Mat Latos to Reds for Alonso and prospects

[mookie]

If we trade Garza for Rizzo we might as well tank the next 3 seasons.

 

Well, that just makes no sense.

[A New Era]

Watch Castro and Rizzo mature together and grow as the face of the Cubs? Yes please.

[Schwarber Fan]

If we trade Garza for Rizzo we might as well tank the next 3 seasons.

 

Well, that just makes no sense.

 

You got a 3B that needs to develop, a 1B that needs to develop, and the best pitchers in the rotation being old and on the decline. How can anyone say a team with a roster of

 

Soto

Rizzo

Barney

Castro

Stewart

Soriano

Byrd

DeJesus

 

Dempster

Zambrano

Wells

???

???

 

can complete? Even if they get Darvish, it's hard to see where the train is going.

[mookie]

Right, but that is 2012. I don't know why you are projecting similar lineups and rotations for 2013 and 2014.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Right, but that is 2012. I don't know why you are projecting similar lineups and rotations for 2013 and 2014.

 

 

That team is so bad that it's going to take several offseasons to fix it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dear Padres,

 

Your're not going to be good. Ever.

 

Sincerely, Major League Baseball

[dew1679666265]

What would the Padres have to add to a core of Rizzo/Headley for Garza to make it a good trade for the Cubs? And would San Diego do that?

 

I still tend to doubt that the Padres would have interest in Garza after giving up Latos, but it's interesting to think about.

[Little Slide Rooter]

What would the Padres have to add to a core of Rizzo/Headley for Garza to make it a good trade for the Cubs? And would San Diego do that?

 

I still tend to doubt that the Padres would have interest in Garza after giving up Latos, but it's interesting to think about.

 

Latos is younger ad maybe better than Garza, but they got a lot for him. Alonso may have a lower ceiling than Rizzo but they also got 2 young 1st rounders as well as Volquez, who could still have sometthing left.

 

We still owe the Padres something in the form of compensation, so if we did deal them Garza they could argue that Rizzo and Headley are enough and call the compensation issue squared up.

[davell]

I hate myself for even bringing this up, but if there ever was time for a 3 team trade, it's now. Pads send Rizzo to us, get Olt from Texas in return. Garza goes to Texas and we get Perez back from them. If not Perez, then we could get any 2 of Buckel, Ross, Ramirez, Scheppers. In the end though, a return of Rizzo and Perez for Garza would be pretty sweet, in my opinion.

[dew1679666265]

Latos is younger ad maybe better than Garza, but they got a lot for him. Alonso may have a lower ceiling than Rizzo but they also got 2 young 1st rounders as well as Volquez, who could still have sometthing left.

 

We still owe the Padres something in the form of compensation, so if we did deal them Garza they could argue that Rizzo and Headley are enough and call the compensation issue squared up.

 

Then I wouldn't trade them Garza. That's basically eliminating 1-2 high end prospects from our system (since we'd get more from another team), and there's no way compensation should be close to that. I have a feeling compensation for both Theo and Hoyer is going to be extremely minor - it doesn't even appear to be taken seriously by either side anymore.

[toonsterwu]

I feel like I'm missing something on Rizzo. It's not like he's Eric Hosmer, who has very few holes in his game and sparkling scouting reports. Rizzo needs a lot of work... He's young enough he could certainly figure it out, but the scouting reports I've seen were always kinda "meh" on his power until he started mashing in the PCL. He strikes out too much and runs too slowly to be much more than a .260 hitter (crazy .350+ BABIPs through the minors make his numbers look better than they should've). His walk rate is okay, but it's not particularly exciting either.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have guys like him in the system. But I'm just not sold on him as a guy we should be looking at as our potential opening day 1B.

 

All that is fair. I tend to think that Boston/San Diego prospects in recent years have become a bit over-rated (particularly this year and San Diego prospects ... it's gotten to the point where I sound like I have some bias against the Padres, but I don't. I just think that system is being over-rated quite a bit). I like Rizzo, don't love Rizzo. He certainly has to prove that he has more than just good power, and his swing is a bit long.

[toonsterwu]

Jim Bowden

Padres have interest in a package deal with the primary trade pieces being Anthony Rizzo and Matt Garza...should be interesting in Cubs view

 

This troubles me. Garza, IMO, should get a big return. I prefer an elite chip in return, and I'm not sure the Padres have an elite chip (not huge on Erlin or Wieland, who a lot of people seem to be loving this year, and I'm not sure Rizzo is elite). Maybe Sampson. I wouldn't mind giving up prospects for Rizzo, but unless they give us a crazy package (say, 4 prospects of our choosing), I'm just not huge on what we can land from the Padres. I mean, it would take something like Keyvius Sampson, Anthony Rizzo, and one to get me excited, and I'm not sure they do that.

[toonsterwu]

What would the Padres have to add to a core of Rizzo/Headley for Garza to make it a good trade for the Cubs? And would San Diego do that?

 

I still tend to doubt that the Padres would have interest in Garza after giving up Latos, but it's interesting to think about.

 

Now, I hadn't pondered Headley, but that would be an interesting idea. We could move Stewart to the OF, or trade Stewart (or Headley). I'd want a good young arm in that deal, though. I'd be a bit more open to something like that. I was thinking solely of a prospects for Garza deal.

 

I still think this Garza thing doesn't make that much sense for them (cost, and they aren't close to winning, on paper, right now), not when they are rumored to be shopping Headley for assets.

[toonsterwu]

I hate myself for even bringing this up, but if there ever was time for a 3 team trade, it's now. Pads send Rizzo to us, get Olt from Texas in return. Garza goes to Texas and we get Perez back from them. If not Perez, then we could get any 2 of Buckel, Ross, Ramirez, Scheppers. In the end though, a return of Rizzo and Perez for Garza would be pretty sweet, in my opinion.

 

Eh, Rizzo/Perez for Garza? I'd be lukewarm on that. I want an elite guy in return for Garza, or 3 really good guys at the very least. Rizzo has enough questions, IMO, and Perez looks more like a mid-rotation arm and some question his "pitch-ability", for lack of a better term. Very valuable, and add in the lefty premium, but still, I'd want better, ideally.

[Backtobanks]

I don't know some of these prospects from other teams as well as some of you, but trading Garza ought to get us a few prospects without questions being raised about them.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Agreed. IMHO, you don't trade Garza unless you're getting a can't-miss prospect in return. Rizzo isn't that. His ISOD is nice, but we're talking about a 1B with one amazing half-season in the PCL, an awful stretch in the majors, and a whole lot of meh in A and AA.

 

You don't trade a 28-year old Matt Garza--a legit #2 in the NL, still under team control for 2 more years--without hitting a homerun. The only two organizations that I think really make sense are the Yankees and Rangers, both because they each have elite-level prospects who are near major-league ready and because they each have needs in their starting rotations.

[KingCubsFan]

Right, but that is 2012. I don't know why you are projecting similar lineups and rotations for 2013 and 2014.

 

 

That team is so bad that it's going to take several offseasons to fix it.

1. Trade Garza and Marshall in three team deal for Rizzo, Perez, Olt + another prospect

2. Trade Marmol to Angels for Hank Conger + (pitchers like Garrett Richards and Daniel Tillman)

3. Trade Soto to Dodgers for Jerry Sands

 

4. Play out 2012

 

5. Sign Cole Hamels: 5/100

6. Sign John Danks 5/75

7. Sign Matt Cain 5/75

 

You head into 2013 with a rotation of Hamels, Cain, Danks, Perez and McNutt. Young cornerstones in Stewart/Olt, Castro, Rizzo, Jackson, Conger and Sands. If Stewart is good, you trade Olt for another outfielder. If he flames out, you have Olt. You now have one of the best rotation in the National League, along with one of the best young cores and still plenty of money to spend. The Cardinals get a year older, the Reds lose Votto, and the Brewers lose Greinke and Marcum.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Right, but that is 2012. I don't know why you are projecting similar lineups and rotations for 2013 and 2014.

 

 

That team is so bad that it's going to take several offseasons to fix it.

1. Trade Garza and Marshall in three team deal for Rizzo, Perez, Olt + another prospect

2. Trade Marmol to Angels for Hank Conger + (pitchers like Garrett Richards and Daniel Tillman)

3. Trade Soto to Dodgers for Jerry Sands

 

4. Play out 2012

 

5. Sign Cole Hamels: 5/100

6. Sign John Danks 5/75

7. Sign Matt Cain 5/75

 

You head into 2013 with a rotation of Hamels, Cain, Danks, Perez and McNutt. Young cornerstones in Stewart/Olt, Castro, Rizzo, Jackson, Conger and Sands. If Stewart is good, you trade Olt for another outfielder. If he flames out, you have Olt. You now have one of the best rotation in the National League, along with one of the best young cores and still plenty of money to spend. The Cardinals get a year older, the Reds lose Votto, and the Brewers lose Greinke and Marcum.

 

That offense scores 550 runs. Maybe the pitching can make that hold up, though.

[toonsterwu]

Agreed. IMHO, you don't trade Garza unless you're getting a can't-miss prospect in return. Rizzo isn't that. His ISOD is nice, but we're talking about a 1B with one amazing half-season in the PCL, an awful stretch in the majors, and a whole lot of meh in A and AA.

 

You don't trade a 28-year old Matt Garza--a legit #2 in the NL, still under team control for 2 more years--without hitting a homerun. The only two organizations that I think really make sense are the Yankees and Rangers, both because they each have elite-level prospects who are near major-league ready and because they each have needs in their starting rotations.

 

I'm still not too enthused with the idea of a Rangers package. For me, a prospect-only package from the Rangers almost has to have Profar for me to be excited about the deal. I'm just not excited about anyone else in that system as a possible headliner in a Garza trade. If it was more than a prospect-only package, that might be a different story, but I don't see the Rangers moving Holland or Andrus in a deal, and I'm not huge on Ogando.

[davell]

While I basically agree Danks gets 5/75 or so, if Cain or Hamels hits the open market, they're both going to be 150 mill type guys. 7 or 8 year deals.

[KingCubsFan]

While I basically agree Danks gets 5/75 or so, if Cain or Hamels hits the open market, they're both going to be 150 mill type guys. 7 or 8 year deals.

Yeah, I probably underestimated Cain. 7 or 8 year deals are pretty rare for pitchers though.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yeah Cain would be a complete moron to sign for 5/75

[Clem Fandango]

Holy crap I didn't realize Cain is only 27