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[davell]

All Wallace has to do is accept a very front loaded offer and the Steelers are screwed, because they won't be able to match. Yeah, they'll get that teams 1st, but my guess is Wallace is a Bengal in a couple of weeks. And the Steelers will be looking hard at Floyd or Wright at 21, trying to leapfrog the Bears, in order to get one of them.

[Splendid Splinter]

All Wallace has to do is accept a very front loaded offer and the Steelers are screwed, because they won't be able to match. Yeah, they'll get that teams 1st, but my guess is Wallace is a Bengal in a couple of weeks. And the Steelers will be looking hard at Floyd or Wright at 21, trying to leapfrog the Bears, in order to get one of them.

 

 

So how much does the offer have to be in order for Steelers to not be able to match it? Just curious...

 

 

Here's the thing... Prince Amukamara was the 19th pick last year. His contract is for 4 years, 8.18 mil. Bears will have to sign Mike Wallace to a much bigger contract than that. Granted, Wallace is a great and young WR, but is it worth getting him and losing that pick? It'll depend on the contract Wallace would get.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

Any other potential cuts rumored to be coming? I heard Kamerion Wimbley.

[davell]

All Wallace has to do is accept a very front loaded offer and the Steelers are screwed, because they won't be able to match. Yeah, they'll get that teams 1st, but my guess is Wallace is a Bengal in a couple of weeks. And the Steelers will be looking hard at Floyd or Wright at 21, trying to leapfrog the Bears, in order to get one of them.

 

 

So how much does the offer have to be in order for Steelers to not be able to match it? Just curious...

 

 

Here's the thing... Prince Amukamara was the 19th pick last year. His contract is for 4 years, 8.18 mil. Bears will have to sign Mike Wallace to a much bigger contract than that. Granted, Wallace is a great and young WR, but is it worth getting him and losing that pick? It'll depend on the contract Wallace would get.

My guess is some team winds up giving Wallace 15 mill or so, in the form of a roster bonus or something like that, that Pittsburgh just can't match. They'd have to cut too many guys. I'm saying the Bengals because it's a division rival, they have 2 1st rounders and are 40 mill under the cap, so they can afford to take a huge cap hit in year 1 of a deal.

[rawaction]

All Wallace has to do is accept a very front loaded offer and the Steelers are screwed, because they won't be able to match. Yeah, they'll get that teams 1st, but my guess is Wallace is a Bengal in a couple of weeks. And the Steelers will be looking hard at Floyd or Wright at 21, trying to leapfrog the Bears, in order to get one of them.

 

 

So how much does the offer have to be in order for Steelers to not be able to match it? Just curious...

 

 

Here's the thing... Prince Amukamara was the 19th pick last year. His contract is for 4 years, 8.18 mil. Bears will have to sign Mike Wallace to a much bigger contract than that. Granted, Wallace is a great and young WR, but is it worth getting him and losing that pick? It'll depend on the contract Wallace would get.

My guess is some team winds up giving Wallace 15 mill or so, in the form of a roster bonus or something like that, that Pittsburgh just can't match. They'd have to cut too many guys. I'm saying the Bengals because it's a division rival, they have 2 1st rounders and are 40 mill under the cap, so they can afford to take a huge cap hit in year 1 of a deal.

 

15Mil is a little high. I don't think the Steelers can match 10Mil up front. And 12Mil is definite. If I'm the Bears, I'd probably do it. I personally think every FA that's going to be out there is a bigger risk than Wallace for the same or more money. Jackson is 29, and 1 DUI away from a year long suspension. Colston is 28 with a history of knee surgeries. I'd be OK with Stevie Johnson, but Wallace is easily a better player.

 

I don't know that the Bengals would make the move for Wallace. The rumor is they want to move up for Richardson, possibly packaging both 1st round picks they have. I think the Bears and 49ers are most likely to make a move.

 

Also, if Wallace is gone, I believe that they would target Stephen Hill with one of their 1st round picks. Replace a WR with 4.3 speed with a bigger WR with 4.3 speed.

[Guest]

All Wallace has to do is accept a very front loaded offer and the Steelers are screwed, because they won't be able to match. Yeah, they'll get that teams 1st, but my guess is Wallace is a Bengal in a couple of weeks. And the Steelers will be looking hard at Floyd or Wright at 21, trying to leapfrog the Bears, in order to get one of them.

 

 

So how much does the offer have to be in order for Steelers to not be able to match it? Just curious...

 

 

Here's the thing... Prince Amukamara was the 19th pick last year. His contract is for 4 years, 8.18 mil. Bears will have to sign Mike Wallace to a much bigger contract than that. Granted, Wallace is a great and young WR, but is it worth getting him and losing that pick? It'll depend on the contract Wallace would get.

My guess is some team winds up giving Wallace 15 mill or so, in the form of a roster bonus or something like that, that Pittsburgh just can't match. They'd have to cut too many guys. I'm saying the Bengals because it's a division rival, they have 2 1st rounders and are 40 mill under the cap, so they can afford to take a huge cap hit in year 1 of a deal.

 

15Mil is a little high. I don't think the Steelers can match 10Mil up front. And 12Mil is definite. If I'm the Bears, I'd probably do it. I personally think every FA that's going to be out there is a bigger risk than Wallace for the same or more money. Jackson is 29, and 1 DUI away from a year long suspension. Colston is 28 with a history of knee surgeries. I'd be OK with Stevie Johnson, but Wallace is easily a better player.

 

I don't know that the Bengals would make the move for Wallace. The rumor is they want to move up for Richardson, possibly packaging both 1st round picks they have. I think the Bears and 49ers are most likely to make a move.

 

Also, if Wallace is gone, I believe that they would target Stephen Hill with one of their 1st round picks. Replace a WR with 4.3 speed with a bigger WR with 4.3 speed.

 

Are they really in a place where they would need to use one of their first rounders on a WR? Antonio Brown established himself as a true #1 last year, IMO. Emmanuel Sanders is a pretty decent #2. Not sure if Cotchery is coming back or not, but he's decent enough depth at the position for a season. I think they could easily get by with a lesser talented FA or draft pick. Heck, Wallace was a 3rd rounder who is now clearly 1st round talent. It's expensive to lose a first round pick for him, but he is first round talent. So the trade off is worth it.

[rawaction]

All Wallace has to do is accept a very front loaded offer and the Steelers are screwed, because they won't be able to match. Yeah, they'll get that teams 1st, but my guess is Wallace is a Bengal in a couple of weeks. And the Steelers will be looking hard at Floyd or Wright at 21, trying to leapfrog the Bears, in order to get one of them.

 

 

So how much does the offer have to be in order for Steelers to not be able to match it? Just curious...

 

 

Here's the thing... Prince Amukamara was the 19th pick last year. His contract is for 4 years, 8.18 mil. Bears will have to sign Mike Wallace to a much bigger contract than that. Granted, Wallace is a great and young WR, but is it worth getting him and losing that pick? It'll depend on the contract Wallace would get.

My guess is some team winds up giving Wallace 15 mill or so, in the form of a roster bonus or something like that, that Pittsburgh just can't match. They'd have to cut too many guys. I'm saying the Bengals because it's a division rival, they have 2 1st rounders and are 40 mill under the cap, so they can afford to take a huge cap hit in year 1 of a deal.

 

15Mil is a little high. I don't think the Steelers can match 10Mil up front. And 12Mil is definite. If I'm the Bears, I'd probably do it. I personally think every FA that's going to be out there is a bigger risk than Wallace for the same or more money. Jackson is 29, and 1 DUI away from a year long suspension. Colston is 28 with a history of knee surgeries. I'd be OK with Stevie Johnson, but Wallace is easily a better player.

 

I don't know that the Bengals would make the move for Wallace. The rumor is they want to move up for Richardson, possibly packaging both 1st round picks they have. I think the Bears and 49ers are most likely to make a move.

 

Also, if Wallace is gone, I believe that they would target Stephen Hill with one of their 1st round picks. Replace a WR with 4.3 speed with a bigger WR with 4.3 speed.

 

Are they really in a place where they would need to use one of their first rounders on a WR? Antonio Brown established himself as a true #1 last year, IMO. Emmanuel Sanders is a pretty decent #2. Not sure if Cotchery is coming back or not, but he's decent enough depth at the position for a season. I think they could easily get by with a lesser talented FA or draft pick. Heck, Wallace was a 3rd rounder who is now clearly 1st round talent. It's expensive to lose a first round pick for him, but he is first round talent. So the trade off is worth it.

 

No, they wouldn't have to spend a 1st round pick on a WR. But I think Hill would be of interest for them. Ben has said he wants a big WR (ala Cutler). And they would need to replace Wallace's deep speed. With the extra pick, and those 3 WRs ahead of him (Cotchery is most likely going to be re-signed), the Steelers can afford to take Hill and wait on him if necessary.

[OleMissCub]

Well I guess I'm a fan of an officially dirty team....Very disappointing.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011?module=HP11_breaking_news

 

After a lengthy investigation conducted by the NFL's security department, the league announced Friday that 22 to 27 defensive players on the New Orleans Saints maintained a "pay for performance" program that included "bounty" payments administered by then-defensive coordinator Gregg Williams during the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons.

 

The program runs in violation of league rules, and the investigation showed that Saints players received $1,500 for a “knockout” hit and $1,000 for a “cart-off” hit with payouts doubling or tripling during the team's three playoff appearances. The program also entailed payments for interceptions and fumble recoveries, which also violates league rules against non-contract bonuses. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will determine the appropriate discipline based on the investigation, the league said in a statement.

[JimSorgi]

Well I guess I'm a fan of an officially dirty team....Very disappointing.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011?module=HP11_breaking_news

 

After a lengthy investigation conducted by the NFL's security department, the league announced Friday that 22 to 27 defensive players on the New Orleans Saints maintained a "pay for performance" program that included "bounty" payments administered by then-defensive coordinator Gregg Williams during the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons.

 

The program runs in violation of league rules, and the investigation showed that Saints players received $1,500 for a “knockout” hit and $1,000 for a “cart-off” hit with payouts doubling or tripling during the team's three playoff appearances. The program also entailed payments for interceptions and fumble recoveries, which also violates league rules against non-contract bonuses. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will determine the appropriate discipline based on the investigation, the league said in a statement.

 

Hopefully Goodell destroys them.

[OleMissCub]

Hopefully Goodell destroys them.

 

He didn't destroy the Patriots for SpyGate and that was straight up cheating so I dunno what he'll do to the Saints, but obviously with the NFL so concerned lately with concussions and all that the punishment definitely won't be light.

[JimSorgi]

Hopefully Goodell destroys them.

 

He didn't destroy the Patriots for SpyGate and that was straight up cheating so I dunno what he'll do to the Saints, but obviously with the NFL so concerned lately with concussions and all that the punishment definitely won't be light.

Yeah, I think they'll be punished more because it put other players at serious risk.

[Soul]

Hopefully Goodell destroys them.

 

He didn't destroy the Patriots for SpyGate and that was straight up cheating so I dunno what he'll do to the Saints, but obviously with the NFL so concerned lately with concussions and all that the punishment definitely won't be light.

Yeah, I think they'll be punished more because it put other players at serious risk.

 

Although, I doubt the Saints invented this....

 

It sounds like the NFL is trying to get ahead of the story, issuing statements and hinting at potential punishments.

 

I'll bet there were other teams doing something similar.

[Magnetic Curses]

Hopefully Goodell destroys them.

 

He didn't destroy the Patriots for SpyGate and that was straight up cheating so I dunno what he'll do to the Saints, but obviously with the NFL so concerned lately with concussions and all that the punishment definitely won't be light.

 

"hey, i'll give you $1,000 if you go low at his knees and end his career."

 

sounds like some cowardly disgusting stuff to me. no place for that in football, give them the chair.

[OleMissCub]

Who is saying it isn't offensive or cowardly? It's pretty damn trashy.

[Magnetic Curses]

i was commenting on the issue. don't be so defensive.

[Magnetic Curses]

hearing some stuff about stripping the saints of their franchise tag in 2012.

 

uh oh

[SpongeWorthy]

I'll go with multiple 1st round picks being stripped as my predicted punishment. The Pats lost one first rounder for SpyGate which is probably worse in a certain way but with the league's focus on player safety they'll throw the (relative) book at the Saints.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

A couple of thoughts about the Saints situation.

 

First, I expect the penalties to be a tad worse than the Patriots received in Spygate. The NFL has made a concerted effort to clean up the sport. Bounties on players isn't going to play well. I'm hearing they could lose next year's first round pick and a possible second or third round pick this year. In addition, the organization could be fined upwards to 1 million. The players involved will likely get fined but probably no suspensions.

 

Second, did they forget to put bounties on Vernon Davis and Marshawn Lynch?

[Smack]

hearing some stuff about stripping the saints of their franchise tag in 2012.

 

uh oh

 

Brees is going to be donating an upper deck for Ross Ade Stadium if that's true.

[scarey]

Didn't Bennett get hurt during the Saints game this year? I wonder how much that payed out considering he missed multiple games.

[OleMissCub]

[expletive] Greg Williams.

 

Also, the Saints didn't do a very good job of trying to hurt people; they haven't exactly lit people up the past few years. Although they were definitely going after Favre in the NFC Champ game a few years back. Several of those hits were dirty.

[PriortoTheoIhadWood]

1. Does anyone think this Saints thing is isolated to the Saints? I sure as hell don't.

 

2. Did they actually take out a QB this year?

[rawaction]

[expletive] Greg Williams.

 

Also, the Saints didn't do a very good job of trying to hurt people; they haven't exactly lit people up the past few years. Although they were definitely going after Favre in the NFC Champ game a few years back. Several of those hits were dirty.

 

And Cutler this year. Blitzing relentlessly with a double digit lead late.

[OleMissCub]

[expletive] Greg Williams.

 

Also, the Saints didn't do a very good job of trying to hurt people; they haven't exactly lit people up the past few years. Although they were definitely going after Favre in the NFC Champ game a few years back. Several of those hits were dirty.

 

And Cutler this year. Blitzing relentlessly with a double digit lead late.

 

Or it could be that the Saints run a blitz-heavy defense and the Bears line was godawful that game.

[Magnetic Curses]

[expletive] Greg Williams.

 

Also, the Saints didn't do a very good job of trying to hurt people; they haven't exactly lit people up the past few years. Although they were definitely going after Favre in the NFC Champ game a few years back. Several of those hits were dirty.

 

And Cutler this year. Blitzing relentlessly with a double digit lead late.

 

Or it could be that the Saints run a blitz-heavy defense and the Bears line was godawful that game.

 

of course you're going to defend the saints. but that doesn't really address what raw was saying.