Joe Paterno

[Guest]

How could this go on for so long without anyone finding out?

 

I don't know when it started, probably as early as the 70's. But people found out about it in the 90's. Multiple people found out.

I guess that's what I mean. There is no plausible deniability by anyone at PSU.

[wolf stansson]

Hello sir, is there anything I can help you with? Show you the shoe section, maybe the hunting section? Oh! I know! Follow me, I'd like to show you our gun section where I will proceed to shoot you in your [expletive] face.

 

Jerry Sandusky, out and about, at a Dick's Sporting Goods YESTERDAY in full PSU gear: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-at-dicks-2011-11

[jersey cubs fan]

I think I've been to that Dick's!!!

 

 

Why is he out on bail? Isn't child rape one of those charges the prosecution tries to keep you locked up for?

[jersey cubs fan]

Is JoePa going to speak up about the idiot rioters?

[Derwood]

At what point do we start saying the local media is somewhat complicit as well? I've heard on a couple of shows today that many people in the local press have known this was going on for years, but said nothing for fear of losing their jobs.

[Guest]

Is JoePa going to speak up about the idiot rioters?

 

I thought I heard that he already did that this morning.

[SouthSideRyan]

At what point do we start saying the local media is somewhat complicit as well? I've heard on a couple of shows today that many people in the local press have known this was going on for years, but said nothing for fear of losing their jobs.

 

ANYONE who knew about this and didn't say a word are complicit.

[jersey cubs fan]

At what point do we start saying the local media is somewhat complicit as well? I've heard on a couple of shows today that many people in the local press have known this was going on for years, but said nothing for fear of losing their jobs.

 

that has been discussed by some media members. I heard it on the radio while driving back from bears/eagles, plus some others.

[wolf stansson]

The psychology/sociology behind the copout: http://www.menshealth.com/health/why-joe-paterno-didnt-call-police?cm_mmc=Twitter-_-MensHealth-_-Content-Health-_-JoePaternoDilemma

[XZero771679666304]

At what point do we start saying the local media is somewhat complicit as well? I've heard on a couple of shows today that many people in the local press have known this was going on for years, but said nothing for fear of losing their jobs.

 

that has been discussed by some media members. I heard it on the radio while driving back from bears/eagles, plus some others.

 

Of course if even the media knew, that makes the football staff and admin look much, much more guilty.

[TruffleShuffle]

really hope joe posnanski sees the light once he steps out of state college.

 

One of my favorite writers. I have a hard time seeing his side, but like you say, he's right in the middle of Penn State right now and like others he doesn't seem willing to put much on Paterno.

 

i know this is the common thread, that everyone in state college is blinded to things that everyone else can see, but there's another side to it - maybe people who are connected to him and to the program know more. if you really respect posnanski then maybe at least take a minute to try to understand his perspective rather than just writing it off as "whelp he's under the joepa spell too."

 

i was overzealous in my defense of paterno initially, but i still think that someone who has done 60 years of good deeds for a university deserves a proper investigation. if people want to say "he's the face of the program and the most important guy in town; if you're going to be the face of the program when things are going well then you have to be the same when things go bad," that's fine. but the "he enables child rapists and anyone who defends him whatsoever is also a child rapist enabler" attitude, i'm disappointed to see that from people i thought were better than that.

 

(in before "i thought you were better than to enable child rape")

[jersey cubs fan]

i know this is the common thread, that everyone in state college is blinded to things that everyone else can see, but there's another side to it - maybe people who are connected to him and to the program know more. if you really respect posnanski then maybe at least take a minute to try to understand his perspective rather than just writing it off as "whelp he's under the joepa spell too."

 

How the hell is Posnanski going to know the truth on this matter? He's there to write a fluff book on JoePa in time for next father's day, and that book is now worthless. I highly doubt he gained any knowledge of this situation before it all came crashing down. Look at his tweets. He's right there and barely even acknowledges that it happaned. This isn't the first time he's had a rather goofy take on things before taking a step back and realizing the errors of his ways. He was speaking to kids in joepa class anyway. He's surrounded by the passionate nutjob sycophants who can't think straight at all about the situation.

[wolf stansson]

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[jersey cubs fan]

but i still think that someone who has done 60 years of good deeds for a university deserves a proper investigation.

 

The victims deserved a proper investigation, but it was covered up and swept away by the powers that be in the football program, athletic department, university and State College.

 

Paterno attempted to bully the board into letting him stay because he has always been the most powerful figure there and the one with final say. But they finally stood up to him.

 

All they took away from him was the ability to coach a couple more games. That's all. And it was obviously the absolute right decision. They didn't ruin his reputation or legacy. The scandal, that he was a part of, did that.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Pos knows something that would vindicate Paterno, why wouldn't he say it? He's not even alluding to it. Him and the other "JoePa deserved better" crowd keep giving out platitudes about how he is Penn State and HOW DARE YOU FIRE HIM OVER THE PHONE, and all that he's done for the school, and the community etc.

 

If there's more to the story, then say it, if there's not, then they're just bowing at the feet of god-king Paterno, and crossing your fingers that some deus ex machina will come along leaving him pure and innocent in the end.

[TruffleShuffle]

If Pos knows something that would vindicate Paterno, why wouldn't he say it? He's not even alluding to it.

 

i don't think he has any information, and i don't think people have information that paterno knew about the 1998 investigation, or information about what he thought after he passed along the incident to curley and schultz. the impression i got was that he thought there should have been a proper investigation of what paterno knew or didn't know, not that he was saying paterno was innocent and should've been able to coach forever.

[jersey cubs fan]

If Pos knows something that would vindicate Paterno, why wouldn't he say it? He's not even alluding to it.

 

i don't think he has any information, and i don't think people have information that paterno knew about the 1998 investigation, or information about what he thought after he passed along the incident to curley and schultz. the impression i got was that he thought there should have been a proper investigation of what paterno knew or didn't know, not that he was saying paterno was innocent and should've been able to coach forever.

 

I impression I got was that he wanted to see Joe go out on his terms to help him write his book.

[erik316wttn]

At what point do we start saying the local media is somewhat complicit as well? I've heard on a couple of shows today that many people in the local press have known this was going on for years, but said nothing for fear of losing their jobs.

 

Um, aren't there all sorts of laws that would protect the person from termination (under threat of a serious lawsuit)?

[jersey cubs fan]

At what point do we start saying the local media is somewhat complicit as well? I've heard on a couple of shows today that many people in the local press have known this was going on for years, but said nothing for fear of losing their jobs.

 

Um, aren't there all sorts of laws that would protect the person from termination (under threat of a serious lawsuit)?

 

It would probably be more about losing access to the sports department than their jobs.

[wade]

really hope joe posnanski sees the light once he steps out of state college.

 

One of my favorite writers. I have a hard time seeing his side, but like you say, he's right in the middle of Penn State right now and like others he doesn't seem willing to put much on Paterno.

 

i know this is the common thread, that everyone in state college is blinded to things that everyone else can see, but there's another side to it - maybe people who are connected to him and to the program know more. if you really respect posnanski then maybe at least take a minute to try to understand his perspective rather than just writing it off as "whelp he's under the joepa spell too."

 

i was overzealous in my defense of paterno initially, but i still think that someone who has done 60 years of good deeds for a university deserves a proper investigation. if people want to say "he's the face of the program and the most important guy in town; if you're going to be the face of the program when things are going well then you have to be the same when things go bad," that's fine. but the "he enables child rapists and anyone who defends him whatsoever is also a child rapist enabler" attitude, i'm disappointed to see that from people i thought were better than that.

 

(in before "i thought you were better than to enable child rape")

 

I try to be one of the more careful posters on this board on the occasions I come here. Tell me where -

 

"he doesn't seem willing to put much on Paterno"

 

=

 

"whelp he's under the joepa spell too."

 

Posnanski's quotes in the Deadspin article come off as very pro-Paterno. He's writing a book about Paterno. I have taken way more than a minute to understand a writer that I look up to and try to emulate. I've also read Posnanski's blog post about it where he pretty much admits he can't think straight right now and needs time.

 

I get it, it's tough. And it's not like I was some anti-Penn State dude just waiting for them to slip up. I simply read the grand jury pdf and came to the conclusion that I've come to, and that is I don't care how awesome someone is, more needed to be done when he found out his friend did that.

 

I don't think Paterno does not deserve a proper investigation. He may have already had one and that's why he wasn't charged. But he sure needed to be fired in my opinion. And so does McQueary.

 

I fully admit I may be wrong, but that would take an unbelievable series of revelations proving that Paterno and McQueary did all they could have / should have. As of now the only revelations appear to continually be those that further demonstrate that the coaching staff and administration covered for their friend and their program.

 

I hope that either Posnanski soon sees enough to also come to that conclusion or that I'm proven wrong and that Paterno isn't the dirtbag I think he is. While I think the former is way more likely, it doesn't mean I'm derp derp he enables child rapists and anyone who defends him whatsoever is also a child rapist enabler.

[Guest]

..snip...

Not just because of this post, but you should post more often.

[TruffleShuffle]

sorry wade, i didn't mean for most of that to be directed at you. i just lumped some other stuff i was going to post into a response to your post.

[wade]

..snip...

Not just because of this post, but you should post more often.

 

Thanks. I'm trying. Theo's hire brought me back to daily (hourly?) check-ins. I've let this subject draw me in for some reason.

[wade]

sorry wade, i didn't mean for most of that to be directed at you. i just lumped some other stuff i was going to post into a response to your post.

 

And I think I knew that, I'm just always trying to be real careful about being inflammatory- especially given the sensitivity of this subject.

[Warpticon]

The part I just can't resolve is how Sandusky and McQueary have been just walking around campus for nearly a decade like nothing happened.