The Marmol/Haren Trade That Wasn't

[mookie]

It's your fault.

[davell]

Haren has a Twitter account under a fake name and was following everything. He also already had talked with gis wife and had convinced themselves a year in Chicago would be fun. I really want us to sign him now.

[davell]

Haren has a Twitter account under a fake name and was following everything. He also already had talked with gis wife and had convinced themselves a year in Chicago would be fun. I really want us to sign him now.

[Rizzo Smash]

Haren has a Twitter account under a fake name and was following everything. He also already had talked with gis wife and had convinced themselves a year in Chicago would be fun. I really want us to sign him now.

What's his Twitter name?

[Clem Fandango]

Haren has a Twitter account under a fake name and was following everything. He also already had talked with gis wife and had convinced themselves a year in Chicago would be fun. I really want us to sign him now.

What's his Twitter name?

 

I don't think it's publicly available, but there's a story about it on MLB.com

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121102&content_id=40157310&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

 

Dan Haren experienced a crazy Friday -- which began with his rumored trade to the Cubs for Carlos Marmol, then finished with the Angels declining his 2013 option after the deal fell through -- the way most people did.

 

Through social media.

 

See, Haren has a Twitter account under a secret name. Not to tweet, just to follow. And he was glued to the phone late Friday afternoon, convincing himself that Chicago would be a good fit for a year, reaching out to Angels general manager Jerry Dipoto to figure out what went wrong and then being stunned to hear he would instead be a free agent starting Saturday.

 

"I don't even know what to think, really," Haren said in a phone interview with MLB.com late Friday night, moments after his roller-coaster day was finally over. "This day has been one of the most anxious days of my life, definitely of my baseball career. I've been glued to my phone all day. I've tried to stay as busy as I could, but the fact of the matter is I was trying to keep up with what was going on."

[Little Slide Rooter]

Haren has a Twitter account under a fake name and was following everything. He also already had talked with gis wife and had convinced themselves a year in Chicago would be fun. I really want us to sign him now.

 

Assuming he is relatively healthy, he likely leapfrogs his way to the 2nd most expensive FA starting pitcher behind Greinke. If we pulled the Marmol+however much cash offer off the table, whatever the reason, I can't see us offering up 3-4 years. However, it could lower the price for guys like Marcum and McCarthy.

[rocket]

Haren has a Twitter account under a fake name and was following everything. He also already had talked with gis wife and had convinced themselves a year in Chicago would be fun. I really want us to sign him now.

What's his Twitter name?

 

hans daren

[tgkimmel]

I don't know what's worse. The five pages of absolutely worthless horse crap I just read, or the fact that I actually read it.

 

:banghead:

[Sammy Sofa]

"Failure on the part of the scouting system?" Which part of the scouting system is that, the spies that know what other teams' secret bids are?

 

No, the part that determines values of players. There is really no point on arguing this anymore, you seem to be more intent on making up excuses than dealing with facts.

 

Just for kicks, whose fault is it if the team doesn't place a winning bid or value a player properly?

 

It's a blind bidding system; by your standards a team wouldn't be "valuing a player properly" if they bid thousands less than the winning team. Couple that with the reports that the Rangers' bid was far beyond everyone and it's a fool's errand to try and act like this was some great failure.

[Guest]

there's no way we get anything close to haren for marmol from another team.

 

there had to be an issue with haren's medical. there's no other logical explanation.

 

Or it was never a straight up deal to begin with and the Angels want more than we want to give up.

 

I don't know about that. When they are asking players to waive their NTC's and one of the traded players (Marmol) is commenting on the trade, you have to think the particulars have been decided right? Marmol doesn't seem to care, but you risk a Lamar Odom by getting the players involved too early.

 

I don't agree at all. They would want to know if the player is open to going somewhere before working out the particulars and wasting a bunch of time.

[Guest]

Guys, I think if you debate the issue with questionmarkgrace for a couple more pages, you might change his mind.

 

Update: It appears I was incorrect.

 

LOL

[Guest]

I hate people with really stupid opinions and completely inaccurate interpretations of what happened.

 

For one thing, how many times of repeating that the Cubs leaked the Dempster trade will it take before it actually becomes true?

 

 

And in what way is pulling out of a deal, likely because of bad medicals or an inability to come to terms on financial details, embarrassing to the organization at all? Or do people think we just got cold feet and decided to back out for no good reason?

[Ballgame64]

I was looking forward to Haren pitching good and seeing what the front office could get for him at the trade deadline - assuming the team wouldn't be in playoff contention. After the news broke the trade wasn't happening, it made me wonder what other teams might be interested in Marmol and what the Cubs could get in return.

[rawaction]

I hate people with really stupid opinions and completely inaccurate interpretations of what happened.

 

For one thing, how many times of repeating that the Cubs leaked the Dempster trade will it take before it actually becomes true?

 

 

And in what way is pulling out of a deal, likely because of bad medicals or an inability to come to terms on financial details, embarrassing to the organization at all? Or do people think we just got cold feet and decided to back out for no good reason?

To me the trade was good enough for no financials to change hands, if Haren is healthy. And it is embarrassing for a FO that plays everything so close to the vest to have these things blow up on them after already being leaked. And the Dumpster deal turned out to be not as good as the original on paper. So this doesn't give me much hope that the eventual return for Marmol will be any better, though if the Cubs sign Harden and get anything for Marmol it would be a win.

[Guest]

I hate people with really stupid opinions and completely inaccurate interpretations of what happened.

 

For one thing, how many times of repeating that the Cubs leaked the Dempster trade will it take before it actually becomes true?

 

 

And in what way is pulling out of a deal, likely because of bad medicals or an inability to come to terms on financial details, embarrassing to the organization at all? Or do people think we just got cold feet and decided to back out for no good reason?

To me the trade was good enough for no financials to change hands, if Haren is healthy. And it is embarrassing for a FO that plays everything so close to the vest to have these things blow up on them after already being leaked. And the Dumpster deal turned out to be not as good as the original on paper. So this doesn't give me much hope that the eventual return for Marmol will be any better, though if the Cubs sign Harden and get anything for Marmol it would be a win.

 

The Dempster deal leaking had absolutely nothing to do with them. And you'd never know what we otherwise would've gotten for Maholm, but if you want to play that game, you'd be hard pressed to tell me that Dempster for Delgado and Maholm for whatever we would've gotten for him elsewhere would've topped Vizcaino and Villanueva (+ spare parts in both).

 

And Haren is not healthy. The question is just how not healthy, which looks to be even more in question now than it did 12 hrs ago.

[Sammy Sofa]

HAW, DUMPSTER.

[Guest]

HAW, DUMPSTER.

 

There was a lot of bad in there for such a good poster.

[rawaction]

I hate people with really stupid opinions and completely inaccurate interpretations of what happened.

 

For one thing, how many times of repeating that the Cubs leaked the Dempster trade will it take before it actually becomes true?

 

 

And in what way is pulling out of a deal, likely because of bad medicals or an inability to come to terms on financial details, embarrassing to the organization at all? Or do people think we just got cold feet and decided to back out for no good reason?

To me the trade was good enough for no financials to change hands, if Haren is healthy. And it is embarrassing for a FO that plays everything so close to the vest to have these things blow up on them after already being leaked. And the Dumpster deal turned out to be not as good as the original on paper. So this doesn't give me much hope that the eventual return for Marmol will be any better, though if the Cubs sign Harden and get anything for Marmol it would be a win.

 

The Dempster deal leaking had absolutely nothing to do with them. And you'd never know what we otherwise would've gotten for Maholm, but if you want to play that game, you'd be hard pressed to tell me that Dempster for Delgado and Maholm for whatever we would've gotten for him elsewhere would've topped Vizcaino and Villanueva (+ spare parts in both).

 

And Haren is not healthy. The question is just how not healthy, which looks to be even more in question now than it did 12 hrs ago.

How many times do they get passes though? It's always someone else's fault. But the Soler, Dempster, and Haren situations have a common denominator, the Cubs. And while this may happen a lot, it doesn't happen publicly a lot. Yet it has to a front office that prides itself on not letting these things happen. There is an issuer here clearly. Whether it's the FO or the people they a're giving info to, it looks bad.

[Sammy Sofa]

How many times do they get passes though? It's always someone else's fault. But the Soler, Dempster, and Haren situations have a common denominator, the Cubs. And while this may happen a lot, it doesn't happen publicly a lot.

 

I'm baffled by the sheer number of people who seem to honestly believe this. Or that seem to think the rest of baseball is keeping some kind of running tally and laughing at the Cubs over it.

[Gilby]

I hate people with really stupid opinions and completely inaccurate interpretations of what happened.

 

For one thing, how many times of repeating that the Cubs leaked the Dempster trade will it take before it actually becomes true?

 

 

And in what way is pulling out of a deal, likely because of bad medicals or an inability to come to terms on financial details, embarrassing to the organization at all? Or do people think we just got cold feet and decided to back out for no good reason?

To me the trade was good enough for no financials to change hands, if Haren is healthy. And it is embarrassing for a FO that plays everything so close to the vest to have these things blow up on them after already being leaked. And the Dumpster deal turned out to be not as good as the original on paper. So this doesn't give me much hope that the eventual return for Marmol will be any better, though if the Cubs sign Harden and get anything for Marmol it would be a win.

 

The Dempster deal leaking had absolutely nothing to do with them. And you'd never know what we otherwise would've gotten for Maholm, but if you want to play that game, you'd be hard pressed to tell me that Dempster for Delgado and Maholm for whatever we would've gotten for him elsewhere would've topped Vizcaino and Villanueva (+ spare parts in both).

 

And Haren is not healthy. The question is just how not healthy, which looks to be even more in question now than it did 12 hrs ago.

How many times do they get passes though?

 

Whenever it's not their fault. Presumably like this non trade and the Dempster one. It doesn't sound like the publicity had any negative effect on this deal, and they can't control what the Braves or other teams say.

[Guest]

Am I the only one that regrets missing out on Puig, too?

 

I'll say that I'm not entirely happy with the path the front office has chosen to take. However, I believe they've executed their plan pretty well so far.

[davell]

I was(hell, still am) disappointed this didn't go through. But if I try and look objectively at the FO, through these situations, heres what I come up with: Soler? No clue, but yeah, we may have had some sort of early agreement there. That said, if we did, MLB could have dug into it and kept us from signing him. They didn't. Dempster? Sure, Jed likely fucked up by putting him in the room while on the phone with the Dodgers. Weird situation to be in and I doubt Jed did it on purpose, if it happened. The douche was hanging out in another room all day and it had to be annoying as [expletive] to Jed and Theo. Especially after the Atlanta thing. Who obviously didn't care about anything, as they traded with us immediately after that played out with them. Haren? The Angels declining his option was extremely telling, as was the fact no one else pulled the trigger on a deal. Not to mention, as soon as the deal was reported, the Cubs(thru Muskat) said no deal was complete yet). If anyone actually is, or has the right even, to be pissed at the Cubs, its the Dodgers. But I'm fine with this Haren thing, mainly because hes a FA now. No one else gave up anything for him either and the Angels let him go. Something was wrong there.

[davell]

Am I the only one that regrets missing out on Puig, too?

 

I'll say that I'm not entirely happy with the path the front office has chosen to take. However, I believe they've executed their plan pretty well so far.

Hell no. I'm very disappointed we missed out on him. But the reason we missed supposedly is what has me questioning things more. Supposedly we were the high bidder for him, but Magic closed him down. If anything, I question our ability to "sell" in that situation. Although, we have no idea how that situation went down and Puig's character had some concerns as it was, based on how he changed agents. Wish we knew more on that one.(Hell, all of them)

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This kind of stuff happens to other teams all the time, too, we just don't pay as much attention to them.

 

The fact that the Angels were unable to find a single team to take Haren at effectively 1/12 is pretty telling that the Cubs did nothing wrong here.

[Little Slide Rooter]

How many times do they get passes though? It's always someone else's fault. But the Soler, Dempster, and Haren situations have a common denominator, the Cubs. And while this may happen a lot, it doesn't happen publicly a lot.

 

I'm baffled by the sheer number of people who seem to honestly believe this. Or that seem to think the rest of baseball is keeping some kind of running tally and laughing at the Cubs over it.

 

How many major trades/signings can you remember in recent years that we're reported as sure things by major outlets and respected sources and turned out to be no goes? ESPN and CBS had this. Dempster and Soler were reported by some major sources as well. Obviously, the Twitter age is responsible for this, but I can't think of many other major non-trades that were prematurely reported as done deals by multiple respected sources.

 

There was also the Pujols fiasco last year, also Twitter generated, but the last pre-Twitter debacle of this sort I can remember was Peavy, also the Cubs.