MLB expanding replay?

[erik316wttn]

Selig says that MLB may expand replay for fair/foul calls and trapped balls for the 2012 season.

 

Still not perfect, but a step in the right direction.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/10/24/bud.selig.replay.ap/index.html?sct=mlb_t2_a14

[pitchcs]

What would be perfect replay, everything?

[Banedon]

I won't be happy until a K-zone style system replaces the home plate ump at calling balls/strikes.

[brinoch]

I won't be happy until a K-zone style system replaces the home plate ump at calling balls/strikes.

 

And Skynet controlling our nukes and defensive systems, amiright?

[erik316wttn]

What would be perfect replay, everything?

 

It would be nice if calls on the bases could be reviewable.

[bcl412]

I think they could do something similar to the NFL and have challenges and then in the 9th inning and extra innings they could then have every close call reviewed or something.

 

It's weird that MLB doesn't have replay as most of the calls that take place on a baseball diamond are pretty black and white as opposed to other sports where calls are more open to interpretation.

[CubmanPi]

What would be perfect replay, everything?

 

It would be nice if calls on the bases could be reviewable.

I'd even settle for first base and home plate only.

[XZero771679666304]

I won't be happy until a K-zone style system replaces the home plate ump at calling balls/strikes.

 

That will never happen, nor am I sure I would want it to.

 

What would be a workable solution would be to install such systems so that the umpire's strike zone accuracy and consistency could be tracked and policed.

[El Duderino]

I won't be happy until a K-zone style system replaces the home plate ump at calling balls/strikes.

 

That will never happen, nor am I sure I would want it to.

 

What would be a workable solution would be to install such systems so that the umpire's strike zone accuracy and consistency could be tracked and policed.

 

I'm pretty sure that's been happening for years. QuesTec or something?

[XZero771679666304]

I won't be happy until a K-zone style system replaces the home plate ump at calling balls/strikes.

 

That will never happen, nor am I sure I would want it to.

 

What would be a workable solution would be to install such systems so that the umpire's strike zone accuracy and consistency could be tracked and policed.

 

I'm pretty sure that's been happening for years. QuesTec or something?

 

That was only in a few stadiums and it wasn't for long. And no one has been policing them. I'm thinking of a more comprehensive system.

[erik316wttn]

I won't be happy until a K-zone style system replaces the home plate ump at calling balls/strikes.

 

That will never happen, nor am I sure I would want it to.

 

What would be a workable solution would be to install such systems so that the umpire's strike zone accuracy and consistency could be tracked and policed.

 

I'm pretty sure that's been happening for years. QuesTec or something?

 

I very much doubt any sort of disciplinary action is in place for bad umpires. I say that because there are still bad umpires.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yes to automated balls and strikes, no to replay.

[Banedon]

I won't be happy until a K-zone style system replaces the home plate ump at calling balls/strikes.

 

That will never happen, nor am I sure I would want it to.

 

What would be a workable solution would be to install such systems so that the umpire's strike zone accuracy and consistency could be tracked and policed.

 

Home plate umpire variability is one of the most annoying parts about baseball to me.

[erik316wttn]

I won't be happy until a K-zone style system replaces the home plate ump at calling balls/strikes.

 

That will never happen, nor am I sure I would want it to.

 

What would be a workable solution would be to install such systems so that the umpire's strike zone accuracy and consistency could be tracked and policed.

 

Home plate umpire variability is one of the most annoying parts about baseball to me.

 

This x1000.

[Guest]

Yes to automated balls and strikes, no to replay.

 

Explain your terrible position.

[Guest]

I don't even understand why there need to be challenges or why there's concern over slowing the game down (as if getting the call wrong is a better solution, anyway). Usually, we know the call is bad before the next pitch even happens. It wouldn't be hard to have an extra "umpire" somewhere with a bunch of TVs or a computer with a bunch of different angles on every play and being able to see when a call is missed practically immediately.

[Careless]

I won't be happy until a K-zone style system replaces the home plate ump at calling balls/strikes.

 

That will never happen, nor am I sure I would want it to.

 

What would be a workable solution would be to install such systems so that the umpire's strike zone accuracy and consistency could be tracked and policed.

 

I'm pretty sure that's been happening for years. QuesTec or something?

 

That was only in a few stadiums and it wasn't for long. And no one has been policing them. I'm thinking of a more comprehensive system.

An improved camera system to monitor umpires’ calls of balls and strikes will be used in all 30 major league stadiums starting opening day [2009], ending the contentious QuesTec era but expanding the scope of baseball’s oversight program.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/sports/baseball/01umpires.html

[CubColtPacer]

Yes to automated balls and strikes, no to replay.

 

Explain your terrible position.

 

I'm questionable about expanded replay because of the logistical issues. For example,

 

Runner coming around 3rd for home. Batter gets tagged out at 2nd base for 3rd out. Replay shows he's safe. Does the runner score? Does he go back to 3rd?

 

Same scenario but the guy is thrown out at home with runners advancing behind him. Do the runners get the extra base or not?

 

Ball was ruled foul off batters bat but replay shows it was fair. Does the batter get a single? A double? Where do the runners on base go?

 

Ball was ruled a catch but replay shows it was a trap. Does the runner get a single? A double? Where do the runners go?

 

Football really only has this type of play once (fumble recovery/interception that was initially ruled no good). Baseball would have these thorny issues all the time. It would seem a lot would have to be left to umpire's discretion, and I might rather have a few calls be wrong than let the umpires be deciding who goes where all the time.

[Banedon]

So you would rather have the incorrect call rather than have to sort out situations like that? I'd much rather rely on the umpire to be a judge of the rules than a witness to an event. I trust his memory of the rulebook more than his eyes on a "blink and you miss it" play.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yes to automated balls and strikes, no to replay.

 

Explain your terrible position.

 

Sports are entertainment. I find more value in an always immediate, usually accurate call than a usually immediate, always accurate call.

 

I hate it in football when you don't know how to react to any close play because of the possibility of a two-minute review.

 

I hated that long period in hockey when you couldn't get excited about any goal because half of them were going to be called back.

 

I'd rather deal with the occasional bad call than have the life sucked out of so many key plays.

[Guest]

Yes to automated balls and strikes, no to replay.

 

Explain your terrible position.

 

Sports are entertainment. I find more value in an always immediate, usually accurate call than a usually immediate, always accurate call.

 

I hate it in football when you don't know how to react to any close play because of the possibility of a two-minute review.

 

I hated that long period in hockey when you couldn't get excited about any goal because half of them were going to be called back.

 

I'd rather deal with the occasional bad call than have the life sucked out of so many key plays.

 

Fair enough. If your fundamental position is so vastly different from mine (entertainment taking precedence over the accuracy of the result, at least to some extent), I can't really argue with you about it.

[CubColtPacer]

So you would rather have the incorrect call rather than have to sort out situations like that? I'd much rather rely on the umpire to be a judge of the rules than a witness to an event. I trust his memory of the rulebook more than his eyes on a "blink and you miss it" play.

 

I don't think they'll be able to define it using a rulebook. The rule will have to end up being that the umpire will use his best judgement to determine where the runners would have ended up if the play was different. That's what they already have to do on fan interference calls. That then will usually cause an argument by whichever manager doesn't get the benefit of the call. Suddenly you have a several minute break in the action and while you now know the original call was right, you have no idea if the call on where to send the runners was right. If it was something that happened rarely like it was in football, then the benefit of replay would outweigh that. But this would be an issue on many, many replay calls.

 

I'll give another scenario to something I wouldn't want to see:

 

Runners on 1st and 2nd, 2 out. 3 and 2 count. Runners run and there is a ground ball up the middle. 2nd baseman stops it and throws to 1st while runners are rounding the bases. Batter is called out and he is safe on replay. Do the umpires let the run score? The 1st baseman could quite possibly have thrown the runner out, but he could quite easily have scored as well. There's no real fair way to decide that.

[jersey cubs fan]

Fair enough. If your fundamental position is so vastly different from mine (entertainment taking precedence over the accuracy of the result, at least to some extent), I can't really argue with you about it.

 

That's not fair enough. His stance on football players is absurd. You don't know how to react to a play? Oh shut up. You react to the play and call that you see. Who the hell just sits there and ponders whether he should cheer because of the possibility that the review guy will summon the ref to take a look and overturn it? That's moronic.

[jersey cubs fan]

The 1st baseman could quite possibly have thrown the runner out, but he could quite easily have scored as well. There's no real fair way to decide that.

 

Yes there is. You overturn the bad out call and leave the bases loaded. That's fair, because a bad out call that clearly screws a team over gets overturned but the would he or wouldn't he discussion isn't the same.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fair enough. If your fundamental position is so vastly different from mine (entertainment taking precedence over the accuracy of the result, at least to some extent), I can't really argue with you about it.

 

That's not fair enough. His stance on football players is absurd. You don't know how to react to a play? Oh shut up. You react to the play and call that you see. Who the hell just sits there and ponders whether he should cheer because of the possibility that the review guy will summon the ref to take a look and overturn it? That's moronic.

 

If Devin Hester does a nifty sideline dance to avoid a defender and steps very close to the line, I want to be able to go nuts when he reaches the end zone and the officials raise their hand. I don't want to be thinking "That was cool but I don't know if it's going to count!"