Joe Paterno

[Sosa21MVP]

I'm only on pg 9 of the thread, but have a question. Has anyone heard what Sandusky's presence on campus the last few years was? Its a bit different if he is having lunch and watching film with the coaching staff every week, vs letting himself in to walk on the indoor track or something once in a while. Maybe this is a minor point to some but if JoePa or the administration was seeing Sandusky on campus routinely or not seems significant to me.

 

Well according to Paul Posluszny (2003-2006) this morning he said Sandusky was still routinely on campus during his career. And of course those were the 4 years following the 2002 allegations. Could have sworn I had read that Sandusky was still using PSU's facilities up until about 2 weeks ago.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm only on pg 9 of the thread, but have a question. Has anyone heard what Sandusky's presence on campus the last few years was? Its a bit different if he is having lunch and watching film with the coaching staff every week, vs letting himself in to walk on the indoor track or something once in a while. Maybe this is a minor point to some but if JoePa or the administration was seeing Sandusky on campus routinely or not seems significant to me.

 

Well according to Paul Posluszny (2003-2006) this morning he said Sandusky was still routinely on campus during his career. And of course those were the 4 years following the 2002 allegations. Could have sworn I had read that Sandusky was still using PSU's facilities up until about 2 weeks ago.

 

yeah he was using the weight room or something.

[Derwood]

MY GOD, WHY WON'T THE JAGUARS FIRE PAUL POSZLUZNY?

[Sosa21MVP]

MY GOD, WHY WON'T THE JAGUARS FIRE PAUL POSZLUZNY?

 

:-k

[radarluv1]

I'm only on pg 9 of the thread, but have a question. Has anyone heard what Sandusky's presence on campus the last few years was? Its a bit different if he is having lunch and watching film with the coaching staff every week, vs letting himself in to walk on the indoor track or something once in a while. Maybe this is a minor point to some but if JoePa or the administration was seeing Sandusky on campus routinely or not seems significant to me.

 

Well according to Paul Posluszny (2003-2006) this morning he said Sandusky was still routinely on campus during his career. And of course those were the 4 years following the 2002 allegations. Could have sworn I had read that Sandusky was still using PSU's facilities up until about 2 weeks ago.

 

yeah he was using the weight room or something.

 

Its a huge campus, probably a few weight rooms. I guess what I really wonder is when the last time JoePa saw/talked to Sandusky. Is it plausible that he didnt realize Sandusky was on campus?

[Derwood]

MY GOD, WHY WON'T THE JAGUARS FIRE PAUL POSZLUZNY?

 

:-k

 

I thought we were demanding the firing of everyone who possibly knew something about Sandusky

[SouthSideRyan]

Why would Poszluzny know Sandusky was a serial rapist?

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm only on pg 9 of the thread, but have a question. Has anyone heard what Sandusky's presence on campus the last few years was? Its a bit different if he is having lunch and watching film with the coaching staff every week, vs letting himself in to walk on the indoor track or something once in a while. Maybe this is a minor point to some but if JoePa or the administration was seeing Sandusky on campus routinely or not seems significant to me.

 

Well according to Paul Posluszny (2003-2006) this morning he said Sandusky was still routinely on campus during his career. And of course those were the 4 years following the 2002 allegations. Could have sworn I had read that Sandusky was still using PSU's facilities up until about 2 weeks ago.

 

yeah he was using the weight room or something.

 

Its a huge campus, probably a few weight rooms. I guess what I really wonder is when the last time JoePa saw/talked to Sandusky. Is it plausible that he didnt realize Sandusky was on campus?

 

No.

[Sosa21MVP]

MY GOD, WHY WON'T THE JAGUARS FIRE PAUL POSZLUZNY?

 

:-k

 

I thought we were demanding the firing of everyone who possibly knew something about Sandusky

 

I thought I was just answering a simple question based on a radio interview I heard this morning.

Edited November 11, 2011 by Sosa21MVP

[Derwood]

Yeah, I know.

 

I'm a little burnt out on this particular story. Forgive my randomness

[TruffleShuffle]

Its a huge campus, probably a few weight rooms. I guess what I really wonder is when the last time JoePa saw/talked to Sandusky. Is it plausible that he didnt realize Sandusky was on campus?

 

i don't know what weight room he was using, but i doubt it was one of the student ones. i'd assume he used the football weight room, unless there's one for athletics staff. it's plausible that he didn't know sandusky was on campus that particular time, but there's no way he didn't know that sandusky was on campus (at least occasionally) after 2002.

[EhDubya]

Dan Connor was suspended back in 2005 for prank calling a "retired member of the Penn State family."

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05232/557150.stm

 

It was Joe Sarra, not Sandusky. But I'm sure that won't stop the conspiracy nuts, like anyone who infers Gricar was murdered as part of a coverup (he is most likely still alive).

 

Rabble rabble away!

[TruffleShuffle]

hahaha yeah i love the gricar thing. the timeline doesn't even make any sense. the first investigation was in 1998 or 1999 and there's no evidence that the 2002 incident was ever investigated. but all of a sudden someone is going to murder ray gricar over the sandusky investigation in 2005? remove the tin foil hat please.

[abuck1220]

don't ruin erik's fun. he is this close to cracking the case.

[Warpticon]

Dan Connor was suspended back in 2005 for prank calling a "retired member of the Penn State family."

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05232/557150.stm

 

It was Joe Sarra, not Sandusky. But I'm sure that won't stop the conspiracy nuts, like anyone who infers Gricar was murdered as part of a coverup (he is most likely still alive).

 

Rabble rabble away!

 

Not to get too far off the beaten path, but I would love to know your rationale for this.

[erik316wttn]

don't ruin erik's fun. he is this close to cracking the case.

 

To the Mystery Machine!

[TruffleShuffle]

i've been looking around for info on why mcqueary might still be employed, other than his "silence being bought." found a couple of items - one, psu may consider itself liable for punishing someone possibly protected by a federal whistleblower's act, where people can't be punished for blowing the whistle on criminal acts (although i'm not sure how much he "blew the whistle" by reporting the incident immediately and then not saying anything else about it until he was interviewed by detectives and/or prosecutors several years later). the other suggestion was that the state attorney general's office has asked psu to retain him, because if they fire him and he gets fed up and doesn't testify, they lose the prosecution of that victim, since the second-hand testimony of paterno would not be enough.

[EhDubya]

Dan Connor was suspended back in 2005 for prank calling a "retired member of the Penn State family."

 

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05232/557150.stm

 

It was Joe Sarra, not Sandusky. But I'm sure that won't stop the conspiracy nuts, like anyone who infers Gricar was murdered as part of a coverup (he is most likely still alive).

 

Rabble rabble away!

 

Not to get too far off the beaten path, but I would love to know your rationale for this.

 

Well, his personal computer at home had searches for "how to destroy a hard drive", "how to fry a hard drive", "hard drive under water" and "hard drive water damage". They found his laptop in the Susquehanna river missing its hard drive, and when they found his hard drive, it was unrecoverable. This was a guy who didn't want to be found. I know people in the SCPD that believe he is living in another country and others that believe he is in some type of Witness Security Program (he took down a 60 mil drug ring and was receiving many threats).

 

Anyway, just my opinion. He was a very weird man.

[wade]

i've been looking around for info on why mcqueary might still be employed, other than his "silence being bought." found a couple of items - one, psu may consider itself liable for punishing someone possibly protected by a federal whistleblower's act, where people can't be punished for blowing the whistle on criminal acts (although i'm not sure how much he "blew the whistle" by reporting the incident immediately and then not saying anything else about it until he was interviewed by detectives and/or prosecutors several years later). the other suggestion was that the state attorney general's office has asked psu to retain him, because if they fire him and he gets fed up and doesn't testify, they lose the prosecution of that victim, since the second-hand testimony of paterno would not be enough.

 

Those scenarios sound reasonable.

 

IF there's a second case surrounding administration and a potential coverup at some point, he sure seems like a likely witness for that as well - either for the prosecution or the defense- and it'd probably look bad for his employer to fire him.

 

They've decided he's off the field for Saturday and I think that was for sure needed.

[ConstableRabbit]

Pretty damning story for any JoePa/coaching staff apologists still out there:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

 

 

Instead of taking action to stop what he was watching, McQueary testified that he left immediately and told his father. The next morning, McQueary said, they went to see Paterno.

 

And what did McQueary say?

 

We don’t know. The grand jury presentment that has been given to the public, simply says that McQueary “reported what he had seen.”

 

According to Paterno’s testimony, McQueary told the coach he had witnessed Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature” to the boy.

 

Two days after the report was released, Paterno issued a statement saying he wanted to correct the impression left by the presentment.

 

Even though Paterno himself had told the grand jury that McQueary saw “something of a sexual nature,” Paterno said this week that he had stopped the conversation before it got too graphic. Instead, he told McQueary he would need to speak with his superior, Athletic Director Tim Curley, and with Schultz.

 

That meeting did not happen for 10 days.

[SouthSideRyan]

That timeline differs from everything that has been reported thus far. The story has always been that McQueary told Paterno on Saturday, Paterno to the AD on Sunday, AD to President 10 days later.

[wade]

That timeline differs from everything that has been reported thus far. The story has always been that McQueary told Paterno on Saturday, Paterno to the AD on Sunday, AD to President 10 days later.

 

It's consistent with other reports- I think you're thrown off by the "two days after the report" portion. That is referring to two days after the Grand Jury Indictment was made public, I think.

 

What is new to me is that it appears Paterno is trying to indicate that he stopped McQueary's story in his office with something along the lines of- "this is a big deal, you need to go to the A.D. I don't need to hear any more."

 

That's how I interpreted it.

[jersey cubs fan]

That timeline differs from everything that has been reported thus far. The story has always been that McQueary told Paterno on Saturday, Paterno to the AD on Sunday, AD to President 10 days later.

 

It's consistent with other reports- I think you're thrown off by the "two days after the report" portion. That is referring to two days after the Grand Jury Indictment was made public, I think.

 

What is new to me is that it appears Paterno is trying to indicate that he stopped McQueary's story in his office with something along the lines of- "this is a big deal, you need to go to the A.D. I don't need to hear any more."

 

That's how I interpreted it.

 

I thought the timeline was:

 

DDay = rape

DDay+1 = McQueary tells Paterno

DDay+2 = Paterno tells AD/Pres

DDay+12 = AD/Pres interview McQueary

 

This timeline appears to be similar until DDay + 2, as there is no Paterno tells anybody anything because he put his fingers in his ears and told McQueary to talk to the AD/Pres.

[Tracer Bullet]

That timeline differs from everything that has been reported thus far. The story has always been that McQueary told Paterno on Saturday, Paterno to the AD on Sunday, AD to President 10 days later.

 

It's consistent with other reports- I think you're thrown off by the "two days after the report" portion. That is referring to two days after the Grand Jury Indictment was made public, I think.

 

What is new to me is that it appears Paterno is trying to indicate that he stopped McQueary's story in his office with something along the lines of- "this is a big deal, you need to go to the A.D. I don't need to hear any more."

 

That's how I interpreted it.

 

Could be. Hard to say how well an 85-year-old remembers a conversation from 10 years ago.

 

If he stopped the discussion, it could also be bc he didn't want to know any more. Either protocol or cover his ass or whatever.

 

Doesn't really change anything though.

[SouthSideRyan]

This does differ from what the NY Times reported from the article I linked upthread.

 

A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno.