Re: Jeff Samardzija is (or was) pretty awesome

[Guest]

Coming into today, K/BB ratio:

 

Pitches 1-25: 6.25

26-75: 3.00

76+: 1.67

 

 

I've never really bought into the idea that you need a ton of different pitches to be an effective starter.

 

It looks to me that he just doesn't have the stamina to be a starter right now, either in terms of a single game or the course of a season. I don't know if he's going to get better in future seasons, but there's no reason not to try. You can always shift him back to the bullpen later.

Just like I said. It's not stamina. His fastball has little movement and the second time around they are teeing off. If he can't throw his off speed pitches for strikes he's not going to get good results.

 

Condescend away.

 

Seems to me that the one talking like a know it all who knows nothing is the one being condescending.

 

Way to ignore, like, facts and stuff, though.

You offer absolutely nothing except yeah what he said.

 

Why would I need to remake points that were already made and ignored by you? So that you can ignore them again?

I meant all your posts all of the time unless you are starting a pedantic new thread. You don't need to try so hard, the cool kids like you.

[El Duderino]

Shots fired.

[Guest]

I meant all your posts all of the time unless you are starting a pedantic new thread. You don't need to try so hard, the cool kids like you.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QguWdSsI8S8

 

This feels so appropriate. At least you spelled it correctly, professor.

[haubrich91]

Would you guys be in favor of shutting him down until after the ASB? If they don't skip him before it, he would face the Braves and Mets (both road games).

 

It can't hurt can it? Let him do his side sessions if need be, but let him clear his head.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why wouldn't you let him "clear his head" by just starting? What's to lose besides meaningless games?

[bukie]

Why wouldn't you let him "clear his head" by just starting? What's to lose besides meaningless games?

Considering he's probably got an innings ceiling anyway this year, you lose innings by letting him start when he's got stamina issues.

 

I'd rather see him get 10 more decent 6-7 inning starts than 15 4 inning starts where he struggles. If letting him rest a while can help that, then let him rest for a while.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why wouldn't you let him "clear his head" by just starting? What's to lose besides meaningless games?

 

Well I think it's pretty obvious he is going to need a break at some point this season. It's unrealistic to think he was ever going to make 30+ starts this year for 200+ innings, given his history. So if he is going to need a break, why not give it to him while he's in the middle of pitching like crap?

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Seems fairly obvious that Shark is struggling turning over a major league lineup. That could be due to a number of things, all of which are the typical reasons why some pitchers are relievers and not starters: no third pitch, little deception in delivery, lack of movement on secondary pitches, poor pitch selection (i.e., not varying up how you attack hitters the 2nd and 3rd time through vis-a-vis the 1st time), and poor stamina. Long story short, there is a reason why bullpen pitchers aren't starters. (Unless you're Aroldis Chapman and your manager is simply a complete idiot.) At this point, I just hope Shark's issues are with stamina and concentration and not "stuff"-related.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why wouldn't you let him "clear his head" by just starting? What's to lose besides meaningless games?

 

Well I think it's pretty obvious he is going to need a break at some point this season. It's unrealistic to think he was ever going to make 30+ starts this year for 200+ innings, given his history. So if he is going to need a break, why not give it to him while he's in the middle of pitching like crap?

 

Because he ideally needs to work through pitching like crap. Of course he's not going to have a starter's full workload this season; it just seems rather subjective to either give him a break now or later. I mean, he needs to work through this kind of stuff at some point if he's expected to stick.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh, [expletive], I meant to reply to bukie and not gooney. Now this is going to pointlessly go on for 5 pages.

 

GOONEY: I HAVE MADE MY OPINION KNOWN, AS HAVE YOU. STAND DOWN.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why wouldn't you let him "clear his head" by just starting? What's to lose besides meaningless games?

 

Well I think it's pretty obvious he is going to need a break at some point this season. It's unrealistic to think he was ever going to make 30+ starts this year for 200+ innings, given his history. So if he is going to need a break, why not give it to him while he's in the middle of pitching like crap?

 

Because he ideally needs to work through pitching like crap. Of course he's not going to have a starter's full workload this season; it just seems rather subjective to either give him a break now or later. I mean, he needs to work through this kind of stuff at some point if he's expected to stick.

 

No, you're dumb.

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh, [expletive], I meant to reply to bukie and not gooney. Now this is going to pointlessly go on for 5 pages.

 

GOONEY: I HAVE MADE MY OPINION KNOWN, AS HAVE YOU. STAND DOWN.

 

I actually think you might let him pitch through this now, given the unsettled nature of the rotation, but I don't really care either way. He does need a break sometime.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Thread reinstated.

[davell]

Honestly, it is what it is. He's got the ability and he's learning. I'm glad it's happening in a throw away year. He'll be better for it going forward.

[sneakypower]

0.34 FIP tonight, that's more like it

[seanimal]

can't turn over a lineup lol

[17 Seconds]

i'm still pretty excited about him. he's shown he can be dominant, and it's kind of expected that he might have endurance problems this season.

[Guest]

I have no idea how anyone can watch Shark pitch and say:

 

- he has marginal stuff

- his fastball is straight

- he has no third pitch

[UMFan83]

I have no idea how anyone can watch Shark pitch and say:

 

- he has marginal stuff

- his fastball is straight

- he has no third pitch

 

Yup. That's why, while disappointed, I could not be that down on Sharks potential because of a bad month. His stuff is just too good.

[haubrich91]

Splitter was awesome tonight.

[TruffleShuffle]

i don't like the idea of giving him time off after a really bad start. hey it's not punishment, we're just going to sit you for a couple of weeks after you gave up 8 runs in 4 innings. plus it just gives him time to think about how he just pitched like crap.

[ctcf]

Honestly, it is what it is. He's got the ability and he's learning. I'm glad it's happening in a throw away year. He'll be better for it going forward.

 

This. I think it's sometimes easy to forget it's his first year starting for a full MLB season, if only because he's been in the organization so long. Add to that the fact he was jerked around a bit in terms of being a starter/reliever and it's pretty hard not to be thrilled with this season to date.

[abohnhoff]

Any word of an innings limit for Shark this year? Seems fairly plausible he gets shut down come September.

[jersey cubs fan]

can't turn over a lineup lol

 

Uh yeah well... he only made it through three times last night. What's up with that?

[Guest]

I have no idea how anyone can watch Shark pitch and say:

 

- he has marginal stuff

- his fastball is straight

- he has no third pitch

 

Yup. That's why, while disappointed, I could not be that down on Sharks potential because of a bad month. His stuff is just too good.

 

It's why somebody doesn't know what the [expletive] they're talking about.