bears game six, vikings at home on sunday night

[jersey cubs fan]

I guess my impression of Marshall isn't a Calvin Johnson type - who I would consider "un-coverable". And with the way the O-line is, the CJ WR type is the kind you would have to have in order to make up the difference in how bad the line is.

 

I'd love to have a true #1 WR, but I want a responsible trade for Marshall if it were to happen.

 

My impression is that while he isn't as good as Johnson, he is the same type of receiver.

[Magnetic Curses]

I guess my impression of Marshall isn't a Calvin Johnson type - who I would consider "un-coverable". And with the way the O-line is, the CJ WR type is the kind you would have to have in order to make up the difference in how bad the line is.

 

I'd love to have a true #1 WR, but I want a responsible trade for Marshall if it were to happen.

 

My impression is that while he isn't as good as Johnson, he is the same type of receiver.

 

as i said, i don't see much of a difference other than that johnson can jump a little higher and marshall is a bit more physical. marshall seems to be a bit more of a possession receiver as well and isn't used quite so much in the red zone for some reason.

[jersey cubs fan]

I guess my impression of Marshall isn't a Calvin Johnson type - who I would consider "un-coverable". And with the way the O-line is, the CJ WR type is the kind you would have to have in order to make up the difference in how bad the line is.

 

I'd love to have a true #1 WR, but I want a responsible trade for Marshall if it were to happen.

 

My impression is that while he isn't as good as Johnson, he is the same type of receiver.

 

as i said, i don't see much of a difference other than that johnson can jump a little higher and marshall is a bit more physical. marshall seems to be a bit more of a possession receiver as well and isn't used quite so much in the red zone for some reason.

 

Johnson seems to be more sane, tough and dependable.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I guess my impression of Marshall isn't a Calvin Johnson type - who I would consider "un-coverable". And with the way the O-line is, the CJ WR type is the kind you would have to have in order to make up the difference in how bad the line is.

 

I'd love to have a true #1 WR, but I want a responsible trade for Marshall if it were to happen.

 

My impression is that while he isn't as good as Johnson, he is the same type of receiver.

 

as i said, i don't see much of a difference other than that johnson can jump a little higher and marshall is a bit more physical. marshall seems to be a bit more of a possession receiver as well and isn't used quite so much in the red zone for some reason.

 

Johnson seems to be more sane, tough and dependable.

 

Banedon's first post says that Marshall and Cutler have a good relationship, albeit in 2010. However, if Marshall isn't used int eh red zone as much, doesn't that go against what we think we need?

[Magnetic Curses]

more sane, yes. i don't know how you'd judge marshall to be less tough and dependable, though. he's working on his 5th straight 1,000 yard season, he's had more than 100 catches 3 times in the last 4 years. he's about as dependable as they come.

[jersey cubs fan]

more sane, yes. i don't know how you'd judge marshall to be less tough and dependable, though. he's working on his 5th straight 1,000 yard season, he's had more than 100 catches 3 times in the last 4 years. he's about as dependable as they come.

 

Yes, but Johnson does it better. I'm not saying Marshall sucks.

[minnesotacubsfan]

the only thing Johnson does better is score TD's. Marshall consistently has more yards per year

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/calvinjohnson/2495647/profile

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/profile

[Butterscup1679666578]

Johnson is the best WR in the league and could go down as one of the best we've ever seen. Very few compare to what he does and what he's capable of doing. Marshall isn't on the elite level that he is, but he's very high up there in terms of his abilities and his production compared to the rest of the league. He'd be the best WR the Bears have had in a long, long time.

[jersey cubs fan]

the only thing Johnson does better is score TD's. Marshall consistently has more yards per year

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/calvinjohnson/2495647/profile

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/profile

 

Having more yards does not automatically make one a better receiver.

[minnesotacubsfan]

the only thing Johnson does better is score TD's. Marshall consistently has more yards per year

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/calvinjohnson/2495647/profile

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/profile

 

Having more yards does not automatically make one a better receiver.

 

well no [expletive]. the point I'm making is that we need a CJ type (who can score once we're in the red zone) and less of the BM type (whose numbers translate into more a possession type).

[Magnetic Curses]

the only thing Johnson does better is score TD's. Marshall consistently has more yards per year

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/calvinjohnson/2495647/profile

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/profile

 

Having more yards does not automatically make one a better receiver.

 

and catches.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Marshall has 1 [expletive] catch this season in the red zone:

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/situationalstats

 

 

how much of that is the QB and OC, and how much of that is his abilities?

[jersey cubs fan]

the only thing Johnson does better is score TD's. Marshall consistently has more yards per year

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/calvinjohnson/2495647/profile

 

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/profile

 

Having more yards does not automatically make one a better receiver.

 

well no [expletive]. the point I'm making is that we need a CJ type (who can score once we're in the red zone) and less of the BM type (whose numbers translate into more a possession type).

 

Oh, okay.

 

I don't agree with your theory though. It's not like what is holding this offense back is a lack of red zone success. They need to get to the red zone. They need the yards. They can use help at every area of the field.

[minnesotacubsfan]

yesterday (and when the offense clicks in general, ie pass protection), getting to the red zone was never a problem. Getting into the end zone IS an issue for them once they do get inside the 20.

 

I'd love to get Marshall, but I'm not sure he makes the impact many seem to think he would.

[minnesotacubsfan]

actually, the red zone inefficiencies make me crave Olsen more then ever.

 

3 catches, 3 TD's inside the 20:

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/gregolsen/2495700/situationalstats

[Banedon]

Marshall has 1 [expletive] catch this season in the red zone:

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/situationalstats

 

 

how much of that is the QB and OC, and how much of that is his abilities?

 

In 2008, the last year he was with Cutler, he had 12 receptions for 5 td's in the red zone.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Marshall has 1 [expletive] catch this season in the red zone:

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/situationalstats

 

 

how much of that is the QB and OC, and how much of that is his abilities?

 

In 2008, the last year he was with Cutler, he has 12 receptions for 5 td's in the red zone.

 

which is why I pose the "QB and OC" question. the QB part of it seems good, but throw Martz into it and what do you get?

 

again, not opposed, just tempering my own enthusiasm for something that is already a long shot and may not even pay off if it was executed.

 

Roy Williams has done better more recently:

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/roywilliams/2506096/situationalstats?season=2009

 

and had 4 last year

[UMFan83]

Is Marshall even on the block? Where is this coming from? I've wanted him badly ever since Cutler came here and it doesn't appear the Bears have ever come close to acquiring him.

 

It's being assumed by the fact that Miami is 0-4.

 

Well St. Louis is 0-5 and 4.5 games back of the division lead and they are trading for 30+ year old WRs.

[minnesotacubsfan]

yea, I'm not convinced this ever has a chance of being anything but a mythical dream. If Miamis issues are on offense, why would they trade away their best offensive player?

 

 

idk

Edited October 17, 2011 by minnesotacubsfan

[jersey cubs fan]

yesterday (and when the offense clicks in general, ie pass protection), getting to the red zone was never a problem.

 

Getting to the red zone is a bigger problem than getting in. They are in the bottom half of teams in yardage and average at Red Zone conversion.

[minnesotacubsfan]

keep Cutler upright, and it isnt an issue.

[Banedon]

yea, I'm not convinced this even is anything but a mythical dream. If Miamis issues are on offense, why would they trade away their best offensive player?

 

 

idk

 

Oh it's absolutely a mythical dream. No indication whatsoever that the Bears will be active at the deadline, with the possible exception of trading away Harris. And I just don't see any teams giving up anything for him.

[jersey cubs fan]

keep Cutler upright, and it isnt an issue.

 

the point is they can't just choose to keep him upright. They aren't good at blocking and they aren't good at receiving. They aren't good at gaining yards and they aren't good at scoring. Get a better receiver and things will be a little better.

[kujay]

Is Marshall even on the block? Where is this coming from? I've wanted him badly ever since Cutler came here and it doesn't appear the Bears have ever come close to acquiring him.

 

It's being assumed by the fact that Miami is 0-4.

 

Well St. Louis is 0-5 and 4.5 games back of the division lead and they are trading for 30+ year old WRs.

 

They are also massively inept in the front office and need to sell tickets -- a few wins in an otherwise shitty season might help a little with that.

[minnesotacubsfan]

keep Cutler upright, and it isnt an issue.

 

the point is they can't just choose to keep him upright. They aren't good at blocking and they aren't good at receiving. They aren't good at gaining yards and they aren't good at scoring. Get a better receiver and things will be a little better.

 

they did a hell of a job of it last night against the best pass rusher in the league, and his croonies who aren't too bad at it themselves. They can choose to do it.

 

before yesterday, Minnesota had the 3rd most sacks IN THE LEAGUE (also to note, Detroit is surprisingly not as good and Chicago's 4 sack game yesterday will likely move them up):

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=SACKS&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go