2013 Draft Discussion

[davell]

Appel with 15 K's thru 7.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Appel with 15 K's thru 7.

 

I'm kinda sorta inching toward his bandwagon.

 

I love the fact that he's so close to ready. If I'm going to be drafting a pitcher, I want one who may be 22 and injury-free before he makes his first pro appearance.

[davell]

Appel with 15 K's thru 7.

 

I'm kinda sorta inching toward his bandwagon.

 

I love the fact that he's so close to ready. If I'm going to be drafting a pitcher, I want one who may be 22 and injury-free before he makes his first pro appearance.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I've been wanting Manaea to fall to 2, but Appel may be better, has less risk(overuse being his main concern in my mind) and could possibly be a league average MLB starter as early as 2014. With plenty of upside from there.

[Guest]

Appel's final line: 7 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 15 K. Two of the four hits were doubles.

[davell]

Ziomek with 2 hits allowed and 10 K's thru 7.

[Guest]

Stanek: 4.1 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 4 BB, 3 K

Wahl: 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 6 K

Ziomek's final line: 9 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 13 K, CG against a very good Oregon team in Eugene

Anderson: 8 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 10 K, 1 HBP

 

@kileymcd JU RHP Chris Anderson was crisper in the first tonight than last week with the warmer weather: 91-94 touching 95 still hasn't used SL yet.

 

Manaea is supposed to start tomorrow.

[davell]

If Stanek has had a quality start this year, I've missed it. It wouldn't surprise me if Anderson and Gray pass him up soon.

[Guest]

FYI, the 15 K is a new career high for Appel. He tied his previous career high of 14 last Friday.

 

His last 3 starts: 25 IP, 10 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 30 K. That's a 0.72 ERA, 10.80 K/9, 1.08 BB/9

 

That includes games against some quality opponents such as Fresno State and Texas.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

FYI, the 15 K is a new career high for Appel. He tied his previous career high of 14 last Friday.

 

His last 3 starts: 25 IP, 10 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 30 K. That's a 0.72 ERA, 10.80 K/9, 1.08 BB/9

 

That includes games against some quality opponents such as Fresno State and Texas.

 

Pitching himself right out of our consideration, i.e. Astros take him?

[Redfoot]

I think Appel had some very bad representation in last years draft and I'm very happy to see it hasn't affected him in a negative way. This season could have gone sideways on him and it shows a lot of character that he didn't let that happen.

[Guest]

FYI, the 15 K is a new career high for Appel. He tied his previous career high of 14 last Friday.

 

His last 3 starts: 25 IP, 10 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 30 K. That's a 0.72 ERA, 10.80 K/9, 1.08 BB/9

 

That includes games against some quality opponents such as Fresno State and Texas.

 

Pitching himself right out of our consideration, i.e. Astros take him?

 

Depends on their strategy - if they go cheap at the top again, they certainly won't pick Appel.

 

Also, a majority of teams favored Manaea going into the season. Manaea hasn't done anything to slip and hasn't had the opportunity to impress yet since he's only thrown 6 innings in the last 3 Fridays (last weekend's start was snowed out and he hasn't pitched yet this weekend).

[davell]

I want to see Manaea hold velo late in games over the course of the season, since he's yet to do that. Right now, Appel is definitely safer and has just as high of an upside, arguably anyway. I think Anderson is this years' Kyle Zimmer. The come from no where, now I'm a top 10 pick guy.

[Guest]

Overton: 8 IP, 13 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 4 K.

 

His curve wasn't effective though it was raining pretty steadily all game so he might have struggled with grip with a wet ball. Sounds like his change was good and his FB started off well (88-92) but tailed off (85-88). Not surprisingly, USC got to him in the middle and late parts of the game, scoring in the 5th, 6th and 8th innings.

[Guest]

I want to see Manaea hold velo late in games over the course of the season, since he's yet to do that. Right now, Appel is definitely safer and has just as high of an upside, arguably anyway. I think Anderson is this years' Kyle Zimmer. The come from no where, now I'm a top 10 pick guy.

 

I've heard that Manaea can't hold his velo late in games a few times around the Internet and I'm not sure why that keeps going around; he kept his velocity late in games last season in the Missouri Valley and in the Cape Cod. Admittedly, he did bump his velocity up in the summer but he was able to work 90-94 in the spring at Indiana State. His problem has always been inconsistent secondary stuff; even though it tightened up a bit in the Cape, the slider was still inconsistent at times.

 

To show how far Manaea and Anderson have come, Zimmer was considered a likely first rounder by the end of his sophomore season and turned into a top 5 pick in his junior season. Neither Manaea nor Anderson were on the first round radar immediately after their sophomore seasons. Manaea of course blew up in the summer but Anderson was still thought of as a fringe 5th round guy at the start of this season but in a month, has turned into a potential top 15 pick.

[Guest]

Conor Glassey[/url]"]The athletic, 6-foot-5, 215-pound Appel was pitching with his typical stuff tonight: a mid-90s fastball that topped out at 98, a hard slider and a changeup. Once again he's one of the most talented players in the country but it's tough to gauge where he'll go in the draft after turning down $3.8 million from the Pirates as the No. 8 pick in 2012. He's taken a step forward from his junior year to his senior year and is on track to graduate this quarter.

 

"He's become more of a baseball player at this point, trying to understand situations and trying to pitch out of situations," Filter said. "He had a fantastic year, number-wise last year, and to try to improve upon that sometimes isn't really do-able. But he's tried to create more angle to the fastball and pitch both sides of the plate with the fastball and he's been able to do that so far this year."

[Cubswin11]

I think I've officially been swayed from Manaea to Appel. I want Appel Edited March 9, 2013 by Cubswin11

[Guest]

On Drew Ward:

 

Matt Garrioch[/url]"]Ward is a huge kid. He has a leveraged swing that can get long but creates a lot of power. He has a high leg kick that could cause some issues with timing good off-speed pitches and high-end velocity. He is very fluid at the plate but I think he could get out of sync with all the moving parts between his hands and legs. I have a feeling that this will get changed in pro ball fairly quickly.

 

Ward is a tough case to crack. He has dominated inferior competition for several years now and held his own in showcases. He could be a guy who is a prototypical first baseman with .280 average and 25 home runs, but then again he may struggle to make contact.

 

I know many people like comps and I'll give you one from last years' draft: Joey Gallo. Gallo sells out for more power but the physicality and the tools are similar.

 

I see Ward as an early second round type, maybe supplemental round but I would not be shocked to see him go as high as the mid-teens for someone who loves the power potential. It will be interesting to see how teams slot him into their draft board after not bearing down on him last year, expecting to have another year to evaluate him.

[Guest]

Jonathan Gray was just utterly dominant today and shut down UCLA, hitting 100 a few times. He's probably in the top 10 and has replaced Crawford and Wahl as the next college pitcher after the Appel, Manaea and Stanek triumvirate.

[Guest]

all i want is for appel and manaea to both be healthy and good at the time of the draft.

[Guest]

Manaea: 6 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 8 K, 1 HBP.

 

By starting Saturday, I bet he got a lot of extra eyeballs who might have been viewing some other team's Friday ace.

[A New Era]

I would say that the important descision this front office will be judged on in the 2013 draft years from now is, did they take Appel or Mannea. They both have Ace upside. But honestly I think it will instead be, "we got the one the Astros didn't take".

 

At this point I'm happy there are two studly pitchers in a year we pick #2.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I would say that the important descision this front office will be judged on in the 2013 draft years from now is, did they take Appel or Mannea. They both have Ace upside. But honestly I think it will instead be, "we got the one the Astros didn't take".

 

At this point I'm happy there are two studly pitchers in a year we pick #2.

 

There's still some high school players that can't be ruled out, too.

 

It does seem like enough of the players are taking steps forward and emerging that we're going to have some second-pick worthy choices to choose from, which is all we can ask at this point.

[davell]

I could possibly be convinced into Kris Bryant or even Jonathon Gray at 2. At least if they keep playing as well as they have been.

[Guest]

I could possibly be convinced into Kris Bryant or even Jonathon Gray at 2. At least if they keep playing as well as they have been.

 

Maybe Gray can get into the mix with Appel, Manaea and Stanek if he keeps it up.

 

Bryant still still strikes out a bit too much and some feel he has a hole in his swing. I'm confident he can play RF if he has to move from 3B so defense won't be a worry and his discipline is fantastic which makes up for his control problems, but I think he's much farther behind Appel, Manaea and Stanek than Gray is.

 

@keithlaw The latter. RT @RyanMoulder1: @keithlaw Is Kris Bryant a rare college power bat or just good for this years draft?

 

@keithlaw Don't scout the stat line, esp in just 17 innings. RT @thebronxempire: could Stanek's control problems drop him to the mid to late 1st?

 

@keithlaw Draft buzz of the day is that Oklahoma's Jonathan Gray, 92-97 when I saw him last month, was 94-98 yesterday and touched 100

[CubsWin]

Kevin Gallo is reporting that many of the scouts he is talking to believe that Bryant can/will stick at 3B.

 

Appel is growing on me with each dominant performance he puts out. My main concern with him is Stanford's pitcher abuse. Does anyone have any insight on this that will talk me of the ledge?