D Backs to acquire Trevor Cahill for some guys

[Little Slide Rooter]

D'Backs Close To Acquiring Cahill, Breslow

By Mark Polishuk [December 9 at 4:02pm CST]

4:02pm: The deal is Cahill and Craig Breslow in exchange for Parker, Collin Cowgill and other prospects, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal says the trade is still "fluid" so more names could be involved.

 

3:42pm: The Diamondbacks are "closing in" on a trade with the Athletics that would send Trevor Cahill to Arizona in exchange for a prospect, reports John Gambadoro of Sports 620 KTAR in Phoenix (Twitter link). Gambadoro says the prospect isn't Trevor Bauer or Tyler Skaggs (Twitter links).

 

We heard yesterday from Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that Cahill had been mentioned in talks between the D'Backs and A's. Gio Gonzalez's name also came up between the two teams, with Rosenthal noting that the Snakes would need to deal Skaggs to get Gonzalez, but Cahill could be had for a lesser price. Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic mentioned yesterday that "it's believed that [the D'Backs] focus" was on Cahill and mentioned Jarrod Parker as a candidate to go to Oakland in the swap.

 

 

On one hand, I'm glad we didnt send the D Backs Garza if we wouldnt get Bauer or Skaggs but on the other hand, I wish we could have acquired Trevor Cahill for a reasonable price. I blame Ian Stewart and Jeff Bianchi. They threw a wrench in our entire offseason.

[Guest]

Cahill is more or less Randy Wells, and they get Parker by trading him and a 30 year old reliever? And they get Cowgill? And more players apparently? Yikes.

[MWV]

Seems like a good get for the A's.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Cahill is more or less Randy Wells, and they get Parker by trading him and a 30 year old reliever? And they get Cowgill? And more players apparently? Yikes.

 

 

never never never trade with Billy Beane. well, maybe not NEVER, but no, actually, never.

[Rob]

Cahill is more or less Randy Wells, and they get Parker by trading him and a 30 year old reliever? And they get Cowgill? And more players apparently? Yikes.

 

 

never never never trade with Billy Beane. well, maybe not NEVER, but no, actually, never.

 

Hendry actually did really well trading with Beane.

 

But yeah, Beane just destroyed Towers.

[davell]

Cahill is more or less Randy Wells, and they get Parker by trading him and a 30 year old reliever? And they get Cowgill? And more players apparently? Yikes.

I like Cahill quite a bit honestly. I know he doesn't K a bunch of guys, but he does get a lot of groundballs and he doesn't turn 24 until March. But good lord, they're getting Parker plus more? Don't get me wrong, Breslow is a solid second piece, but damn.......Maybe it's because Breslow has 2 years of control and Cahill has up to 6 years of control, after a 4 year 29 mill guarantee left on his current deal.

[davell]

Cahill is more or less Randy Wells, and they get Parker by trading him and a 30 year old reliever? And they get Cowgill? And more players apparently? Yikes.

I think they gave up way too much here, but I'm not going to compare Cahill to Wells. I know their stats are probably similar, but Cahill will be younger for the next couple of seasons than Wells was before he even made his debut in the bigs. Maybe if Wells hadn't caught for so long, I could see this as a good comp. But I do expect Cahill to still improve from here on out. But he's not worth Parker, not by any stretch.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Cahill is more or less Randy Wells, and they get Parker by trading him and a 30 year old reliever? And they get Cowgill? And more players apparently? Yikes.

I think they gave up way too much here, but I'm not going to compare Cahill to Wells. I know their stats are probably similar, but Cahill will be younger for the next couple of seasons than Wells was before he even made his debut in the bigs. Maybe if Wells hadn't caught for so long, I could see this as a good comp. But I do expect Cahill to still improve from here on out. But he's not worth Parker, not by any stretch.

 

I have to say, it seems that to a lot of people on this board if a finesse pitcher isn't Greg Maddux their automatically Randy Wells or worse, but there's plenty of room in between. I remember the same arguement against Jair Jurrjens, since he's not a stuff guy that we don't want him. I'd be happy to get either Cahill or Jurrjens and think either would be the 2nd best guy in our rotation, and that's not a knock on Dempster and Zambrano.

[dew1679666265]

I have to say, it seems that to a lot of people on this board if a finesse pitcher isn't Greg Maddux their automatically Randy Wells or worse, but there's plenty of room in between. I remember the same arguement against Jair Jurrjens, since he's not a stuff guy that we don't want him. I'd be happy to get either Cahill or Jurrjens and think either would be the 2nd best guy in our rotation, and that's not a knock on Dempster and Zambrano.

 

It's not that anyone flat out didn't want Jurrjens, it's that we didn't want to give up the type of package you give up for an elite or borderline elite pitcher - because he isn't that.

[TruffleShuffle]

Cahill is more or less Randy Wells, and they get Parker by trading him and a 30 year old reliever? And they get Cowgill? And more players apparently? Yikes.

I think they gave up way too much here, but I'm not going to compare Cahill to Wells. I know their stats are probably similar, but Cahill will be younger for the next couple of seasons than Wells was before he even made his debut in the bigs. Maybe if Wells hadn't caught for so long, I could see this as a good comp. But I do expect Cahill to still improve from here on out. But he's not worth Parker, not by any stretch.

 

I have to say, it seems that to a lot of people on this board if a finesse pitcher isn't Greg Maddux their automatically Randy Wells or worse, but there's plenty of room in between. I remember the same arguement against Jair Jurrjens, since he's not a stuff guy that we don't want him. I'd be happy to get either Cahill or Jurrjens and think either would be the 2nd best guy in our rotation, and that's not a knock on Dempster and Zambrano.

 

cahill's performance in 2010 was a babip (.236!) mirage. he outperformed his expected ERA by at least a full run. dempster is quite obviously a better pitcher than him in a luck-neutral world.

[NewUserName]

 

I have to say, it seems that to a lot of people on this board if a finesse pitcher isn't Greg Maddux their automatically Randy Wells or worse, but there's plenty of room in between. I remember the same arguement against Jair Jurrjens, since he's not a stuff guy that we don't want him. I'd be happy to get either Cahill or Jurrjens and think either would be the 2nd best guy in our rotation, and that's not a knock on Dempster and Zambrano.

 

my dad says almost the exact same thing when talking about Rick Porcello

[BCVM22]

Deal is official.

 

Arizona gets RHP Trevor Cahill, LHP Craig Breslow & cash.

 

Oakland gets RHPs Jarrod Parker & Ryan Cook & OF Collin Cowgill.

[NonProfitCow]

Cahill is more or less Randy Wells, and they get Parker by trading him and a 30 year old reliever? And they get Cowgill? And more players apparently? Yikes.

 

 

never never never trade with Billy Beane. well, maybe not NEVER, but no, actually, never.

It's not 2004

[pitchcs]

Cahill = Randy Wells? No

[StarlinOnYou]

Arizona is loaded. Absolutely loaded with SP.

 

I think this was a great trade for them. I look at it a bit differently.

 

Parker has a great arm, but I question his durability over a full MLB season. Cahill may not have the electric arm that Parker has, but at worst case he's a very good #3 starter and gives them great stability behind the two studs at the top.

 

Kennedy

Hudson

Cahill

 

And they still have Skaggs & Bauer on the way.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Cahill is more or less Randy Wells, and they get Parker by trading him and a 30 year old reliever? And they get Cowgill? And more players apparently? Yikes.

 

 

never never never trade with Billy Beane. well, maybe not NEVER, but no, actually, never.

It's not 2004

 

 

well, that trade seems to say he's back on it. its pretty damn one sided

[Guest]

Cahill = Randy Wells? No

 

Both have pitched for 3 seasons, although Wells' injury last year gives Cahill an edge in IP(583 to 500). Otherwise?

 

4.01 ERA, 105 ERA+, 1.34 WHIP, 6.0 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 1.0 HR/9, 4.24 FIP, 4.17 xFIP, .266/.325/.401/.726 line against

3.91 ERA, 107 ERA+, 1.32 WHIP, 5.5 K/9, 3.3 BB/9, 1.0 HR/9, 4.51 FIP, 4.23 xFIP, .253/.323/.399/.723 line against

 

 

I mean, how could they be any more similar?

[TruffleShuffle]

Cahill = Randy Wells? No

 

xFIP the last three years:

 

cahill:

2009 - 4.86

2010 - 3.99

2011 - 3.90

 

wells:

2009 - 4.18

2010 - 3.94

2011 - 4.45

 

obviously cahill is younger, but he's already got a mature body and his fastball velocity really hasn't changed in the past 3 years, so he probably is what he is (rather than a guy you'd expect to keep improving through his mid to late 20s). his babip-fueled 2010 and pitching half his games in an extreme pitcher's park have him pretty overvalued... he's much more an innings-eating mid-rotation guy that the #2 that many people think he is.

[NonProfitCow]

well, that trade seems to say he's back on it. its pretty damn one sided

He traded a 10 mil market guy for Jarrod Parker. Cowgill is meh. He maxes out as DeJesus.

 

Odds are he won the trade by trading an already league average pitcher for a league average pitcher with a couple years before arb. Not like he fleeced them though.

[Omar]

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[Little Slide Rooter]

Cahill = Randy Wells? No

 

xFIP the last three years:

 

cahill:

2009 - 4.86

2010 - 3.99

2011 - 3.90

 

wells:

2009 - 4.18

2010 - 3.94

2011 - 4.45

 

obviously cahill is younger, but he's already got a mature body and his fastball velocity really hasn't changed in the past 3 years, so he probably is what he is (rather than a guy you'd expect to keep improving through his mid to late 20s). his babip-fueled 2010 and pitching half his games in an extreme pitcher's park have him pretty overvalued... he's much more an innings-eating mid-rotation guy that the #2 that many people think he is.

 

Dammit we could have got Jerrod Parker for Randy Wells. Stupid Hoyerstein.

[Little Slide Rooter]

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So much for Billy approaching his players personally about trades as Moneyball suggests.

[SweetZombieJesus]

So in a year Trevor Cahill will be a ace and worth a king's ransom.

 

I mean last year's "OMG THEY OVERPAID FOR RANDY WELLS" was garza.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't think anyone ever compared Garza to Wells. The main comparison I remember was a RH Ted Lilly, though Lilly never really had Garzas stuff..

[jersey cubs fan]

Cahill = Randy Wells? No

 

Both have pitched for 3 seasons, although Wells' injury last year gives Cahill an edge in IP(583 to 500). Otherwise?

 

4.01 ERA, 105 ERA+, 1.34 WHIP, 6.0 K/9, 2.9 BB/9, 1.0 HR/9, 4.24 FIP, 4.17 xFIP, .266/.325/.401/.726 line against

3.91 ERA, 107 ERA+, 1.32 WHIP, 5.5 K/9, 3.3 BB/9, 1.0 HR/9, 4.51 FIP, 4.23 xFIP, .253/.323/.399/.723 line against

 

 

I mean, how could they be any more similar?

By not having a huge age difference or Randy wells sucking balls last year?