Jump to content
North Side Baseball

Yooooooooooooennis Cespedes: To Oakland pg 44

Rob
 Share
Guest

Guest

Guests
Posted
Posted

Someone at PSD posted ZiPS projections for Cespedes

 

Year 	BA 	OBP 	SLG 	HR 	RBI 	SB 	WAR
2012 	.270 	.331 	.435 	23 	86 	9 	3.3
2013 	.269 	.331 	.439 	23 	84 	9 	3.4
2014 	.267 	.330 	.435 	22 	83 	8 	3.2
2015 	.268 	.330 	.436 	22 	82 	8 	3.1
2016 	.264 	.327 	.428 	21 	79 	7 	2.8
2017 	.263 	.324 	.418 	19 	74 	6 	2.5
2018 	.259 	.320 	.402 	17 	66 	5 	1.9
2019 	.256 	.314 	.386 	13 	54 	4 	1.3

  • Replies 1.5k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

davell Chicago Cubs

davell

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
The ABTY guy does get a lot of credit at PSD, he's not Marlin, but I listen to what he's saying, at least. The dude on BCB? Unless Dunston lied to me on Twitter, he didn't even know himself, whether he was going to sign or not until early the last day, making this guy's report an educated guess, it would seem.
Guest

Guest

Guests
Posted
Posted

Ben Badler

@BenBadler Ben Badler

MLB has informed clubs that Yoenis Cespedes is now a free agent.

KingCubsFan ACL Cubs

KingCubsFan

Verified Member
Posted
Posted
Someone at PSD posted ZiPS projections for Cespedes

 

Year 	BA 	OBP 	SLG 	HR 	RBI 	SB 	WAR
2012 	.270 	.331 	.435 	23 	86 	9 	3.3
2013 	.269 	.331 	.439 	23 	84 	9 	3.4
2014 	.267 	.330 	.435 	22 	83 	8 	3.2
2015 	.268 	.330 	.436 	22 	82 	8 	3.1
2016 	.264 	.327 	.428 	21 	79 	7 	2.8
2017 	.263 	.324 	.418 	19 	74 	6 	2.5
2018 	.259 	.320 	.402 	17 	66 	5 	1.9
2019 	.256 	.314 	.386 	13 	54 	4 	1.3

That would put him in Adam Jones/BJ Upton territory. I'd take it.

Guest

Guest

Guests
Posted
Posted
I honestly don't see Theo/Jed spending $$ on him.

 

All signs point to you're wrong.

 

I suppose it's possible that McLeod's comments are all a smokescreen. As are all the visits they've made and talks they've had with the guy.

 

A smokescreen to what? That's for you to decide.

Clem Fandango All-Star

Clem Fandango

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Someone at PSD posted ZiPS projections for Cespedes

 

Year 	BA 	OBP 	SLG 	HR 	RBI 	SB 	WAR
2012 	.270 	.331 	.435 	23 	86 	9 	3.3
2013 	.269 	.331 	.439 	23 	84 	9 	3.4
2014 	.267 	.330 	.435 	22 	83 	8 	3.2
2015 	.268 	.330 	.436 	22 	82 	8 	3.1
2016 	.264 	.327 	.428 	21 	79 	7 	2.8
2017 	.263 	.324 	.418 	19 	74 	6 	2.5
2018 	.259 	.320 	.402 	17 	66 	5 	1.9
2019 	.256 	.314 	.386 	13 	54 	4 	1.3

 

That would put him in Adam Jones/BJ Upton territory. I'd take it.

 

There's a link somewhere in here, but one analyst (possibly using ZIPS projections) said that he best compares to Adam Jones, which is A-OK with me

 

My question is if we get Cespedes, what kind of shakeup is going to happen in the outfield? Because it presents a few issues:

 

1) Marlon Byrd will have to be moved, assuming the Cubs want to start Cespedes in the majors immediately. I personally don't see the appeal in paying a guy a MLB salary to start out in the minors when the season is a lost cause to begin with. Assuming they want him in the majors immediately, Byrd is likely on the move.

 

2) What becomes of Brett Jackson? Who is the better CF, defensively? Would Jackson or Cespedes move to a corner?

 

3) With DeJesus locked up for RF, the Cubs would need to ideally move Soriano whenever Jackson is ready for big league action. If they can't move him, do they platoon him with Jackson/Cespedes? I think it's silly to handicap the young talent that way, Soriano HAS to be dealt somehow in order for the new OF to maximize its potential.

 

4) Will this make Brett Jackson expendable? Does Theo and Co. see this as a way to move a valuable prospect for more pieces of the puzzle? We talked of Garza for Turner + Castellenos but it's been hazy. If Jackson is thrown in with Garza how much more of a possibility does that trade become? And does it mean we'll be able to to get more than those two if that is the desired target, i.e. will they include Crosby and/or Smyly as well considering Jackson is a valuable asset and not a throw in?

Guest

Guest

Guests
Posted
Posted

 

1) Marlon Byrd will have to be moved, assuming the Cubs want to start Cespedes in the majors immediately. I personally don't see the appeal in paying a guy a MLB salary to start out in the minors when the season is a lost cause to begin with. Assuming they want him in the majors immediately, Byrd is likely on the move.

 

 

McLeod has already said that ideally he'd get at least 100PA in the minors.

jersey cubs fan GOAT

jersey cubs fan

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
1) Marlon Byrd will have to be moved, assuming the Cubs want to start Cespedes in the majors immediately. I personally don't see the appeal in paying a guy a MLB salary to start out in the minors when the season is a lost cause to begin with. Assuming they want him in the majors immediately, Byrd is likely on the move.

 

2) What becomes of Brett Jackson? Who is the better CF, defensively? Would Jackson or Cespedes move to a corner?

 

3) With DeJesus locked up for RF, the Cubs would need to ideally move Soriano whenever Jackson is ready for big league action. If they can't move him, do they platoon him with Jackson/Cespedes? I think it's silly to handicap the young talent that way, Soriano HAS to be dealt somehow in order for the new OF to maximize its potential.

 

4) Will this make Brett Jackson expendable? Does Theo and Co. see this as a way to move a valuable prospect for more pieces of the puzzle? We talked of Garza for Turner + Castellenos but it's been hazy. If Jackson is thrown in with Garza how much more of a possibility does that trade become? And does it mean we'll be able to to get more than those two if that is the desired target, i.e. will they include Crosby and/or Smyly as well considering Jackson is a valuable asset and not a throw in?

 

I wouldn't assume he starts in the majors. But Byrd has been a huge candidate to be moved all offseason and will remain so until he's actually gone. Brett Jackson on a corner may lose a lot of value, I like the idea of being able to include him in a deal if it helps them get what they want. If you dump Soriano and Byrd before July there's going to be plenty of space for everybody that needs to play. DeJesus isn't a longterm asset by any measure, so he's probably a good candidate to be flipped if they do end up stockpiling OF and keeping Jackson.

Clem Fandango All-Star

Clem Fandango

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted

 

1) Marlon Byrd will have to be moved, assuming the Cubs want to start Cespedes in the majors immediately. I personally don't see the appeal in paying a guy a MLB salary to start out in the minors when the season is a lost cause to begin with. Assuming they want him in the majors immediately, Byrd is likely on the move.

 

 

McLeod has already said that ideally he'd get at least 100PA in the minors.

 

And it wouldn't shock me if he did, that's just my personal opinion. One way or the other, Byrd is gonna go

Tracer Bullet Knoxville Smokies

Tracer Bullet

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
Someone at PSD posted ZiPS projections for Cespedes

 

Year 	BA 	OBP 	SLG 	HR 	RBI 	SB 	WAR
2012 	.270 	.331 	.435 	23 	86 	9 	3.3
2013 	.269 	.331 	.439 	23 	84 	9 	3.4
2014 	.267 	.330 	.435 	22 	83 	8 	3.2
2015 	.268 	.330 	.436 	22 	82 	8 	3.1
2016 	.264 	.327 	.428 	21 	79 	7 	2.8
2017 	.263 	.324 	.418 	19 	74 	6 	2.5
2018 	.259 	.320 	.402 	17 	66 	5 	1.9
2019 	.256 	.314 	.386 	13 	54 	4 	1.3

 

Sorry this is off topic by why the f do they include rbi in a projection?

jersey cubs fan GOAT

jersey cubs fan

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted

 

1) Marlon Byrd will have to be moved, assuming the Cubs want to start Cespedes in the majors immediately. I personally don't see the appeal in paying a guy a MLB salary to start out in the minors when the season is a lost cause to begin with. Assuming they want him in the majors immediately, Byrd is likely on the move.

 

 

McLeod has already said that ideally he'd get at least 100PA in the minors.

 

And it wouldn't shock me if he did, that's just my personal opinion. One way or the other, Byrd is gonna go

 

You don't see the appeal of having a guy dip his toe in the North American professional baseball waters? Top draft picks sign huge deals with MLB sized salaries and start in the minors all the time. For one, you delay his service time which would mean when his contract is up, he won't be a free agent.

Clem Fandango All-Star

Clem Fandango

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted

 

1) Marlon Byrd will have to be moved, assuming the Cubs want to start Cespedes in the majors immediately. I personally don't see the appeal in paying a guy a MLB salary to start out in the minors when the season is a lost cause to begin with. Assuming they want him in the majors immediately, Byrd is likely on the move.

 

 

McLeod has already said that ideally he'd get at least 100PA in the minors.

 

And it wouldn't shock me if he did, that's just my personal opinion. One way or the other, Byrd is gonna go

 

You don't see the appeal of having a guy dip his toe in the North American professional baseball waters? Top draft picks sign huge deals with MLB sized salaries and start in the minors all the time. For one, you delay his service time which would mean when his contract is up, he won't be a free agent.

 

I see your point, my mistake. For some reason, I keep forgetting he'll be considered a "prospect" because he's 26. His International Fa signing is no different than when we signed Castro, and I keep forgetting about that since he's looked at as a FA like Prince Fielder or Pujols has been. Keeps slipping my mind his signing is in the same boat as other foreign prospects.

ctcf Cooperstown

ctcf

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted

lol whut

 

Jesse Sanchez @JesseSanchezMLB

"@JoeFrisaro: Hearing Cespedes has no issues against playing for #Marlins"~What Joe said. Reports had them early (and reigning?) favorites.

Guest

Guest

Guests
Posted
Posted
haha

 

Why would he have an issue playing for the Marlins? Too close to Cuba or something?

 

It was reported earlier today that he isn't really interested in playing for them. So this would be a counter to that report.

 

Why he wouldn't? No idea.

treebird All-Star

treebird

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted
haha

 

Why would he have an issue playing for the Marlins? Too close to Cuba or something?

 

It was reported earlier today that he isn't really interested in playing for them. So this would be a counter to that report.

 

Why he wouldn't? No idea.

 

i'll bet cespedes was a big expos fan

ctcf Cooperstown

ctcf

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted

Maybe he just doesn't want to wear those uniforms.

 

And for what it's worth (not much):

 

Brett Taylor @BleacherNation

RT @JimBowdenESPNxm There are at least four teams that are "in" on Yoenis Cespedes in this order: 1. Cubs 2. Marlins 3. Orioles 4. White Sox

ctcf Cooperstown

ctcf

Old-Timey Member
Posted
Posted

More from Goldstein:

 

Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein

Yes. Top 30. RT @The_Beer_Baron_: @Kevin_Goldstein Cespedes: 5 Star Prospect? Where would he be in your top 100?

 

Kevin Goldstein @Kevin_Goldstein

Wait until Cubs sign him? They're the favorite, but that's it. RT @The_Beer_Baron_: @Kevin_Goldstein above/below Brett Jackson?

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing
The North Side Baseball Caretaker Fund
The North Side Baseball Caretaker Fund

You all care about this site. The next step is caring for it. We’re asking you to caretake this site so it can remain the premier Cubs community on the internet. Included with caretaking is ad-free browsing of North Side Baseball.

Become a Caretaker

  • Member Statistics

    6,793
    Total Members
    13,056
    Most Online
    Kevin OBrien
    Newest Member
    Kevin OBrien
    Joined
×
×
  • Create New...