Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[Guest]

No it's mythical value. His value is whatever the Cubs are paying him and what his worth as a tradable asset. The logic might be sound but it's a projection.

 

In theory a GM's value is related to the production of the players on the field. Theo's track record is pretty good. It would seem to me his or any other GMs value to an organization is much greater than any minor leaguer. But that's just me.

 

water is much more valuable to sustaining human life, but yet diamonds cost more.

Which one is the GM and which one is the player? Scarcity isn't relevant in that way. How many people can excel at general managing a big market ball club? Again, I'm not saying it has to be Theo.

 

Or to use the prevailing logic, how many Trey McNuts can a GM produce over the couse of five years?

[PrimeTime]

Appearently we haven't talked to anyone from San Diego

 

# Hoyer told Marty Caswell of XX1090 Sports Radio that he's not going to comment on media speculation (Twitter links). "I'm excited about what we continue to build here in San Diego," he said.

# The Cubs haven't asked for permission to talk to any Padres executives, according to Dan Hayes of the North County Times (Twitter link).

[Vinestal]

Appearently we haven't talked to anyone from San Diego

 

# Hoyer told Marty Caswell of XX1090 Sports Radio that he's not going to comment on media speculation (Twitter links). "I'm excited about what we continue to build here in San Diego," he said.

# The Cubs haven't asked for permission to talk to any Padres executives, according to Dan Hayes of the North County Times (Twitter link).

Actually the last official thing I read said that as of the end of the season they hadn't asked for permission to speak to anyone, but it's been a while and since then they havent been able to get an official response from anyone. The Hoyer quote is the freshest thing Ive seen and its really not very telling.

[ScrubMD]

No it's mythical value. His value is whatever the Cubs are paying him and what his worth as a tradable asset. The logic might be sound but it's a projection.

 

In theory a GM's value is related to the production of the players on the field. Theo's track record is pretty good. It would seem to me his or any other GMs value to an organization is much greater than any minor leaguer. But that's just me.

 

water is much more valuable to sustaining human life, but yet diamonds cost more.

Which one is the GM and which one is the player? Scarcity isn't relevant in that way. How many people can excel at general managing a big market ball club? Again, I'm not saying it has to be Theo.

 

Or to use the prevailing logic, how many Trey McNuts can a GM produce over the couse of five years?

 

Scarcity is relevant. There are only 30 GM jobs. There are probably 2-3 openings his off season. There are dozens of candidates. There are about 4-5 that are equal or near equal to Theo.

 

There are many prospects but you can have multiple prospects and the more good ones you have, the better.

[C.C.]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

[ScrubMD]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

 

Friedman, Beane, Cashman

 

Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent.

 

EDIT: I was specifically thinking of Friedman, Beane, Cherington, Byrnes, and Atlanta guy

Edited October 18, 2011 by ScrubMD

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

 

Friedman, Beane, Cashman

 

Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent.

 

I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt.

[Guest]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

 

Friedman, Beane, Cashman

 

Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent.

 

I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt.

So they are working for free then? Some of those guys will require compensation too.

[ScrubMD]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

 

Friedman, Beane, Cashman

 

Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent.

 

I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt.

So they are working for free then? Some of those guys will require compensation too.

 

Theo would be making more than 13

[ScrubMD]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

 

Friedman, Beane, Cashman

 

Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent.

 

I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt.

 

Which is why I included "near equal" and only said 4-5, you ignorant SOB. I hope you die.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

 

Friedman, Beane, Cashman

 

Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent.

 

I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt.

So they are working for free then? Some of those guys will require compensation too.

 

I'm working under the assumption that you could get the ones without a current GM job for about $1 million a year for the next five years. We are proposing to pay $18.5 million for Epstein over the next five years.

Edited October 18, 2011 by Hairyducked Idiot

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm really in awe of the mental gymnastics try to justify why the Cubs shouldn't be willing to trade any minor league player for a difference maker like Epstein.

 

I don't think Kyle has argued that we shouldn't trade any minor leaguer for Epstein. His argument is that we shouldn't trade a top 50 prospect who is within 1-2 years of reaching the majors for Epstein. And I agree.

 

It's not even 1-2 years. If McNutt stays a Cub and stays healthy, he will be in the majors this year. I'd bet money on it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

Which is why I included "near equal" and only said 4-5, you ignorant SOB. I hope you die.

 

I was agreeing with you.

[SouthSideRyan]

No it's mythical value. His value is whatever the Cubs are paying him and what his worth as a tradable asset. The logic might be sound but it's a projection.

 

In theory a GM's value is related to the production of the players on the field. Theo's track record is pretty good. It would seem to me his or any other GMs value to an organization is much greater than any minor leaguer. But that's just me.

 

So if we were trading for Ed Wade and they demanded McNutt, we should give in in?

[Bull]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

 

Friedman, Beane, Cashman

 

Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent.

 

I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt.

 

Which is why I included "near equal" and only said 4-5, you ignorant SOB. I hope you die.

 

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I'm pretty sure that ignorant SOB just agreed with you.

[SouthSideRyan]

It was still really funny, no matter how much Kyle is owning this thread.

[Guest]

No it's mythical value. His value is whatever the Cubs are paying him and what his worth as a tradable asset. The logic might be sound but it's a projection.

 

In theory a GM's value is related to the production of the players on the field. Theo's track record is pretty good. It would seem to me his or any other GMs value to an organization is much greater than any minor leaguer. But that's just me.

 

So if we were trading for Ed Wade and they demanded McNutt, we should give in in?

 

I don't know, how many Trey McNutt's can he be expected to produce based on his track record?

[SouthSideRyan]

And I'm done here.

[FergieJ31]

Friedman + McNutt + $millions >> Theo

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

And I'm done here.

 

Horsedookie. Thread needs to get to 150 by midnight with maybe 2-4 pieces of relevant news and no end in sight.

[ScrubMD]

 

Which is why I included "near equal" and only said 4-5, you ignorant SOB. I hope you die.

 

I was agreeing with you.

 

When has that ever stopped someone from wanting you to die?

[ScrubMD]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

 

Friedman, Beane, Cashman

 

Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent.

 

I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt.

 

Which is why I included "near equal" and only said 4-5, you ignorant SOB. I hope you die.

 

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I'm pretty sure that ignorant SOB just agreed with you.

 

It was what is known in the comedy world as an intentional over-reaction

[Vinestal]

I want to just stay away from this thread till after the World Series but then I would miss the pages and pages of hard hitting analysis.

[Tracer Bullet]

Which ones are equal to Theo?

 

Friedman, Beane, Cashman

 

Possibly Byrnes, Hoyer, Atlanta guy, Cherington, and the Tampa assistant that's supposed to be really good, Hahn to a lesser extent.

 

I don't consider that entire list equal, but I consider every one of them to be at least the equal of Epstein + $13 million (in extra salary) plus McNutt.

So they are working for free then? Some of those guys will require compensation too.

 

I think it's the dismissive tone mixed with wrongness that make it so great.

[Guest]

And I'm done here.

You ask a stupid question and you get a stupid answer.

 

If the Cubs thought Wade was what they are looking for and he was under contract, the answer is yes. But the question is absurd.

 

I don't think there is an apples to apples comparison here. I don't think you can value trades the way they are typically valued. Cashman and Beane would require similar compensation. Freedman doesn't have a contract, but I would think there would be something asked for and each would command a similar salary. The rest would be a hope for the best.

 

The Ricketts family must value Theo pretty highly as they haven't walked away.