Dempster Traded to Texas for 3B Villanueva & RHP Hendricks

[shnsajax]

Time to give the Rangers a call.

[Illini Iceman]

I don't get it. We already HAD a deal in place with them. Now they'd tell us to screw off if we asked for Delgado again. This has to be some type of piece to try to salvage his reputation since he figured out the fans and organization are pissed off at him. All of a sudden he's open to about several teams...

 

Well, for one thing, 10% of the starts he would have made in the regular season are now gone.

 

For another, I assume the reports that the Braves don't want someone who isn't enthused about playing for them are true.

 

Of course the Braves will say they have moved on, it is part of being a good negotiator. Bottom line is if they wanted Demptser for Delgado a few days ago they still want it now and are just playing on the hesitation to see if they can get a better deal. They probably wanted Greinke more anyway but now that he is gone they will want to move on Demptster again if he is now going to approve the deal.

 

As far as fans and Braves players being pissed, all he has to do is say he is sorry but he had some personal things to get in order and now he has done that and is excited to be able to finally be able to join a great organization like the Braves and play for his good friend blah, blah, blah. Everyone will forget all about the rest once he makes his first start.

[XZero771679666304]

Time to give the Rangers a call.

 

The Rangers' sights are set a lot higher than Dempster, and they have the ammo to get it done. If the Cubs have any chance at getting some of their talent, it'll be for Garza, which looks doubtful at this point.

[Theo]

Mark Bowman ‏@mlbbowman

 

With Greinke off the board, the Braves will continue to evaluate other options. Dempster still in play for now.

[CubsWin]

Time to give the Rangers a call.

 

The Rangers' sights are set a lot higher than Dempster, and they have the ammo to get it done. If the Cubs have any chance at getting some of their talent, it'll be for Garza, which looks doubtful at this point.

Garza could still be in play. Teams know what he is and the medicals are no big deal on him. A small amount of fluid in a muscle. Its not a shoulder or an elbow. If a team is motivated enough and their doctors clear him, Garza could still go. What will keep him on the team is if teams want some sort of noticeable discount because he had a cramp in his last start.

[CubsWin]

With Hamels and Greinke off the board, that leaves Josh Johnson who, according to Buster Olney, wasn't going to be traded if the Marlins were able to move Hanley. So he is likely off the board as well. By my count, that leaves Garza and Dempster as the two top remaining trade options for teams needing starting pitching. Am I missing someone?

 

Luckily, the teams with the some of the best farm systems, Texas and Atlanta are still looking. Are things looking up all of a sudden?

Edited July 28, 2012 by CubsWin

[toonsterwu]

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-cubs/cubs-talk/Dempster-may-be-willing-to-look-at-other?blockID=747397&feedID=10336&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

Ryan Dempster begged me and since I am nothing but a pathetic jock sniffer I agreed to say that Dempster has not told Cubs management that he will only play for the Los Angeles Dodgers. His position appears to be that he will consider any option that sends him to a team with a chance to win a World Series. The sticking point with the original deal with Atlanta was the fact that by making the trade early in the week it eliminated any chance for LA to increase its offer and Dempster wanted time to give the Dodgers a chance to increase their proposal so that he could play out west and with Ted Lilly.

 

Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer according to two formers GM’s who have negotiated against them in the past will not cave in just to make a deal. If the Dodgers do not increase their offer the Cubs may engage in serious talks with several other teams in the market for starting pitching and if they can find an acceptable deal they would then present that opportunity to Dempster. As we draw closer to the July 31st deadline the Cubs will find out just how serious the 35 year old Dempster is about wanting to pitch in a pennant race this fall.

 

I know it's easy to take shots at Kaplan and Dempster right now, but I wonder if Kaplan's sources aren't ... if not from the organization, supporting TheoJed. I wonder if this isn't a shot at

 

a) Trying to smooth things over for Dempster

b) Letting Atlanta know Dempster's changed his mind a bit, through the media

c) Shot at Dempster to let him know, we aren't budging unless the Dodgers budge, so you might need to open your options

 

That said, silly season and I'm just spouting.

[ctcf]

Time to give the Rangers a call.

 

The Rangers' sights are set a lot higher than Dempster, and they have the ammo to get it done. If the Cubs have any chance at getting some of their talent, it'll be for Garza, which looks doubtful at this point.

Garza could still be in play. Teams know what he is and the medicals are no big deal on him. A small amount of fluid in a muscle. Its not a shoulder or an elbow. If a team is motivated enough and their doctors clear him, Garza could still go. What will keep him on the team is if teams want some sort of noticeable discount because he had a cramp in his last start.

 

Also, I'm sure the team could have a doctor examine Garza if they were that worried, no?

[Vinestal]

With Hamels and Greinke off the board, that leaves Josh Johnson who, according to Buster Olney, wasn't going to be traded if the Marlins were able to move Hanley. So he is likely off the board as well. By my count, that leaves Garza and Dempster as the two top remaining trade options for teams needing starting pitching. Am I missing someone?

 

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale

And the #Angels come up big winners in Greinke sweepstakes, with Josh Johnson now likely for #Rangers.

[toonsterwu]

@Ken_Rosenthal: Deal is done: Greinke to #Angels, sources tell me and @jonmorosi.

 

And it's done. Supposedly.

 

@Ken_Rosenthal: #Brewers getting shortstop Jean Segura and two Double A pitchers from #Angels for Greinke. "Finishing touches" being applied. Deal is done.

Brewers got Segura who was a top 60ish prospect coming into this season, John Hellweg (Angels #4 prospect) and Ariel Pena (Angels #9 prospect) for a two month rental of Greinke.

 

3 top 10 prospects from the Angels org with one of them being top 60ish overall. Kinda justifies the Cubs holding out for more from the Dodgers.

 

Wait, how does this justify the Cubs holding out for more? Greinke's a far better talent than Dempster and both are rentals.

[Illini Iceman]

Time to give the Rangers a call.

 

The Rangers' sights are set a lot higher than Dempster, and they have the ammo to get it done. If the Cubs have any chance at getting some of their talent, it'll be for Garza, which looks doubtful at this point.

Garza could still be in play. Teams know what he is and the medicals are no big deal on him. A small amount of fluid in a muscle. Its not a shoulder or an elbow. If a team is motivated enough and their doctors clear him, Garza could still go. What will keep him on the team is if teams want some sort of noticeable discount because he had a cramp in his last start.

 

Also, I'm sure the team could have a doctor examine Garza if they were that worried, no?

 

I don't think the Rangers are in play for Garza anyway. They don't consider him elite and they are supposedly only willing to make a deal for an elite starter.

[Clem Fandango]

With Hamels and Greinke off the board, that leaves Josh Johnson who, according to Buster Olney, wasn't going to be traded if the Marlins were able to move Hanley. So he is likely off the board as well. By my count, that leaves Garza and Dempster as the two top remaining trade options for teams needing starting pitching. Am I missing someone?

 

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale

And the #Angels come up big winners in Greinke sweepstakes, with Josh Johnson now likely for #Rangers.

 

Yeah the Rangers are pushing for Josh Johnson, and Nightengale had this...

 

Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that that the Marlins and Rangers are still "heavy in talks" regarding Josh Johnson.

Furthermore, Nightengale writes that the Marlins are "leaving no doubt" that they intend to trade Johnson. The 28-year-old right-hander is under contract for $13.75 million next season, so the price is said to be extremely high. The Blue Jays, Angels and Orioles are among the other clubs reportedly in the mix.

 

That being said, the Marlins are rumored to be asking for guys like Profar, Olt and Perez (all together) for Johnson alone, which is an absurd request for Johnson's current performance and serious recent injury history, and fairly expensive price tag for next year (relatively speaking). The Marlins may be forced to take a lesser deal or hold on to him. I'm hoping they don't budge on their demands and have to hang onto him making Garza one of the top pitchers on the market.

 

The only other pitcher who might challenge that status is James Shields, but he's been abysmal this year (admittedly due to a high BABIP)

[CubsWin]

With Hamels and Greinke off the board, that leaves Josh Johnson who, according to Buster Olney, wasn't going to be traded if the Marlins were able to move Hanley. So he is likely off the board as well. By my count, that leaves Garza and Dempster as the two top remaining trade options for teams needing starting pitching. Am I missing someone?

 

Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale

And the #Angels come up big winners in Greinke sweepstakes, with Josh Johnson now likely for #Rangers.

I'd put money on Olney over Nightengale 9 times out of 10. Let's hope this isn't that one time...

[illiniguy]

If they get Jurrickson Profar for Josh Johnson....

[davell]

The only player the Rangers part with Profar for on the Marlins is Stanton. Olt and Perez or Buckel is a very solid return for Johnson, better than what anyone else will offer(or even can). It leaves Shields, who I hope stays put or winds up anywhere other than Atlanta or LA. Honestly though, he's been awful. I could actually see a team take a chance on Garza's injury, just as easily as taking a chance on him.

[toonsterwu]

If Atlanta comes crawling back and asking about Dempster (just positive thinking right now), I wonder if we might have to help Wren save some face after his public pronouncements. But even if it costs us a middling prospect, that would still be a good deal.

 

The ideal situation, IMO, would be what it was when the Dempster/Braves mess starting - getting Delgado (even if we have to give up a little something something), and then seeing if the Rangers/Dodgers can bid up Garza. If the Rangers go for Johnson (still have a tough time seeing them meet the Marlins demand for 3 good young pieces, 2 I can see ... 3? Guess that comes down to how one defines good young pieces), then the Dodgers could be left with Garza, and the Dodgers seem all-in right now. If we could pull a Lee and another arm out of the deal, that would be a heck of a trading deadline.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Crasnick just tweeted this:

 

#Dodgers and #Cubs discussing a Ryan Dempster-for-Josh Lindblom deal, source says.

 

 

 

 

(I admit to having absolutely zero clue who Josh Lindblom is.)

[davell]

[expletive] that. A bullpen arm? No [expletive] thank you. Not unless Gould or Webster is coming along too.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

The only player the Rangers part with Profar for on the Marlins is Stanton. Olt and Perez or Buckel is a very solid return for Johnson, better than what anyone else will offer(or even can). It leaves Shields, who I hope stays put or winds up anywhere other than Atlanta or LA. Honestly though, he's been awful. I could actually see a team take a chance on Garza's injury, just as easily as taking a chance on him.

For whatever it's worth, Jim Callis speculated (not unreasonably, IMO) that the fact that the Angels were able to swing Greinke with the rumored package might indicate that the Rangers weren't willing to part with Olt in a potential swap for Greinke. Then again, maybe they're content with 3-whatever-year-old Aramis at 3B for the foreseeable future.

[davell]

Oh, and Lindblom is a very good bullpen arm, by the way.

[toonsterwu]

[expletive] that. A bullpen arm? No [expletive] thank you. Not unless Gould or Webster is coming along too.

 

and not exactly a dominant one at that (good, though). We have enough righty arms to audition for the future. I'd much rather take some stab in the dark on a low level high upside arm than Lindblom.

[El Duderino]

wow, that would suck. unless he's a throw-in.

[El Duderino]

@BleacherNation

 

RT @jcrasnick Not yet sure what additional pieces would be in this #Dodgers #Cubs deal, if it comes to fruition.

[Theo]

I'll be in the minority, but I don't think Lindblom would be a horrible return, considering he's cost controlled for a few seasons. Maybe they also think they can make him a starter?

[El Duderino]

he's never had above 96 innings for a season in the minor leagues and hasn't started since 2010

 

this was Goldstein's blurb on Lindblom before this year:

 

15. Josh Lindblom, RHP: He's a big league-ready reliever, but his ceiling ends in 7th or 8th inning.

Edited July 28, 2012 by El Duderino