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The Cubs need hitters that make fewer outs. Power just simplifies the ability to score runs with fewer variables.

 

Fielder is the kind of hitter that does both, which is nice.

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On the whole, they've gotten worse this offseason from a 90 win pythagorean, and they aren't going to get 155 starts(155!!!!) from their top 5 starters again. I mean, it's not like the Nationals winning 90 games, but they aren't all that likely to break that threshold.

 

Does pythag in any way take into account strength of schedule or is it just a measure of expected wins by runs scored vs. allowed?

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On the whole, they've gotten worse this offseason from a 90 win pythagorean, and they aren't going to get 155 starts(155!!!!) from their top 5 starters again. I mean, it's not like the Nationals winning 90 games, but they aren't all that likely to break that threshold.

 

Does pythag in any way take into account strength of schedule or is it just a measure of expected wins by runs scored vs. allowed?

 

It's independent of SOS.

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Surprised this isn't getting more attention, then again it said the Marshall/Wood deal wasn't as close as expected about 2 hours before it went down.

 

That and it's David Kaplan

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If this is true, what are the chances that the organization has a realistic view of what it will do to revenues. If you want to put a Pirates product on the field and charge Cubs prices it would seem that you are looking at a major hit to the attendance numbers.

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I think I'm ok with this. Who know's what Theo's intentions were when he first got here. But after taking inventory he and Hoyer obviously feel this is the best way to go about builidng a consistent winner.
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I think I'm ok with this. Who know's what Theo's intentions were when he first got here. But after taking inventory he and Hoyer obviously feel this is the best way to go about builidng a consistent winner.

 

The question is, judging by what we have now in the big leagues and the farm, how long will it take to build a consistant winner? I know a lot of us grew up watching God awful temas, but that was before we got a taste of what it was like to root for a team that could actually win, and do it in more than 1 season at a time. Unless they push hard to acquire some top prospects and international guys like Cespedes and Solar, things are going to get ugly.

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I think I'm ok with this. Who know's what Theo's intentions were when he first got here. But after taking inventory he and Hoyer obviously feel this is the best way to go about builidng a consistent winner.

 

The question is, judging by what we have now in the big leagues and the farm, how long will it take to build a consistant winner? I know a lot of us grew up watching God awful temas, but that was before we got a taste of what it was like to root for a team that could actually win, and do it in more than 1 season at a time. Unless they push hard to acquire some top prospects and international guys like Cespedes and Solar, things are going to get ugly.

 

Exactly what I've been saying. Assuming everything goes right, I don't see a "decent" team until 2014. If a few things go wrong (Brett Jackson not delivering as hoped, missing out on the Cubans, Stewart not delivering, etc.), it could be ugly through 2015.

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Logan Morrison tweeted that his boy Prince is headed to Seattle. I'm not sure what's funnier, either him breaking news like that or trolling sports writers and everyone else.
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The way this off-season has gone makes perfect sense given what has been said all along by TR and Theo since he's been here. The "win now" rut that the club has been stuck in for the better part of a decade is not the answer. Many fans, here and other places have bemoaned the organization for not having built the system "the right way" from the bottom up. That work now has begun in earnest. A couple of years of waiting now is nothing compared to generations of disappointment.

 

From the outside looking in, I see TR and company setting up the franchise for a renaissance period the likes of which none of us has ever experienced. The front office is a dream team. The club has recently purchased additional land adjacent to the shrine. Makes perfect sense to pull back on immediate payroll spending if the team is going all in on tearing the thing down and starting over, both literally and figuratively. Personally I am expecting to hear news very soon of a plan to renovate Wrigley. Tear down the stands and rebuild the park while doing the same to the on-field team.

 

Pure speculation, but saving money on payroll during a period where attendance will be down during construction/ rejuvenation would make perfect sense. Take two years while rebuilding the ballpark, the product, and the brand. I love the concept if this is what is happening. Taking Ricketts' vision at face value leads me to believe this is exactly what is going on.

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The way this off-season has gone makes perfect sense given what has been said all along by TR and Theo since he's been here. The "win now" rut that the club has been stuck in for the better part of a decade is not the answer.

this is so incredibly stupid

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Surprised this isn't getting more attention, then again it said the Marshall/Wood deal wasn't as close as expected about 2 hours before it went down.

 

That and it's David Kaplan

I tried to start a thread on the Cubs Discussion board but it got locked.

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Surprised this isn't getting more attention, then again it said the Marshall/Wood deal wasn't as close as expected about 2 hours before it went down.

 

That and it's David Kaplan

 

I tried to start a thread on the Cubs Discussion board but it got locked.

 

Because its being discussed to some degree in virtually every thread.

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Logan Morrison tweeted that his boy Prince is headed to Seattle. I'm not sure what's funnier, either him breaking news like that or trolling sports writers and everyone else.

 

Good luck to him if he ever expects anyone to pitch to him. Last year, thee top 2 starters OPS were .738 and .719, and everyone else was well below .700 including Chone Figggins and his mind blowing .484. Oh yeah,the .719 belonged to Justin Smaok whose responsibilities would be assumed by Fielder.

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The way this off-season has gone makes perfect sense given what has been said all along by TR and Theo since he's been here. The "win now" rut that the club has been stuck in for the better part of a decade is not the answer.

this is so incredibly stupid

 

Glad you agree. Maybe you'd like to do a quick edit and add in something meaningful that makes your point look intelligent (whether it was your own idea or not).

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The way this off-season has gone makes perfect sense given what has been said all along by TR and Theo since he's been here. The "win now" rut that the club has been stuck in for the better part of a decade is not the answer. Many fans, here and other places have bemoaned the organization for not having built the system "the right way" from the bottom up. That work now has begun in earnest. A couple of years of waiting now is nothing compared to generations of disappointment.

 

The Cubs put a lot of effort into the farm system during parts of the MacPhail and Hendry regimes through the 2000s. We had a handful of really highly rated farm systems and actually produced some pretty high quality players from it - Zambrano, Cruz, Prior, Soto, Willis, Nolasco, Castro - and used it to acquire a couple of cornerstones in Aramis and DLee.

 

The Cubs have tried to win - which is a good thing - but at the same time haven't disregarded the farm system at the same time. The problem is, under Hendry they did a very poor job of targeting the right players - both in the majors and minors - and they never had a consistent philosophy they've stuck to for more than 1 or 2 seasons. The problem hasn't been a desire and effort to win each season, the problem has been how they've gone about trying to do it.

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The way this off-season has gone makes perfect sense given what has been said all along by TR and Theo since he's been here. The "win now" rut that the club has been stuck in for the better part of a decade is not the answer. Many fans, here and other places have bemoaned the organization for not having built the system "the right way" from the bottom up. That work now has begun in earnest. A couple of years of waiting now is nothing compared to generations of disappointment.

 

The Cubs put a lot of effort into the farm system during parts of the MacPhail and Hendry regimes through the 2000s. We had a handful of really highly rated farm systems and actually produced some pretty high quality players from it - Zambrano, Cruz, Prior, Soto, Willis, Nolasco, Castro - and used it to acquire a couple of cornerstones in Aramis and DLee.

 

The Cubs have tried to win - which is a good thing - but at the same time haven't disregarded the farm system at the same time. The problem is, under Hendry they did a very poor job of targeting the right players - both in the majors and minors - and they never had a consistent philosophy they've stuck to for more than 1 or 2 seasons. The problem hasn't been a desire and effort to win each season, the problem has been how they've gone about trying to do it.

 

This is exactly my point. They have developed some players and have acquired some premiere talent through trades involving prospects. Just not enough of them and not the right ones. They have relied on developing pitchers for the most part and have used that talent pool to acquire positional players (along with free agency, another area they have failed miserably). No one is saying that trying and failing is a bad thing. The problem is just as you say. The club to this point has not built the farm for overall and sustained development. They are looking to do that now under Rickett's tenure.

 

The farm is the rock from which powerhouses are built. The Cubs certainly have not been a great farm over the last decade. They have had some good prospects come through, but have not used them wisely. The Cubs have had a decent farm several times, but no one points to this organization as being a leading source of major league talent. Hopefully that is about to change.

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Another thing: if the plan is really to build for 2014 at the earliest, Soriano's got to go. He can still hit for power especially lefties and if we're willing to pay the entire salary, I think we could at least get some decent fringe guys. There's no point in keeping him around at this point, but then again if we eat the entire salary there's no reason that we should just cut him and let someone else pick him up for league minimum.

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