Re: NBA Draft & Offseason Thread

[Splendid Splinter]

I don't think the system would work without the cap unless you added something else. MLB has no cap and a legit player development system in place. NFL has non-guaranteed contracts. NHL has a little of everything.

 

 

I think NBA should've went something like the NHL system if they really wanna thrive. I think their new CBA deal is horrible. I don't think either side won on this deal. Heck, Miami Heat lost money this year and that's with winning a championship, sold out all their home games, AND not pay a penny for their arena. They will opt out in 2017 for a new CBA deal.

 

I'm not sure how these owners are just flat-out losing money like this each year. If it's really true, then it's all on the commish but it's Stern. Dude just needs to retire and get banned from NBA immediately by the new commish the day he takes office.

[davell]

Wow, Nash to the Lakers.

[ELCABALLO45]

What a stupid move by the Lakers.

[NOLA]

What a stupid move by the Lakers.

 

Why is it a stupid move? The Lakers window is closing fast but it's still open a couple of years. Nash, while slowing is still a dramamtic upgrade at a PG. Too often last year it was either feed it to Bynum or let Kobe create something at the end of the shot clock. Now there actually is someone who can get everyone involved, plus I doubt you'll see Kobe having to bring the ball into the frontcourt anymore. Sure a Westbrook can drive past Nash, but you have two 7 footers behind him in the lane. It's a great match for both.

[davell]

What a stupid move by the Lakers.

Yeah, a move that puts them right back in the middle of things is total dumbassery.

[ELCABALLO45]

Steve Nash is 38 years old.

He played most of his career in a run and gun system that inflated his stats.

He is a terrible defender.

 

When is the last time Kobe has ever played with a PG who has the ball in his hands all the time? Kobe needs the ball in his hands, he has never been a catch and shoot type player. One of the biggest weakness's in the Lakers game last year was they were not a very good 3 pt shooting team. Nash getting a bunch of bad shooters open doesn't really help them that much. Also, Nash trying to guard Westbrook in the playoffs will be hilarious. The Lakers need to get more athletic and younger. Is he an upgrade? I guess. Does this "put them back in the mix" nope.

[17 Seconds]

wait, it's a problem that he might take the ball out of kobe's hands more? kobe needs the ball in his hands? to do what? jack up 23 shots a game at 43%?

 

huge move for the lakers. they committed less than 30 million to him and ultimately they'll only end up giving away 2 late first rounders and 2 late second rounders.

[Splendid Splinter]

When is the last time Kobe has ever played with a PG who has the ball in his hands all the time? Kobe needs the ball in his hands, he has never been a catch and shoot type player. One of the biggest weakness's in the Lakers game last year was they were not a very good 3 pt shooting team. Nash getting a bunch of bad shooters open doesn't really help them that much. Also, Nash trying to guard Westbrook in the playoffs will be hilarious. The Lakers need to get more athletic and younger. Is he an upgrade? I guess. Does this "put them back in the mix" nope.

 

Here's the thing... Nash can shoot. Probably better than any teammate Kobe ever had on his team and probably by a good margin. I imagine Nash will give Kobe the ball quite a bit. Don't forget he will have Bynum and Gasol to pass to. Kobe isn't really a catch and shoot player, but Nash can be. Who else on the Lakers could be that guy? You talked about they're not a good 3 pt shooting team. They just got a guy who shot 42% (good for 8th all time) for his career from 3 pt land and had his worst % in 13 years this year at 39%. He's going to help them out there. Nash is pretty reliable/efficient shooting-wise and that's what the Lakers need IMO. He's really underrated as a shooter.

 

 

Quite a few PGs trying to guard Westbrook will be hilarious. Nash isn't alone there. I do agree with that they need to get more athletic and younger. Do I think they're back in the mix? IMO... yeah, but I see them as the Celtics. They can still contend and if they get a couple lucky breaks here and there, they can get back in the Finals.

 

First I thought it was 4- 1st rounders and I was like "Wow... they won't get younger anytime soon." Now it's 2- 1st and 2- 2nd round picks so it's even better for the Lakers now.

[davell]

I think there's a damn good chance they go get Dwight now. Bynum's far better than whatever the Nets can offer.

[Formerly Snayke]

Steve Nash is 38 years old.

He played most of his career in a run and gun system that inflated his stats.

He is a terrible defender.

 

When is the last time Kobe has ever played with a PG who has the ball in his hands all the time? Kobe needs the ball in his hands, he has never been a catch and shoot type player. One of the biggest weakness's in the Lakers game last year was they were not a very good 3 pt shooting team. Nash getting a bunch of bad shooters open doesn't really help them that much. Also, Nash trying to guard Westbrook in the playoffs will be hilarious. The Lakers need to get more athletic and younger. Is he an upgrade? I guess. Does this "put them back in the mix" nope.

 

Well, not on the face of it, but given the Lakers salary situation, one of Gasol or Bynum is getting dealt, and that would allow them to acquire better shooters.

[Guest]

This might not put the Lakers over the top, but there's no debating that this is a huge upgrade. The weakest position for the Lakers the last few years has been at the point. They've been running out an old Derek Fisher, Ramon Sessions, Steve Blake and Jordan Farmar. Even if Nash declines, he's still a guy who can handle the ball well, is unselfish (which he'll need to be on this team), shoot 3's at a solid clip (he was at 39% last year and he's going to get a ton of open looks from being on the court with Kobe, Pau and Bynum) and hit his FTs.

 

So excited about this move.

[ChiCubsFan]

I might actually root for the Lakers this year. I have a lot of respect for Nash and Kobe, and I'm very interested to see how this works out. I think it'll be great. Pau can get more involved with the PnR and Nash can definitely still shoot the 3 when the defense collapses on Kobe. Nash also creates a lot of fast break opportunities (easy points) which is something the Lakers struggled with last year. Big upgrade and great fit, in my opinion.

[Guest]

Steve Nash is 38 years old.

He played most of his career in a run and gun system that inflated his stats.

He is a terrible defender.

 

When is the last time Kobe has ever played with a PG who has the ball in his hands all the time? Kobe needs the ball in his hands, he has never been a catch and shoot type player. One of the biggest weakness's in the Lakers game last year was they were not a very good 3 pt shooting team. Nash getting a bunch of bad shooters open doesn't really help them that much. Also, Nash trying to guard Westbrook in the playoffs will be hilarious. The Lakers need to get more athletic and younger. Is he an upgrade? I guess. Does this "put them back in the mix" nope.

You guess Nash is an upgrade over Fisher/Sessions/Blake?

 

Of course they'd love to get younger and more athletic, but where are all these young, athletic PGs? They did a fantastic job of upgrading their weakest position, given their cap situation. And they're probably not done. They'll likely be the Boston Celtics of the East, aging but in the mix with a chance to go to the Finals if they get a few breaks.

[sneakypower]

didn't LA just give up a first for Sessions? they're like Oprah, with draft picks

[SouthSideRyan]

But why would Nash go to the Lakers when they have Sessions? The Bulls are clearly the best fit.

[bukie]

One of the four candidates for the Orlando head coach position is Quin Snyder.

 

They just re-signed Jameer Nelson.

 

I don't think Dwight is going to stay.

[Guest]

One of the four candidates for the Orlando head coach position is Quin Snyder.

 

They just re-signed Jameer Nelson.

 

I don't think Dwight is going to stay.

Man, the first time I saw him on the Lakers bench this past season, I was thrown for a loop. Can't believe he made it as an asst coach in the NBA.

[Old Style]

One of the four candidates for the Orlando head coach position is Quin Snyder.

Wait. What?

[illiniguy]

But why would Nash go to the Lakers when they have Sessions? The Bulls are clearly the best fit.

First you get to celebrate the celtics title, now this. Life is good.

[Warpticon]

didn't LA just give up a first for Sessions? they're like Oprah, with draft picks

 

They gave up Luke Walton and this year's first.

 

But why would Nash go to the Lakers when they have Sessions? The Bulls are clearly the best fit.

 

Sessions is a free agent.

 

Nash solves 2 of the Lakers' biggest problems: point guard (which wasnt a problem with Sessions per se, but still) and the need for a quality perimeter shooter so they can exploit their talent in the post. When there isn't a dangerous threat from beyond the arc, defenses can collapse on the big men and limit their effectiveness. You can't do that when you have one of the league's best shooters roaming the outside. Now the challenge is to see if they can solve their other biggest issue (bench depth/scoring) without getting too old in the process.

Edited July 5, 2012 by Warpticon

[SpongeWorthy]

SSR has his panties in a wad because I had the temerity to suggest that the Bulls should kick the tires on Nash

[rawaction]

Is there any reason not to believe the Lakers will get Dwight Howard? I'd imagine Bynum would be a key figure going to Orlando, with a 3rd team getting involved to get Gasol and giving Orlando draft picks probably.

[SpongeWorthy]

Is there any reason not to believe the Lakers will get Dwight Howard? I'd imagine Bynum would be a key figure going to Orlando, with a 3rd team getting involved to get Gasol and giving Orlando draft picks probably.

 

Well according to reports that came out this morning, which I put next to zero stock into, the Lakers intend to keep the Kobe/Nash/Gasol/Bynum core together.

[ChiCubsFan]

I think Gasol fits well with Nash. That said, any chance of a 3 way with the Bulls:

 

Lakers give: Gasol, Bynum

Lakers get: Howard, Boozer

 

Bulls give: Boozer, Gibson, Watson

Bulls get: Gasol

 

Magic give: Howard

Magic get: Bynum, Gibson, Watson

 

Lakers do it because they get Dwight and bring along Boozer, who makes Dwight happy. Maybe he'll be more open to resigning. Boozer is also a good fit with Nash in the PnR and now that he's primarily a jump shooter, he won't clog the paint too much for Dwight.

 

Magic do it because they get Bynum and Gibson to form a pretty good and youngish frontcourt. Watson becomes a decent shooter for them, but is primarily there to make the money work (and is an expiring).

 

Bulls do it because they get out from Boozer's contract (Gasol ends 1 year earlier) and get an upgrade to their starting PF. Losing Gibson is tough, but he's going to get a huge deal next offseason so it's better to use him as a trade asset now.

 

It'll never happen. You could also argue the Lakers would be better off sending Gasol somewhere else and getting a better secondary player than Boozer back. But any team getting Gasol in that 3 way has to send back a player better than Gibson to Orlando and better than Boozer to LA. Plus Boozer is one of Dwight's pals and might help in convincing him to resign in LA. The Bulls could also include picks to LA or Orlando if necessary.

[rawaction]

Bulls don't do that.