does because he's a troll. Wrigley is literally falling down and the city isn't going to let it fall apart. Everything right now is posturing, but it's not going to not happen because Joe Ricketts is a hardcore Republican. That's not how these things work.

 

and yes, the trade was reported on the cubs website earlier "marmol reportedly traded to angels for Haren" Obviously its since been taken down.

 

So what? Like I said, deals fall apart all the team. Teams have info announced that turns out to be incorrect all the time. How is any of this embarrassing?

 

Plus dont forget, the dempster gaff, missing out on cespedes, darvish, and failing to trade garza.

 

Missing out on Cespedes was the only mistake you've listed, and it's hardly embarrassing. Dempster fucked the deal up himself, the Rangers blew everyone else's bid out of the water and Garza got hurt. So what? How is that an embarrassing "blunder?"

 

I expected more out of these Epstein and Co then the status quo. Right now were not getting it.

 

This isn't the "status quo," either in the sense of how things usually go or being relative with how the Cubs have been run in the past. Your entire thesis is petulant.

[questionmarkgrace]

and yes, the trade was reported on the cubs website earlier "marmol reportedly traded to angels for Haren" Obviously its since been taken down. Plus dont forget, the dempster gaff, missing out on cespedes, darvish, and failing to trade garza.

The Dempster "gaff" was on Dempster being an [expletive], not on the organization. Failing to trade Garza? How do you know what was being offered?

 

Dont you think they should have told dempster and marmol not to discuss anything until it was final? Maybe they did however, in dempsters case iirc they told him he was likely to be traded the next day and would have time to approve a deal or not. Then the media got wind of it and he was like there is no trade and the Braves were miffed. Then the dodgers got pissed because Dempster was supposedly in on the gm conversations unbeknownst to Ned Colletti. As far as Garza being traded I dont know the offers there were plenty of rumors going round and he had plenty of suitors. We would have gotten a lot more back then we did for dempster because he had another full year of control.

[ctcf]

seriously you guys, look at that [expletive] face

[Sammy Sofa]

What "stadium deal?" How was it "getting rolling?" Joe Ricketts can "spout off" however he wants; he has next to nothing to do with the operations of the Cubs.

Think he's talking about Joe Ricketts Super PAC against Obama when the Cubs were negotiating with Obama's buddy Rahm Emanuel about a Wrigley renovation deal.

 

I know what he was talking about; he's presenting it like the Cubs had some deal lined up and then Joe's political ties squashed the whole thing. That didn't happen. The Cubs were seemingly nowhere closer to getting a deal with the city than they were before that came to light; it was just political gossip fodder that didn't do much of anything to change the limbo status of the Cubs vs. Chicago.

 

Yeah, that is why all of the other Ricketts were doing serious damage control for weeks after the story. I agree that we should give them a chance to put their stamp on the team, but so far they have been pretty much more of the same or worse.

 

Christ, this is meatballism at its most annoying.

 

The "damage control" was Tom publically repudiating the ad and pointing out that the other person who runs the team is a liberal lesbian who supported Obama in '08 and pointing out that, hey, we're not our dad, Mayor Dip [expletive]. If Emanuel is such a dunce that he's going to let a valuable and lucrative landmark for his broke city suffer in prolonged rehabilitation because the father of the people who run the team hates Obama then, yes, it's hopeless and the Ricketts will have to pay for the whole thing themselves.

[Rizzo Smash]

And the deadline has passed and Haren hasn't gone anywhere. This should tell you there's some medical issues.

[Irrelevant Dude]

And the deadline has passed and Haren hasn't gone anywhere. This should tell you there's some medical issues.

We should at least find out soon whether his option has been picked up.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And the deadline has passed and Haren hasn't gone anywhere. This should tell you there's some medical issues.

 

Or that the Angels have picked up his option and are continuing to negotiate with various interested teams.

[Abe Frohman]

So maybe Marmol was instructed to blab to take some of the heat off LA as Haren is damaged goods?

[Clem Fandango]

As far as Garza being traded I dont know the offers there were plenty of rumors going round and he had plenty of suitors. We would have gotten a lot more back then we did for dempster because he had another full year of control.

 

Yeah, they totally didn't trade Garza because it didn't have anything to do with the a season ending injury or anything.

[Guest]

How is this or the Dempster thing the Cubs' fault? That's silly.

 

Failing to trade Garza wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

Cespedes and Darvish weren't draft picks only allowed to negotiate with the Cubs (and believe me, I was rather disappointed they didn't get Darvish).

 

The Ricketts Super Pac/Rahm Emmanuel thing is just silly hogwash.