Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[Banedon]

...as of Tuesday afternoon, Tice hadn't met with the organization to discuss replacing Martz, according to a source. The source said that if Tice isn't serious'y considered for the opening, some inside the building will campaign for a look at Jacksonville Jaguars offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Dirk Koetter, whose contract is up.

 

Koetter has worked as Jacksonville's offensive coordinator since 2007, and has also served as the head coach at Boise State (1998-2000) and Arizona State (2001-2006), where he built a reputation as an innovative offensive mind.

[SpongeWorthy]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-colts-christensen-likely-oc-candidate-for-bears-20120103,0,2665339.story

[UMFan83]

Sorry if this was posted already:

 

With the Chicago Bears and Mike Martz officially parting ways Tuesday, the team must move swiftly to secure yet another offensive coordinator for quarterback Jay Cutler and is expected to take a serious look at Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-colts-christensen-likely-oc-candidate-for-bears-20120103,0,2665339.story

[rawaction]

...as of Tuesday afternoon, Tice hadn't met with the organization to discuss replacing Martz, according to a source. The source said that if Tice isn't serious'y considered for the opening, some inside the building will campaign for a look at Jacksonville Jaguars offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Dirk Koetter, whose contract is up.

 

Koetter has worked as Jacksonville's offensive coordinator since 2007, and has also served as the head coach at Boise State (1998-2000) and Arizona State (2001-2006), where he built a reputation as an innovative offensive mind.

 

I don't understand why it just wouldn't be Tice. Cutler didn't want Martz, but they brought him in. After last year, he begged for more protection, they didn't bring anyone in. He all but begged for a big WR, they got him Roy Williams. He has been quoted as saying "you can't keep changing offenses" and that may be exactly what happens.

 

I don't know why they just can't stick with Tice. Stick with the current playbook and lingo, with some tweaks in protection and routes.. Get Cutler some weapons and then give this 1 more shot. If it fails next year, everyone's gone anyway. My main concern is not continuing to piss off the only talented QB this team has had in the last 70 years.

[Magnetic Curses]

i don't want to be running martz's offense without martz calling the plays and i doubt that tice wants it to be foisted upon him, either.

[rawaction]

The only thing besides Tice that makes any sense is if the GB guy comes in as GM and brings the Packers QB coach in with him. Billick is a terrible idea. Just like the Martz hiring. He's an offensive has-been.

[Magnetic Curses]

The only thing besides Tice that makes any sense is if the GB guy comes in as GM and brings the Packers QB coach in with him. Billick is a terrible idea. Just like the Martz hiring. He's an offensive has-been.

 

i want jay running the packers' offense in the worst way

[rawaction]

i don't want to be running martz's offense without martz calling the plays and i doubt that tice wants it to be foisted upon him, either.

 

Tice is from the Coryell tree also. Part of the issue with Martz was his play calling. Tice, I think, would know not to throw a screen on 1st and goal when you've run 3 times for 35 yards on the previous plays. Tice would know not to run a reverse to your slowest WR in the closing minutes of the game before the Superbowl.

[RynoRules]

oh jeez, are we going back to the days where everybody is going to obsess over the need for a tight end?

Considering the best offenses in the league today feature a dynamic TE(i.e. Finley, Graham, Gronkowski) yes, yes we are.

 

GB won the Superbowl without Finley last year, and he only had 750ish yards this year. The Giants, Steelers and Eagles were also top 10 offenses without dynamic TEs.

 

Not sure how you define "dynamic", but Celek and Ballard were both beasts this year. Miller less so, but he's steady/reliable and can hurt you if you vacate the short-middle because you are worried about the Wallace's and Brown's of the world.(see the Eagles game earlier this season).

 

That said, I think Kelen Davis could be a useful target in the right offense. He's not going to line-up in the slot like Finley does, but he's a big target.

 

That said, having a guy like Finley or Vernon Davis creates mismatches in the slot if you put a LB or S on them. They have to be covered in a zone or by a CB.

 

Ballard had 38 catches for 600 yards this year. I don't think that's dynamic. Those are Greg Olsen numbers (with more catches for Olsen). All TEs are mismatches vs. a LB. No LB could stop 6-7 Davis if used properly.

 

But still, that's icing on the cake. The cake is having WRs that can actually get open and make plays.

 

I don't agree with the statement in bold.

 

Perhaps calling Ballard and Celek beasts was a bit much in a general sense, but both have dominated games at different times this season when the match-up dictated. To your point, having a really good WR or two creates that scenario in the first place (Cruz and Nicks; Jackson and Maclin).

 

May be if we had WR's then Kellen Davis would be as productive as Ballard or Celek. But if we had a Gronkowski, Davis, Finley or even Aaron Hernandez, it would be even better, IMO.

[Banedon]

In case you wanted to hear what Lovie had to say:

 

"After meeting with Mike this afternoon, we both felt it was best to move in different directions," Smith said in a statement. "I appreciate the job he and Shane did for us over the last two years."

[cubbyvirus00]

I'm on board with keeping Lovie in place HAD Martz stayed.

 

But having to replace yet another OC while keeping Lovie for only one more year is stupid. No decent GM is going to want to take the job with the expectation for them to keep Lovie in place for 2+ seasons. This team needs a long-term OC for Cutler to prosper and it would be absolutely stupid to have a OC stopgap for one year.

 

The time to clean house is now with the GM and OC gone.

[Banedon]

I'm on board with keeping Lovie in place HAD Martz stayed.

 

But having to replace yet another OC while keeping Lovie for only one more year is stupid. No decent GM is going to want to take the job with the expectation for them to keep Lovie in place for 2+ seasons. This team needs a long-term OC for Cutler to prosper and it would be absolutely stupid to have a OC stopgap for one year.

 

The time to clean house is now with the GM and OC gone.

 

Love is under contract for 2012 and 2013 I believe.

[RynoRules]

I dunno why, but I just can't get my head around the idea that Tice has the wit to be an OC. I didn't think he was a very sharp HC.

[RynoRules]

I think Lovie should start looking over his shoulder...

[Magnetic Curses]

i don't want to be running martz's offense without martz calling the plays and i doubt that tice wants it to be foisted upon him, either.

 

Tice is from the Coryell tree also. Part of the issue with Martz was his play calling. Tice, I think, would know not to throw a screen on 1st and goal when you've run 3 times for 35 yards on the previous plays. Tice would know not to run a reverse to your slowest WR in the closing minutes of the game before the Superbowl.

 

ron turner is from the coryell tree, too, though. martz runs a drastically different version than anyone else does.

[rawaction]

Ballard had 38 catches for 600 yards this year. I don't think that's dynamic. Those are Greg Olsen numbers (with more catches for Olsen). All TEs are mismatches vs. a LB. No LB could stop 6-7 Davis if used properly.

 

But still, that's icing on the cake. The cake is having WRs that can actually get open and make plays.

 

I don't agree with the statement in bold.

 

Perhaps calling Ballard and Celek beasts was a bit much in a general sense, but both have dominated games at different times this season when the match-up dictated. To your point, having a really good WR or two creates that scenario in the first place (Cruz and Nicks; Jackson and Maclin).

 

May be if we had WR's then Kellen Davis would be as productive as Ballard or Celek. But if we had a Gronkowski, Davis, Finley or even Aaron Hernandez, it would be even better, IMO.

 

Nobody is disputing that having Gront, Davis or Finley would be ideal. But you can't tell me that Ballard and Celek are that much better than Kellen Davis. Davis is bigger than both and probably at least as fast. He just doesn't get used as much. Like jersey said, the need for a dynamic TE was overblown when Dez Clark was doing fine. And it's going to be done again because of the few that are out there.

[RynoRules]

Ballard had 38 catches for 600 yards this year. I don't think that's dynamic. Those are Greg Olsen numbers (with more catches for Olsen). All TEs are mismatches vs. a LB. No LB could stop 6-7 Davis if used properly.

 

But still, that's icing on the cake. The cake is having WRs that can actually get open and make plays.

 

I don't agree with the statement in bold.

 

Perhaps calling Ballard and Celek beasts was a bit much in a general sense, but both have dominated games at different times this season when the match-up dictated. To your point, having a really good WR or two creates that scenario in the first place (Cruz and Nicks; Jackson and Maclin).

 

May be if we had WR's then Kellen Davis would be as productive as Ballard or Celek. But if we had a Gronkowski, Davis, Finley or even Aaron Hernandez, it would be even better, IMO.

 

Nobody is disputing that having Gront, Davis or Finley would be ideal. But you can't tell me that Ballard and Celek are that much better than Kellen Davis. Davis is bigger than both and probably at least as fast. He just doesn't get used as much. Like jersey said, the need for a dynamic TE was overblown when Dez Clark was doing fine. And it's going to be done again because of the few that are out there.

 

He is certainly faster than Ballard. I honestly don't know about Celek.

 

In any case, I actually agree with you - we don't need a "great" TE. We do need at least one "great" WR. I think the Packers and Saints success has illustrated the value of providing a great QB with one or two or high-end weapons and three or four solid ones.

[JonJayCutler]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

[rawaction]

I'm on board with keeping Lovie in place HAD Martz stayed.

 

But having to replace yet another OC while keeping Lovie for only one more year is stupid. No decent GM is going to want to take the job with the expectation for them to keep Lovie in place for 2+ seasons. This team needs a long-term OC for Cutler to prosper and it would be absolutely stupid to have a OC stopgap for one year.

 

The time to clean house is now with the GM and OC gone.

 

Agreed. But it was stupid 2 years ago when Lovie was a lameduck coach and brought in Martz. That was the time to get a long-term OC. That's why I think Tice should get the job. He's a stopgap that doesn't cause any drastic changes. He doesn't make it 6 different offenses in 7 years if another lame duck is brought in. If Lovie stays and an outside OC is brought in, my guess is that means Lovie is here for the long haul, unless that OC is also being earmarked for the HC position in a year.

[SpongeWorthy]

Tice has that Flintstonian quality to him that scares me. He's well suited to the job he has now.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

 

Pass-happy is good. The Bears had the 9th most rushing attempts in the league.

 

Missing out on another year of Cutler in his prime was no blessing.

[davell]

This is going to get really interesting. If(God, we'd better) go outside the organization for a GM, would he promote Tice for one year? Then, if Lovie doesn't get us to the playoffs, bring in his entire new group of guys? That's kind of what I see happening, because why would an OC come here now, when it's obvious Lovie's going to be on the hot seat himself? Since a new head coach probably will want input on his staff. At any rate, I think we'll see an agressive approach, which is different than we've seen most years. Tons of cap room, not a lot of guys needing to be resigned, and even an extra 3rd round pick for a change.

[Magnetic Curses]

I'm on board with keeping Lovie in place HAD Martz stayed.

 

But having to replace yet another OC while keeping Lovie for only one more year is stupid. No decent GM is going to want to take the job with the expectation for them to keep Lovie in place for 2+ seasons. This team needs a long-term OC for Cutler to prosper and it would be absolutely stupid to have a OC stopgap for one year.

 

The time to clean house is now with the GM and OC gone.

 

Agreed. But it was stupid 2 years ago when Lovie was a lameduck coach and brought in Martz. That was the time to get a long-term OC. That's why I think Tice should get the job. He's a stopgap that doesn't cause any drastic changes. He doesn't make it 6 different offenses in 7 years if another lame duck is brought in. If Lovie stays and an outside OC is brought in, my guess is that means Lovie is here for the long haul, unless that OC is also being earmarked for the HC position in a year.

 

i can't disagree with your logic, and i DO think that lovie deserves more time to prove that he can win a super bowl. i definitely do not want to change up the defense in any way. it's just i think running someone else's offense is weird.

 

where is brad childress these days?

[SpongeWorthy]

I'm on board with keeping Lovie in place HAD Martz stayed.

 

But having to replace yet another OC while keeping Lovie for only one more year is stupid. No decent GM is going to want to take the job with the expectation for them to keep Lovie in place for 2+ seasons. This team needs a long-term OC for Cutler to prosper and it would be absolutely stupid to have a OC stopgap for one year.

 

The time to clean house is now with the GM and OC gone.

 

Agreed. But it was stupid 2 years ago when Lovie was a lameduck coach and brought in Martz. That was the time to get a long-term OC. That's why I think Tice should get the job. He's a stopgap that doesn't cause any drastic changes. He doesn't make it 6 different offenses in 7 years if another lame duck is brought in. If Lovie stays and an outside OC is brought in, my guess is that means Lovie is here for the long haul, unless that OC is also being earmarked for the HC position in a year.

 

i can't disagree with your logic, and i DO think that lovie deserves more time to prove that he can win a super bowl. i definitely do not want to change up the defense in any way. it's just i think running someone else's offense is weird.

 

where is brad childress these days?

 

Driving around in an unmarked white fan around elementary schools if I had to guess.

[Magnetic Curses]

Well I'll be damned if the Cutler injury wasn't a blessing in disguise. Likely scenario if he doesn't get hurt was a road playoff loss in New Orleans or Green Bay, everyone stays on for another year, and we go through the same pass-happy poor protection ordeal next year.

 

It's an exciting time to be a Cubs and Bears fan. Been stuck with Hendry and Angelo for the past 10 years, now are both fired within a few months of each other.

 

Pass-happy is good. The Bears had the 9th most rushing attempts in the league.

 

Missing out on another year of Cutler in his prime was no blessing.

 

yes. it is a passing league, what is everyone's fixation with going back to the days of the wing-t?