Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[rawaction]

Why doesn't it make sense to change the offense?

 

Because it would be Cutler's 5th offense in the last 6 years (Shanahan to McDaniels, to Turner to Martz). Plus, if the Bears don't make the playoffs next year, there's a possibility that the whole staff gets fired. That would mean a 6th OC in 7 years for Cutler.

 

Cutler didn't play under McDaniels.

 

Yes, but I'm sure he had the playbook and was learning the offense.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why doesn't it make sense to change the offense?

 

Because it would be Cutler's 5th offense in the last 6 years (Shanahan to McDaniels, to Turner to Martz). Plus, if the Bears don't make the playoffs next year, there's a possibility that the whole staff gets fired. That would mean a 6th OC in 7 years for Cutler.

 

Cutler didn't play under McDaniels.

 

Yes, but I'm sure he had the playbook and was learning the offense.

 

I was thinking that, but didn't they never end up meeting? That relationship soured almost from day one.

[Guest]

I really want Floyd.

 

Well, I really want Blackmon, but that's not happening.

[rawaction]

Don't sleep on Kendall Wright. He's only 5-10, but he's a good fit for the offense. Super fast and strong. Drawing a lot of Steve Smith (carolina) and Mike Wallace comparisons.

[Banedon]

The Bears fired Jerry Angelo, the team's general manager, and a team source said the reason why was simple:

 

"The organization was growing stale."

 

 

.....

 

 

The team announced on its website that Smith would coach in 2012. A source had earlier told me that Smith was in trouble and I still think he is. I'm still not convinced Smith will coach the Bears next season and I'm extremely skeptical he'll coach beyond that.

 

http://mike-freeman.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6264363/34176207

[Theo]

That article isn't accurate at all

 

Let's put it this way. As Bears general manager Angelo was 95-41 overall. Under him the Bears won four division championships and went to a Super Bowl. Does that sound like a man who should have been fired?

 

 

I don't have the exact number, but I'm pretty sure he isn't 50+ games over 500 as bears GM

[Banedon]

That article isn't accurate at all

 

Let's put it this way. As Bears general manager Angelo was 95-41 overall. Under him the Bears won four division championships and went to a Super Bowl. Does that sound like a man who should have been fired?

 

 

I don't have the exact number, but I'm pretty sure he isn't 50+ games over 500 as bears GM

 

The wins look right, but the losses are way off. I've counted 95-73.

 

EDIT: 95 is the wins since 2001....41 is the losses since 2006. Haha.

[Cubbies622]

That article isn't accurate at all

 

Let's put it this way. As Bears general manager Angelo was 95-41 overall. Under him the Bears won four division championships and went to a Super Bowl. Does that sound like a man who should have been fired?

 

 

I don't have the exact number, but I'm pretty sure he isn't 50+ games over 500 as bears GM

 

The wins look right, but the losses are way off. I've counted 95-73.

It's 95-81 if I added up the records correctly. Hes only off by 40 losses. No big deal

[Banedon]

That article isn't accurate at all

 

Let's put it this way. As Bears general manager Angelo was 95-41 overall. Under him the Bears won four division championships and went to a Super Bowl. Does that sound like a man who should have been fired?

 

 

I don't have the exact number, but I'm pretty sure he isn't 50+ games over 500 as bears GM

 

The wins look right, but the losses are way off. I've counted 95-73.

It's 95-81 if I added up the records correctly. Hes only off by 40 losses. No big deal

 

Yeah, I forgot to add the losses from this season.

 

I edited my post above, to show where he got his numbers.

[jersey cubs fan]

That article isn't accurate at all

 

Let's put it this way. As Bears general manager Angelo was 95-41 overall. Under him the Bears won four division championships and went to a Super Bowl. Does that sound like a man who should have been fired?

 

 

I don't have the exact number, but I'm pretty sure he isn't 50+ games over 500 as bears GM

 

The wins look right, but the losses are way off. I've counted 95-73.

It's 95-81 if I added up the records correctly. Hes only off by 40 losses. No big deal

 

Yeah, 95-81 in the regular season, 3-4 in the playoffs during that period.

[Theo]

I really think one of the major straws that broke the camels back was the Sam Hurd incident. It embarrased the organization, and you can claim you didn't know about the guy, but in any organization, if you make a major hire and it backfires like that, someone has to pay.

[jersey cubs fan]

I really think one of the major straws that broke the camels back was the Sam Hurd incident. It embarrased the organization, and you can claim you didn't know about the guy, but in any organization, if you make a major hire and it backfires like that, someone has to pay.

 

As big of a deal as that is, I don't really see any sort of nationwide backlash against the Bears. Maybe the Bears did an internal investigation that found Angelo should have known more or something, but that incident seemed to be less of a story than the Tank Johnson or Cedric Benson stories. It just doesn't seem to me that the Bears have suffered from Hurd's arrest, yet. Although I could definitely see Virginia freaking out over it.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Happy [expletive] New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Wow, Virginia has balls

[UMFan83]

1/3/12: Alright! Angelo out, good things are on the horizon.

?/?/12: Bears hire as new GM! Great hire, he should be able to turn this ship around in no time.

1 month later/12: Boo He didn't make a serious attempt to sign , , and . Bears are going to suck until 2023. Boo, hiss.

 

This doesn't make sense. In football the draft is the primary talent acquisition method, and by a larger margin than the other 3 sports. Most even casual fans know this and won't complain if the new GM doesn't throw a crapload of money around in FA. Last year a lot of people were complaining about our FA decisions because 1) we had (have) a ton of cap space, 2) we had glaring needs at WR and OL, 3) we assumed Angelo was no where close to being fired, and because of his refusal to draft those 2 positions, we needed to make up for it in FA.

 

With a new GM, I would hope most fans would give him a basic level of trust that he will build a team properly through the draft and fill the remaining holes through calculated FA pickups.

[Theo]

1/3/12: Alright! Angelo out, good things are on the horizon.

?/?/12: Bears hire as new GM! Great hire, he should be able to turn this ship around in no time.

1 month later/12: Boo He didn't make a serious attempt to sign , , and . Bears are going to suck until 2023. Boo, hiss.

 

This doesn't make sense.

Consider the source.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Don't sleep on Kendall Wright. He's only 5-10, but he's a good fit for the offense. Super fast and strong. Drawing a lot of Steve Smith (carolina) and Mike Wallace comparisons.

I like Wright more then Flloyd

[Theo]

Martz is gone. Just popped up on twitter.

[ctcf]

Happy [expletive] New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Wow, Virginia has balls

 

No, George does.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well on the bright side, Minnesota is maintaining their "Cleveland Indians in Major League" stance by promoting Rick Spielman to GM. He previously sucked in the Bears and Dolphins front offices before running the Vikings personel department in recent seasons.

[rawaction]

Martz is gone. Just popped up on twitter.

 

Looks like he resigned.

[Banedon]

Martz resigned...

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-mike-martz-out-as-bears-offensive-coordinator-20120103,0,4029196.story

[Banedon]

Rofl....Martz cited "philosophical differences"

 

"I wanna pass every down!"

 

"No."

 

"I'm gone."

[jersey cubs fan]

Martz is gone. Just popped up on twitter.

 

Looks like he resigned.

 

resigned an extension?

[UMFan83]

Let's not forget Jerry had 3 QBs who he acquired running teams this year. He also had two drafted RBs as franchise backs in Benson and Forte, plus Thomas Jones was somebody who he acquired for the right price at the right time in his career. Jerry wasn't incompetent in the least. He got guys, but Lovie's coaching staff struggled to get the most out of a few of them. He did a very bad job identifying the need to draft offensive linemen between the Columbo and Williams picks, which was something the Bucs struggled with as well during his tenure there.

 

I agree that he's not incompetenent, but he's not good either.

 

That's the thing, despite a lack of draft hits over the last several years, and basically ignoring several FA groups, he still built decent teams. But I don't even think I really understand why. Here are a few reasons that I've come up with:

 

1) Defense is surviving on early to mid 2000's pickups like Urlacher, Briggs, and Tillman. The rest of the D is built with adequate but not great draft picks, and FA signings. Looking at Melton, Toeaina, Izzy, Wright, Jennings, they are ok players, but none of them are premier talents. They fit well in the scheme and their shortcomings are aided by Peppers (on the line), Tillman (in the secondary), and Urlacher and Briggs (everywhere).

2) Lovie is a coach who gets the most out of his players, gets them rallying behind him, and has stubbornly refused to adjust his defensive scheme. The last part is important because the organization by now knows every little thing about Lovie's cover 2. They know the kind of players that fit every position, and the players that have been there for a couple of years know it like the back of their hand. The consistency has allowed the players to "master" the scheme to the best of their abilities.

3) Angelo managed to acquire one of the only QBs that could make the offense look decent despite the lack of talent at WR and on the line. Thats the only thing I can think of because outside of Cutler, Forte, and maybe Chris Williams, there is a glaring lack of talent everywhere else on the offense. But yet, due to an offensive scheme that can succeed with no name WRs, and a lot of sacks are accepted, the offense has been at least average at times.

 

The offense is what kills my vision of Angelo. Look obviously the man has some philosophy about spending on WRs being inefficient. But I just cannot make any justification for his handling of the oline. He went 4-5 years without drafting any oline players in the first 5 rounds of the draft (jersey once put this together and explaining it well) and tried to fill his holes with either over the hill vets that were once good, or rejected FA scraps from other teams. Just doesn't make sense to commit to many resources for the franchise QB and then not make an effort to give him all the pieces he needs. Instead he gets the OC that supposedly can make an offense without good WRs and line succeed.

 

I don't necessarily hate what Angelo did (looking at his tenure as a whole), but I kind of agree with the quote that things were sort of stale. He did an ok job here but it is time to go a different direction and see what we get. I could see us making the playoffs, maybe getting to some conference title games, but unless a lot broke right, I don't see Angelo winning a super bowl here over the next few seasons. While its a big gamble, going a different direction might in fact be what we need.

[jersey cubs fan]

Rofl....Martz cited "philosophical differences"

 

"I wanna pass every down!"

 

"No."

 

"I'm gone."

 

Or:

 

I want competent players on my side of the ball.

 

No.

 

I'm gone.