I guess Marlon Byrd's ties with BALCO/Conte weren't as clean

[CubmanPi]

I am doing a cycle of testosterone right now so I find this interesting.

Incredible.

[StarlinOnYou]

+18 lbs, no side effects. Yes, please.

[jersey cubs fan]

no side effects.

 

that's cute

[Tracer Bullet]

+18 lbs, no side effects. Yes, please.

 

we don't want or need you drug use posts

[seanimal]

disturbing, weird, and kind of hilarious

[Soul]

I think it's hilarious, but judging by the number of testosterone-related commericals I'm seeing on TV these days, I'm guessing a lot of men are now doing this, and it will probably increase.

 

From what I've been able to dig up, prostate cancer is a major side effect. And that's nothing to mess around with.

[Vinestal]

I think it's hilarious, but judging by the number of testosterone-related commericals I'm seeing on TV these days, I'm guessing a lot of men are now doing this, and it will probably increase.

 

From what I've been able to dig up, prostate cancer is a major side effect. And that's nothing to mess around with.

There are far more negative side effects of low testosterone than there are from the replacement drug. Hiking your levels past what is normal artificially however is a very bad idea. There are plenty of men that legitimately need hormone replacement drugs as they get older. I kind of doubt prostrate cancer is a side effect of something your body produces normally but I'm not a doctor or a scientist but the one doctor I have asked about it says that's not at all true.

[StarlinOnYou]

The media has brainwashed quite a few people on the war on steroids/drugs. There are so many misconceptions out there it's hilarious.

 

I can name about 50 people I know personally who have done some type of testosterone therapy at some point. I think many would be shocked at how prevalent it is in society.

 

Prostate cancer is not a side effect of TRT.

 

A large amount of males over 35 are doing TRT therapy now. Many MMA athletes included which has created a big spark of debate if you're fan of that sport.

 

Still a fan of Marlon Byrd.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Many MMA athletes included which has created a big spark of debate if you're fan of that sport.

 

You really know your audience.

[Soul]

As usual, if someone has some kind of imbalance and his doctor says he needs to correct it, that's one thing.

 

Then there's the population of people who don't do it that way, but simply abuse it instead.

 

Which category a person falls into is none of my business.

[Careless]

I think it's hilarious, but judging by the number of testosterone-related commericals I'm seeing on TV these days, I'm guessing a lot of men are now doing this, and it will probably increase.

 

From what I've been able to dig up, prostate cancer is a major side effect. And that's nothing to mess around with.

There are far more negative side effects of low testosterone than there are from the replacement drug. Hiking your levels past what is normal artificially however is a very bad idea. There are plenty of men that legitimately need hormone replacement drugs as they get older. I kind of doubt prostrate cancer is a side effect of something your body produces normally but I'm not a doctor or a scientist but the one doctor I have asked about it says that's not at all true.

We're talking about a cancer that most men who don't die early will get. Wouldn't be much of a surprise if it harmed men very late in their lives, after decades of reproductive possibilities.

 

Obviously we can't use women as any sort of control, and we're a bit short of eunuchs these days, so it's hard to say there.

 

But are there studies for it like the ones done on women with female hormone replacement therapies?

[Magnetic Curses]

HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME I'M A ROIDED UP FREAK

[Soul]

We're talking about a cancer that most men who don't die early will get. Wouldn't be much of a surprise if it harmed men very late in their lives, after decades of reproductive possibilities.

Huh?

 

"Cancer cells are stimulated to grow by testosterone."

 

I think this doctor, posted on WebMD, makes it very clear that there are many causes of testosterone imbalance, and that only someone who knows all these factors should be just handing someone testosterone supplements. Prostate cancer is a side effect, and it is a very serious one.

 

http://www.webmd.com/sex/video/testosterone-replacement-prostate-cancer

[Vinestal]

We're talking about a cancer that most men who don't die early will get. Wouldn't be much of a surprise if it harmed men very late in their lives, after decades of reproductive possibilities.

Huh?

 

"Cancer cells are stimulated to grow by testosterone."

 

I think this doctor, posted on WebMD, makes it very clear that there are many causes of testosterone imbalance, and that only someone who knows all these factors should be just handing someone testosterone supplements. Prostate cancer is a side effect, and it is a very serious one.

 

http://www.webmd.com/sex/video/testosterone-replacement-prostate-cancer

Recent research indicates that low endogenous testosterone levels may present a greater risk for prostate cancer than higher levels (Morgantaler 2006, Rodman et al 2008). There's a great deal of research and study availible online about the value of normal levels of testosterone. Not really a subject I want to argue at great depth about on a Cubs message board. My suggestion would be if your really currious about it do your own research and ask your doctor. Testosterone replacement is a valuable and necessary treatment for a lot of older men these days.

[Cubbie Swagger]

I'm into heavy weight lifting myself... so I know very well how prevalent steroids are at the gym. I've never used them myself, and I never will. The whole "no side effects" thing is pretty much a flawed argument. Just because you don't notice something visibly wrong with yourself doesn't mean that everything is okay. Western medicine and pharmaceuticals in general are a big evil scam and there's no reason why a human body should be consuming synthetic chemicals unless it's absolutely medically necessary.

 

Almost ALL of the health problems that people get are caused by the food that we eat and other environmental toxins. It's funny that people act like it's totally normal to get all these medical conditions in your 40's and 50's. It's a result of all the stuff you did to your body when you were young and you went around saying "well I don't notice any side effects".

 

So... if you aren't concerned about preserving your long-term health... go right ahead and take whatever you want. You're probably already zapping your food with radiation before you eat it, and wiping aluminum all over the most absorbant skin on your body on a daily basis (your arm pits).

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm into heavy weight lifting myself... so I know very well how prevalent steroids are at the gym. I've never used them myself, and I never will. The whole "no side effects" thing is pretty much a flawed argument. Just because you don't notice something visibly wrong with yourself doesn't mean that everything is okay. Western medicine and pharmaceuticals in general are a big evil scam and there's no reason why a human body should be consuming synthetic chemicals unless it's absolutely medically necessary.

 

Almost ALL of the health problems that people get are caused by the food that we eat and other environmental toxins. It's funny that people act like it's totally normal to get all these medical conditions in your 40's and 50's. It's a result of all the stuff you did to your body when you were young and you went around saying "well I don't notice any side effects".

 

So... if you aren't concerned about preserving your long-term health... go right ahead and take whatever you want. You're probably already zapping your food with radiation before you eat it, and wiping aluminum all over the most absorbant skin on your body on a daily basis (your arm pits).

 

How do you feel about double rainbows?

[Cubbie Swagger]

I'm into heavy weight lifting myself... so I know very well how prevalent steroids are at the gym. I've never used them myself, and I never will. The whole "no side effects" thing is pretty much a flawed argument. Just because you don't notice something visibly wrong with yourself doesn't mean that everything is okay. Western medicine and pharmaceuticals in general are a big evil scam and there's no reason why a human body should be consuming synthetic chemicals unless it's absolutely medically necessary.

 

Almost ALL of the health problems that people get are caused by the food that we eat and other environmental toxins. It's funny that people act like it's totally normal to get all these medical conditions in your 40's and 50's. It's a result of all the stuff you did to your body when you were young and you went around saying "well I don't notice any side effects".

 

So... if you aren't concerned about preserving your long-term health... go right ahead and take whatever you want. You're probably already zapping your food with radiation before you eat it, and wiping aluminum all over the most absorbant skin on your body on a daily basis (your arm pits).

 

How do you feel about double rainbows?

I would have to rank double rainbows ahead of shooting stars, but behind the loch ness monster as far as general awesomeness. Just to give you a range.

[El Duderino]

I totally saw the Lake Champlain monster while visiting Vermont.

[Magnetic Curses]

I'm into heavy weight lifting myself... so I know very well how prevalent steroids are at the gym. I've never used them myself, and I never will. The whole "no side effects" thing is pretty much a flawed argument. Just because you don't notice something visibly wrong with yourself doesn't mean that everything is okay. Western medicine and pharmaceuticals in general are a big evil scam and there's no reason why a human body should be consuming synthetic chemicals unless it's absolutely medically necessary.

 

Almost ALL of the health problems that people get are caused by the food that we eat and other environmental toxins. It's funny that people act like it's totally normal to get all these medical conditions in your 40's and 50's. It's a result of all the stuff you did to your body when you were young and you went around saying "well I don't notice any side effects".

 

it's totally normal because people didn't start making it to 40 with regularity until very recently, thanks in part to synthetics.

[Cubbie Swagger]

I'm into heavy weight lifting myself... so I know very well how prevalent steroids are at the gym. I've never used them myself, and I never will. The whole "no side effects" thing is pretty much a flawed argument. Just because you don't notice something visibly wrong with yourself doesn't mean that everything is okay. Western medicine and pharmaceuticals in general are a big evil scam and there's no reason why a human body should be consuming synthetic chemicals unless it's absolutely medically necessary.

 

Almost ALL of the health problems that people get are caused by the food that we eat and other environmental toxins. It's funny that people act like it's totally normal to get all these medical conditions in your 40's and 50's. It's a result of all the stuff you did to your body when you were young and you went around saying "well I don't notice any side effects".

 

it's totally normal because people didn't start making it to 40 with regularity until very recently, thanks in part to synthetics.

You are correct that synthetics have played a role in lengthening the human lifespan, but not as big of a role as people like to think. Mostly just eliminating mass diseases/plagues. In general, antibiotics are WAY over-prescribed and also very harmful. Really, the reason that we live longer today is because of our infrastructure. Food is widely available and regulated. We don't have to go around hunting and eating/drinking whatever we happen to find that day (risking all sorts of diseases, etc). Also, we don't get eaten by bears and lions and stuff as much anymore.

 

The bottom line is that people get things like cancer, Alzheimers, diabetes, autism, food allergies, etc at astronomically higher rates today than ever before. It's because of all the toxins we put into our bodies. Boy... now I'm really off topic.

[Illini Iceman]

I'm into heavy weight lifting myself... so I know very well how prevalent steroids are at the gym. I've never used them myself, and I never will. The whole "no side effects" thing is pretty much a flawed argument. Just because you don't notice something visibly wrong with yourself doesn't mean that everything is okay. Western medicine and pharmaceuticals in general are a big evil scam and there's no reason why a human body should be consuming synthetic chemicals unless it's absolutely medically necessary.

 

Almost ALL of the health problems that people get are caused by the food that we eat and other environmental toxins. It's funny that people act like it's totally normal to get all these medical conditions in your 40's and 50's. It's a result of all the stuff you did to your body when you were young and you went around saying "well I don't notice any side effects".

 

it's totally normal because people didn't start making it to 40 with regularity until very recently, thanks in part to synthetics.

You are correct that synthetics have played a role in lengthening the human lifespan, but not as big of a role as people like to think. Mostly just eliminating mass diseases/plagues. In general, antibiotics are WAY over-prescribed and also very harmful. Really, the reason that we live longer today is because of our infrastructure. Food is widely available and regulated. We don't have to go around hunting and eating/drinking whatever we happen to find that day (risking all sorts of diseases, etc). Also, we don't get eaten by bears and lions and stuff as much anymore.

 

The bottom line is that people get things like cancer, Alzheimers, diabetes, autism, food allergies, etc at astronomically higher rates today than ever before. It's because of all the toxins we put into our bodies. Boy... now I'm really off topic.

 

The toxins taste really good so I will take the chance.

[Magnetic Curses]

I'm into heavy weight lifting myself... so I know very well how prevalent steroids are at the gym. I've never used them myself, and I never will. The whole "no side effects" thing is pretty much a flawed argument. Just because you don't notice something visibly wrong with yourself doesn't mean that everything is okay. Western medicine and pharmaceuticals in general are a big evil scam and there's no reason why a human body should be consuming synthetic chemicals unless it's absolutely medically necessary.

 

Almost ALL of the health problems that people get are caused by the food that we eat and other environmental toxins. It's funny that people act like it's totally normal to get all these medical conditions in your 40's and 50's. It's a result of all the stuff you did to your body when you were young and you went around saying "well I don't notice any side effects".

 

it's totally normal because people didn't start making it to 40 with regularity until very recently, thanks in part to synthetics.

You are correct that synthetics have played a role in lengthening the human lifespan, but not as big of a role as people like to think. Mostly just eliminating mass diseases/plagues. In general, antibiotics are WAY over-prescribed and also very harmful. Really, the reason that we live longer today is because of our infrastructure. Food is widely available and regulated. We don't have to go around hunting and eating/drinking whatever we happen to find that day (risking all sorts of diseases, etc). Also, we don't get eaten by bears and lions and stuff as much anymore.

 

The bottom line is that people get things like cancer, Alzheimers, diabetes, autism, food allergies, etc at astronomically higher rates today than ever before. It's because of all the toxins we put into our bodies. Boy... now I'm really off topic.

 

people have been mass farming for 10,000 years and food has been widely available since. the very existence of farms implies that they have cities to feed. people living on top of each other in cities is a far better way of spreading disease than people hunting and fishing for food in small reclusive communities. after withstanding plague after plague, we finally figured out a few tricks to improve our chances at survival, antiseptics (thank you, Donnie Darko) and antibiotics.

 

what you're bemoaning isn't pharmaceuticals, but the necessity of pharmaceuticals. but the only way we can live without them now is to trade the plow for the spear, which isn't going to happen. you'll have to live with it.

 

the older our population gets, the sicker it will get.

[Derwood]

I had just assumed that HGH was illegal due to it being against the rules in baseball, so I was kinda shocked when I heard a radio ad today (from a local nutrition/supplement store) advertising HGH spray.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm into heavy weight lifting myself... so I know very well how prevalent steroids are at the gym. I've never used them myself, and I never will. The whole "no side effects" thing is pretty much a flawed argument. Just because you don't notice something visibly wrong with yourself doesn't mean that everything is okay. Western medicine and pharmaceuticals in general are a big evil scam and there's no reason why a human body should be consuming synthetic chemicals unless it's absolutely medically necessary.

 

Almost ALL of the health problems that people get are caused by the food that we eat and other environmental toxins. It's funny that people act like it's totally normal to get all these medical conditions in your 40's and 50's. It's a result of all the stuff you did to your body when you were young and you went around saying "well I don't notice any side effects".

 

it's totally normal because people didn't start making it to 40 with regularity until very recently, thanks in part to synthetics.

You are correct that synthetics have played a role in lengthening the human lifespan, but not as big of a role as people like to think. Mostly just eliminating mass diseases/plagues. In general, antibiotics are WAY over-prescribed and also very harmful. Really, the reason that we live longer today is because of our infrastructure. Food is widely available and regulated. We don't have to go around hunting and eating/drinking whatever we happen to find that day (risking all sorts of diseases, etc). Also, we don't get eaten by bears and lions and stuff as much anymore.

 

The bottom line is that people get things like cancer, Alzheimers, diabetes, autism, food allergies, etc at astronomically higher rates today than ever before. It's because of all the toxins we put into our bodies. Boy... now I'm really off topic.

 

people have been mass farming for 10,000 years and food has been widely available since. the very existence of farms implies that they have cities to feed. people living on top of each other in cities is a far better way of spreading disease than people hunting and fishing for food in small reclusive communities. after withstanding plague after plague, we finally figured out a few tricks to improve our chances at survival, antiseptics (thank you, Donnie Darko) and antibiotics.

 

what you're bemoaning isn't pharmaceuticals, but the necessity of pharmaceuticals. but the only way we can live without them now is to trade the plow for the spear, which isn't going to happen. you'll have to live with it.

 

the older our population gets, the sicker it will get.

 

To be fair, there is an over "dependence" (more like over-usage of) pharmaceuticals (particularly psychotropic drugs, which Americans consume at a prodigious rate). And antibiotics are over-prescribed. But your overall point stands. Improved healthcare tools like vaccinations and antibiotics, along with the basic understanding of medical pathology that led to them, are more responsible for our increased longevity than any other factor, by far. They're not remotely perfect, but their role can't be understated.

 

The far more grievous threats currently posed to general health are overprocessed, chemicalized food and environmental pollution, as well as communicable disease. Cubbie swagger says food is well regulated, but this really isn't true. Compared to Europe and many other developed areas, our food regulation is an absolute joke (less of a joke if you buy organic). Of course this is also a symptom of larger populations. It's hard to properly source and make affordable good foods for some many people.

 

You also say the older people get, the sicker it gets. This is obvious. But there is increased incidence/diagnosis of diseases like cancers in younger people, which is a result of two things: improved diagnostic procedures/tools, and increased environmental hazards.

 

There is a tradeoff when you talk about moving from hunter/gather societies to centralized urban/argrarian societies, but not all of the negative effects we see are present as a matter of cause or necessity.

[seanimal]

I totally saw the Lake Champlain monster while visiting Vermont.

 

Champy