What players do we actually want to keep off current roster?

[C.C.]

Yea... If I were a pro-athlete, I gotta admit, I'd probably treat the fans like [expletive].

 

 

There was a story where Jay Cutler was taking a piss at some club, and some guy (the guy who told the story on the radio himself) went up to him and said to him something to the effect of, "Oh my God, Jay! I went to school with you at Vandy! We had xxx class together."

 

Cutler just looked up at the ceiling and said, "DON'T CARE!"

 

 

That's pretty much what I would do.

 

Exactly. Don't bug me while I'm taking a [expletive] piss for god sakes. If you can't take a leak in peace it would piss you off.

[UMFan83]

Yea... If I were a pro-athlete, I gotta admit, I'd probably treat the fans like [expletive].

 

 

There was a story where Jay Cutler was taking a piss at some club, and some guy (the guy who told the story on the radio himself) went up to him and said to him something to the effect of, "Oh my God, Jay! I went to school with you at Vandy! We had xxx class together."

 

Cutler just looked up at the ceiling and said, "DON'T CARE!"

 

 

That's pretty much what I would do.

 

Exactly. Don't bug me while I'm taking a [expletive] piss for god sakes. If you can't take a leak in peace it would piss you off.

 

LOL! That likes me like Jay more. I can imagine this guy all excitedly coming up to him, not even a big football fan just happy to bump into a former Vandy guy, who happens to be famous. I would prefer that celebrities not hide their true personality and just be a stuck up dick if that's what you are.

 

I remember that story almost a year about involving Quentin Tarrantino and that idiot girl from the PR firm that he was hitting on, and the story she wrote keeps casually mentioning how Jamie Foxx is with them when they leave the bar and go to Q's house, etc. And Foxx never says a word to her or even acknowledges her presence for the entire time he is around them, which seems like it was for several house, at a party, on a long car ride, and at Q's house.

[mul21]

Yea... If I were a pro-athlete, I gotta admit, I'd probably treat the fans like [expletive].

 

 

There was a story where Jay Cutler was taking a piss at some club, and some guy (the guy who told the story on the radio himself) went up to him and said to him something to the effect of, "Oh my God, Jay! I went to school with you at Vandy! We had xxx class together."

 

Cutler just looked up at the ceiling and said, "DON'T CARE!"

 

 

That's pretty much what I would do.

 

Exactly. Don't bug me while I'm taking a [expletive] piss for god sakes. If you can't take a leak in peace it would piss you off.

 

LOL! That likes me like Jay more. I can imagine this guy all excitedly coming up to him, not even a big football fan just happy to bump into a former Vandy guy, who happens to be famous. I would prefer that celebrities not hide their true personality and just be a stuck up dick if that's what you are.

 

I remember that story almost a year about involving Quentin Tarrantino and that idiot girl from the PR firm that he was hitting on, and the story she wrote keeps casually mentioning how Jamie Foxx is with them when they leave the bar and go to Q's house, etc. And Foxx never says a word to her or even acknowledges her presence for the entire time he is around them, which seems like it was for several house, at a party, on a long car ride, and at Q's house.

 

I hope you're posting from a really shitty phone, because if you're not, you're nearing hccf status with the typos.

[SABR Gamer]

It's peak vs career. Ramirez can never match Edmonds's peak. The classic lifelong heel seeing the light and turning good, helping lead those he fought against for so long to the promised land.

 

Exactly.

 

I freaking LOVED Edmonds and I loved that team. So Sad.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The more I look at it, the problem going forward is that the Cubs didn't have many really awful players sucking up playing time this year. Maybe Colvin and Grabow. There just aren't any spots where you can point to and say "We can get a ton of marginal wins by getting rid of that guy and replacing him with someone good."

[Guest]

The more I look at it, the problem going forward is that the Cubs didn't have many really awful players sucking up playing time this year. Maybe Colvin and Grabow. There just aren't any spots where you can point to and say "We can get a ton of marginal wins by getting rid of that guy and replacing him with someone good."

 

 

Except in the starting rotation.

[El Duderino]

coleman/davis/russell is death

[SouthSideRyan]

The more I look at it, the problem going forward is that the Cubs didn't have many really awful players sucking up playing time this year. Maybe Colvin and Grabow. There just aren't any spots where you can point to and say "We can get a ton of marginal wins by getting rid of that guy and replacing him with someone good."

 

Are you [expletive] kidding me?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The more I look at it, the problem going forward is that the Cubs didn't have many really awful players sucking up playing time this year. Maybe Colvin and Grabow. There just aren't any spots where you can point to and say "We can get a ton of marginal wins by getting rid of that guy and replacing him with someone good."

 

Are you [expletive] kidding me?

 

Nope. Part of it is that I was looking at Fangraphs, which actually kind of liked Casey Coleman this year (better FIP than Zambrano).

[illiniguy]

The more I look at it, the problem going forward is that the Cubs didn't have many really awful players sucking up playing time this year. Maybe Colvin and Grabow. There just aren't any spots where you can point to and say "We can get a ton of marginal wins by getting rid of that guy and replacing him with someone good."

 

Are you [expletive] kidding me?

Yeah where could we possibly get better, oh everywhere but SS and 3B.

[hardcorecubfan]

Why should Byrd be gone?

 

Why not?

Because he's not expensive, he's a league-average player, there's nobody waiting at the gates internally to take his roster spot, and he's not here long-term anyway?

Thing about Byrd is his defense and he is a nice trade mid-season to a contending team for some decent prospects that would help rebuild the farm.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The more I look at it, the problem going forward is that the Cubs didn't have many really awful players sucking up playing time this year. Maybe Colvin and Grabow. There just aren't any spots where you can point to and say "We can get a ton of marginal wins by getting rid of that guy and replacing him with someone good."

 

Are you [expletive] kidding me?

Yeah where could we possibly get better, oh everywhere but SS and 3B.

 

We had 2+ WAR players at 1b, 2b, C and CF as well.

[Guest]

What percentage of its games is a team full of replacement players supposed to win? Following that, how many games would a team with 2 WAR players at every position win in theory?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What percentage of its games is a team full of replacement players supposed to win? Following that, how many games would a team with 2 WAR players at every position win in theory?

 

Fangraphs has a replacement level team at 48 wins. If you got 2 WAR each out of the eight positions and five rotation spots, that'd be 74 wins. Add a few more for the bullpen and bench, so that's about a .500 team.

[Guest]

The more I look at it, the problem going forward is that the Cubs didn't have many really awful players sucking up playing time this year. Maybe Colvin and Grabow. There just aren't any spots where you can point to and say "We can get a ton of marginal wins by getting rid of that guy and replacing him with someone good."

 

Are you [expletive] kidding me?

 

Nope. Part of it is that I was looking at Fangraphs, which actually kind of liked Casey Coleman this year (better FIP than Zambrano).

 

 

I know this is quick and dirty but does Fangraphs really like Russell, Davis, Lopez, and Ortiz too? Because they combined to start a lot of games.

 

Team record by starting pitcher

CUBS are 18-16 when Dempster starts
CUBS are 13-11 when Zambrano starts
CUBS are 16-15 when Garza starts
CUBS are 11-12 when Wells starts
CUBS are 1-0 when Cashner starts
CUBS are 4-13 when Coleman starts
CUBS are 0-5 when Russell starts
CUBS are 1-8 when Davis starts
CUBS are 7-9 when Lopez starts
CUBS are 0-2 when Ortiz starts

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I know this is quick and dirty but does Fangraphs really like Russell, Davis, Lopez, and Ortiz too? Because they combined to start a lot of games.

 

It loved Davis (3.86 FIP, 0.6 WAR), hated Russell, and considered Lopez and Ortiz about replacement level (4.77 FIP, -0.2 WAR). All told, it considered the conglomeration to be exactly replacement level.

[Guest]

I know this is quick and dirty but does Fangraphs really like Russell, Davis, Lopez, and Ortiz too? Because they combined to start a lot of games.

 

It loved Davis (3.86 FIP, 0.6 WAR), hated Russell, and considered Lopez and Ortiz about replacement level (4.77 FIP, -0.2 WAR). All told, it considered the conglomeration to be exactly replacement level.

 

 

Which means they were pretty [expletive] terrible as far as I understand.

 

I don't really know that I want ~30 starts out of a replacement level starter.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Which means they were pretty [expletive] terrible as far as I understand.

 

I don't really know that I want ~30 starts out of a replacement level starter.

 

Well, neither do I, but we're trying to get from 71 wins to 90, and replacing a conglomeration of replacement level with a 4-WAR pitcher may be the only big chunk we can easily get. It'd be nice if there were a few more 3 and 4 WAR players on the roster and a few more 0-WAR holes to fill around them.

[Guest]

Is there any way to derive splits from WAR... or to find them?

 

Like, could we project Starlin of August and Sept to a full season just for shits and giggles?

[SouthSideRyan]

I know this is quick and dirty but does Fangraphs really like Russell, Davis, Lopez, and Ortiz too? Because they combined to start a lot of games.

 

It loved Davis (3.86 FIP, 0.6 WAR),

 

LOL

[dew1679666265]

I'm going to have to be convinced that Kelly Johnson is a better option than Darwin Barney.

 

2011 stats

Johnson: 2.2 WAR/.316 wOBA/29 years old at start of 2012 season

Barney: 2.2 WAR/.296 wOBA/26 years old at start of 2012 season

 

Johnson did post a 5.9 WAR last year, but was at .8 in 2009, 2.7 in 2008, and 3.6 in 2007. He's a better offensive player than Barney, but worse defensively and will be significantly more expensive (even if we can get him relatively cheap for an offense-first 2B). Johnson has also pretty much topped off on his upside, while Barney might get a tick or two better offensively.

[A New Era]

Let Epstein handle this mess. But considering we are now, FINALLY, building for the future, with the long term in mind.

 

Castro is about the only one that should be part of the next "core". Players like Soto, Byrd, Marshall, Garza, etc. . who probably have some decent trade value should go IF you get a pretty good young talent in return. Otherwise let them stay on the roster to field a "competitive" team.

 

Players like Jackson and Cashner should not be traded considering they are of the age that will fit into this next "core" group. Ofcourse again if there is a net gain you trade.

 

Let Epstein figure out the rest of this mess, IE: the players that are overpaid and you ain't getting nothin for.

[dew1679666265]

Castro is about the only one that should be part of the next "core". Players like Soto, Byrd, Marshall, Garza, etc. . who probably have some decent trade value should go IF you get a pretty good young talent in return. Otherwise let them stay on the roster to field a "competitive" team.

 

How long do you think we'll be non-competitive? Garza's only turning 28 next year and Marshall is around 30. Unless the next time we have a "core" together is 4-5 years from now, both of those players can easily be a part of the next core.

 

And Garza will have far more than decent trade value. He was one of the better pitchers in the majors this year, I'd only trade him if I got a huge amount in return.

[davearm2]

Lots of talk in here about needing to find another good arm to round out the rotation. Curious if anyone would be in favor of giving Marshall a crack at it. If nothing else, Epstein will surely realize he's more valuable as a starter -- assuming he can remain effective and handle the innings workload. Perhaps he could be CJ Wilson-lite.

[Guest]

Marshall has never cracked 135 IP in a season, and a big reason for that is he kept coming down with minor injuries as a starter. Sure, he might be able to fill a role, but he's put up 5 WAR the last two years. Given that he's far from a guarantee to be a success as a starter, I think it's a big stretch to say that moving him to the rotation would end up being a net positive.