Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[Little Slide Rooter]

Take it for what it's worth, but an AL GM not affiliated with the Red Sox expects Bud Selig to grant the Sox "significant" player compensation for Theo in order to deter future movement of executives who have time left on their contracts.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/cafardo-on-dodgers-ethier-red-sox-cubs-orioles.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

If someone said it it must be true.

[Geech]

A number of lunatics at SOSH seem to believe that Castro is not only reasonable but plausible compensation for the Epstein hiring. I hope there are some nice meltdowns over there when the compensation is announced.

[Rob]

A number of lunatics at SOSH seem to believe that Castro is not only reasonable but plausible compensation for the Epstein hiring. I hope there are some nice meltdowns over there when the compensation is announced.

 

That right there is a special type of moron.

 

Short of giving up Ellsbury, the Red Sox probably don't have enough in their entire farm system to trade for Castro. He's one of the single most valuable assets in all of baseball. That's so far above and beyond "significant compensation" it'd be like somebody stuffing the winning powerball ticket in your hand to pay you back for picking up the bill at dinner.

[Brian]

Yeah Bud is going to take the 22 year old face of an organization away for this :lol:

[UMFan83]

Good to see that idiot homer Cafardo has gotten the dumb Red Sox fans overly excited about compensation they aren't going to get again. I was worried that I wasn't going to enjoy the schadenfreude over at SoSH after the compensation or lack there of is announced.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Maybe I'm in the minority in thinking that the Sox will get something of value. Won't be Castro, Garza or Jackson, probably not even Szczur or McNutt. My guess is a decent pitching prospect like Rhee, Antigua, Wells, or Beeler as well as either a young guy or else a big league or big league ready guy like Baker, J. Jax, or Russell. Junior Lake is probably the absolute high end of what they'll get.

 

This doesn't mean that I think that they deserve it, which they really don't but they did make an agreement and Selig will make something happen.

[bukie]

Again, the precedent has been set several times before. This precedent is either:

 

1) Monetary compensation, and no player compensation (when the Red Sox took Duquette)

2) A low A roster filler, prospect rank ~30 (MacPhail...to the Cubs from the Twins)

 

Anything beyond that is totally out of line and re-establishes a precedent Selig isn't going to want to set.

[Little Slide Rooter]

But if the two teams had initially agreed that they would be compensated with talent and not cash, whether it was in writing or not Selig will probably enforce that. I guess it all depends on the exact wording of the agreement, which there must have been. I think this is more what it will come down to, and not setting a precedent. I'd think that if anyone had more compensation coming it would be the Padres. I don't know how much time Hoyer had left on his contract, but he did take a lateral move rather than a promotion.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Padres aren't run by a bipolar weirdo though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Again, the precedent has been set several times before. This precedent is either:

 

1) Monetary compensation, and no player compensation (when the Red Sox took Duquette)

2) A low A roster filler, prospect rank ~30 (MacPhail...to the Cubs from the Twins)

 

Anything beyond that is totally out of line and re-establishes a precedent Selig isn't going to want to set.

 

Precedent is the standard the Cubs want to use.

 

Verbal agreement of "significant" is what the Red Sox are arguing.

 

With Selig? Who knows who he'll agree with.

[davell]

Selig pushed the deal through, so I highly doubt he's going to "punish" the Cubs over this. It has to be looked at the same way other cases were previously, then maybe add a tad more to that. To me, it's no different than looking at trading for a player with one year left on his deal. We're paying Theo close to 4 mill a year, so his value should be appraised accordingly to that, just as TangoTiger said. So, what's one year of a decent set up guy worth?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Again, the precedent has been set several times before. This precedent is either:

 

1) Monetary compensation, and no player compensation (when the Red Sox took Duquette)

2) A low A roster filler, prospect rank ~30 (MacPhail...to the Cubs from the Twins)

 

Anything beyond that is totally out of line and re-establishes a precedent Selig isn't going to want to set.

 

Precedent is the standard the Cubs want to use.

 

Verbal agreement of "significant" is what the Red Sox are arguing.

 

With Selig? Who knows who he'll agree with.

 

The problem with the term "significant" is that it is a very broad one. Some might see it as meaning a top prospect. It could also be argued that it means a big league ready middle reliever or utility player.

[davell]

Theo's in Boston for some Charity event and said he doesn't know if compensation will be resolved by camp. Someone just tweeted Selig's just begun working on it and no decision is imminent. Personally, I think this could be a hold up to potential trades, as it could decide part of a package of what we may target.

[SouthSideRyan]

Theo's in Boston for some Charity event and said he doesn't know if compensation will be resolved by camp. Someone just tweeted Selig's just begun working on it and no decision is imminent. Personally, I think this could be a hold up to potential trades, as it could decide part of a package of what we may target.

 

I'm starting to think they're going to give us compensation

[Soul]

Theo's in Boston for some Charity event and said he doesn't know if compensation will be resolved by camp. Someone just tweeted Selig's just begun working on it and no decision is imminent. Personally, I think this could be a hold up to potential trades, as it could decide part of a package of what we may target.

 

I'm starting to think they're going to give us compensation

 

I don't know what there is to "work on." Selig's not going to scour our system for players. I think he has a few other things to work on, like running the league.

[davell]

It's pretty interesting to see how Selig handles it. According to an article from today, both teams sent Selig a list of acceptable players for the compensation. No idea how many players deep the lists go, but my guess is both are pretty large, with all sorts of scenarios attached to them. If anything, I could see Selig taking a player off the bottom of Boston's list and maybe a player off the top of the Cubs list as well, to settle it.

[davearm2]

I don't know what there is to "work on." Selig's not going to scour our system for players. I think he has a few other things to work on, like running the league.

Seriously. If Bud Selig is going to roll up his sleeves and start grading the Cubs' minor leaguers, and placing values on them, then we should all be worried.

[ctcf]

Great Theo story from this morning's Bleacher Nation article:

 

There was the time in 2002 when Epstein had his Latin American scouting director buy up every room in the small hotel in Nicaragua where then free agent Jose Contreras was staying while negotiating with the Red Sox and Yankees as a free agent.

 

“We were smoking cigars with Contreras and drinking rum until about 4 o’clock in the morning,” Epstein said. “He told us he always wanted to be a Red Sox, and then the next morning the Yankees offered him about $10 million more.”

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/02/01/dont-get-in-a-free-agent-fight-with-the-yankees-and-other-bullets/

[Little Slide Rooter]

Great Theo story from this morning's Bleacher Nation article:

 

There was the time in 2002 when Epstein had his Latin American scouting director buy up every room in the small hotel in Nicaragua where then free agent Jose Contreras was staying while negotiating with the Red Sox and Yankees as a free agent.

 

“We were smoking cigars with Contreras and drinking rum until about 4 o’clock in the morning,” Epstein said. “He told us he always wanted to be a Red Sox, and then the next morning the Yankees offered him about $10 million more.”

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2012/02/01/dont-get-in-a-free-agent-fight-with-the-yankees-and-other-bullets/

 

Long story short: don't waste your time courting the guy, it's all about the money.

[Backtobanks]

Theo's in Boston for some Charity event and said he doesn't know if compensation will be resolved by camp. Someone just tweeted Selig's just begun working on it and no decision is imminent. Personally, I think this could be a hold up to potential trades, as it could decide part of a package of what we may target.

 

I don't think there are too many trades at this time because everybody is heading to spring training. Also, I would think Selig would have to update any compensation on whether the player is property of the Cubs at the time of the decision.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Here's a thought. The Red Sox seem to really want another big league starter but don't want to pay for one. Would people be opposed to sending them Dempster rather than prospects? Needless to say, I'd expect to get something in return, but being a lost season, I'd rather give up Dempster than McNutt or Lake, if it were to come down to that. We already have plenty of rotation options, including the newly signed Rowland-Smith.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Here's a thought. The Red Sox seem to really want another big league starter but don't want to pay for one. Would people be opposed to sending them Dempster rather than prospects? Needless to say, I'd expect to get something in return, but being a lost season, I'd rather give up Dempster than McNutt or Lake, if it were to come down to that. We already have plenty of rotation options, including the newly signed Rowland-Smith.

 

I think that the problem is that even if we pay for Dempster, his salary still counts for their luxury tax quota.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Ace/Brett over at bleachernation.com is reporting that multiple sources have told him that Vitters is in the discussion in the compensation talks.

 

I know a lot of people don't love Vitters, but that's a lot higher up the scale than we are hoping to give up.

[Clem Fandango]

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Vitters, but he has the upside and potential to be a prospect sweetener to throw in for potential future deals. I wouldn't be terribly disappointed to see him go, but he actually has some value within the organization so it would still sting, if only slightly.

[ctcf]

Too much.