Hendry's Worst 10 Moves (Non including draft)

[dew1679666265]

What "outrage" is Warren talking about?

 

The frustration people speak with when explaining why Hendry isn't an idiot for the Hamilton issue.

[TruffleShuffle]

the never-ending josh hamilton debate makes me want to go on a josh hamilton-type cocaine binge.

[Warren Brusstar]

The Cubs could've drafted Albert Pujols. The Cubs could've signed Miguel Cabrera.

 

And the Cubs didn't have the 1st overall pick, they just didn't want anyone in the draft so they traded away the rights to the smartest baseball mind in the world Wayne Krivsky.

 

3rd pick, but the point remains. Also, please see the 12 instances in this thread in which I've said that I don't blame Hendry for not taking Hamilton.

 

My sole point is that the OUTRAGE about people supposedly mischaracterizing the failure to get Hamilton as a trade v. a missed pick is silly.

 

As to Krivisky, I don't get your point. Obviously you think Krivsky is a moron. I agree. But grabbing Hamilton was undoubtedly a good move, no?

 

 

The problem isn't that people innocently mischaracterize it. It's that there are tons of meatheads that think Hendry drafted Hamilton, then on a whim of insanity, traded him to the Reds. It's not semantics when there are people out there that think he actually belonged to the Cubs. Whether Hendry could have drafted him is immaterial, people think he did. You are correct in saying that Hendry could have chosen him, had they not made the deal with the Reds. But people that say "the Cubs traded away Josh Hamilton" don't get the slight differences in there. They actually think the Cubs drafted him then traded him. Whether you want to call it semantics or not, the people that think that just don't get how the deal went down.

 

Please see the initial post starting this thread. That isn't even close to what the OP said, yet it got the same silly OUTRAGE that every single referenece to Hamilton gets on this board. Even if I were to accept that the order matters in rebutting the suggestion that Hendry "drafted Hamilton, then traded him," that's not what happened here, and isn't what happens many of the times that this issue is discussed. There's a lot of tilting at windmills on this subject.

[TruffleShuffle]

Please see the initial post starting this thread. That isn't even close to what the OP said, yet it got the same silly OUTRAGE that every single referenece to Hamilton gets on this board.

 

no. it's stupid that it even gets brought up. if you're going to hand-wring about josh hamilton not being kept by the cubs in the rule 5 draft then you mineaswell just bitch about every awesome player that we passed on in the amateur draft and international free agency.

[radarluv1]

Please see the initial post starting this thread. That isn't even close to what the OP said, yet it got the same silly OUTRAGE that every single referenece to Hamilton gets on this board.

 

no. it's stupid that it even gets brought up. if you're going to hand-wring about josh hamilton not being kept by the cubs in the rule 5 draft then you mineaswell just bitch about every awesome player that we passed on in the amateur draft and international free agency.

Didnt we have a glut of (probably mediocre) OFers at the time, too?

Was that "mineaswell" sarcastic?

[Tryptamine]

Please see the initial post starting this thread. That isn't even close to what the OP said, yet it got the same silly OUTRAGE that every single referenece to Hamilton gets on this board.

 

no. it's stupid that it even gets brought up. if you're going to hand-wring about josh hamilton not being kept by the cubs in the rule 5 draft then you mineaswell just bitch about every awesome player that we passed on in the amateur draft and international free agency.

Didnt we have a glut of (probably mediocre) OFers at the time, too?

Was that "mineaswell" sarcastic?

 

It doesn't even matter. The guy was 25, out of baseball for 3 years, and not playing all that well in A ball, albeit in a small sample. Do you realize how small the odds were that he'd be able to hit major league pitching and stick on the 25 man roster all year?

[radarluv1]

Please see the initial post starting this thread. That isn't even close to what the OP said, yet it got the same silly OUTRAGE that every single referenece to Hamilton gets on this board.

 

no. it's stupid that it even gets brought up. if you're going to hand-wring about josh hamilton not being kept by the cubs in the rule 5 draft then you mineaswell just bitch about every awesome player that we passed on in the amateur draft and international free agency.

Didnt we have a glut of (probably mediocre) OFers at the time, too?

Was that "mineaswell" sarcastic?

 

It doesn't even matter. The guy was 25, out of baseball for 3 years, and not playing all that well in A ball, albeit in a small sample. Do you realize how small the odds were that he'd be able to hit major league pitching and stick on the 25 man roster all year?

i'm not disagreeing with you. just made it less likely we could "take a flyer". it wasnt too long ago that we rule 5 drafted some pitcher and tried to hide him in the pen.

[sneakypower]

the arguments some people make to defend our handling of the Hamilton thing are even worse than people bemoaning it

 

he was the former #1 pick with tangible all-world talent. everybody knows the kind of arm he had, and the kind of raw power he had. this isn't a Pujols situation, and the comparison is so ludicrous. i was a little miffed at the time, thinking his defense and power stroke alone would well warrant him being rostered as a 25th man for a year just for the hell of it; not any worse at all than a Freddy Bynum type

 

the only really valid defense of the move is that we wouldn't have had a support system in place, like the Reds had with Jerry Narron's brother

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, no.

 

Here, I'll settle this: anyone arguing that the Texas ending up with Hamilton 3.0 is anything but luck is wrong.

[TruffleShuffle]

where would hamilton have gone? we already had murton, floyd, jones and soriano on the roster. at very best he'd be a 5th outfielder, and we also had pagan/pie around, so the backup CF role was more or less filled (plus i don't think anyone thought hamilton could play CF). the reds had a hole in the OF and were able to give him consistent playing time. the cubs didn't have anything close to that, so he would've just sat around, which (a) is a bad situation for a guy who desperately in need of some ABs, and (b) maybe it's not a great idea to take a guy with an extensive drug history and throw him into a big city where he doesn't really have to do anything.

[Guest]

the arguments some people make to defend our handling of the Hamilton thing are even worse than people bemoaning it

 

he was the former #1 pick with tangible all-world talent. everybody knows the kind of arm he had, and the kind of raw power he had. this isn't a Pujols situation, and the comparison is so ludicrous. i was a little miffed at the time, thinking his defense and power stroke alone would well warrant him being rostered as a 25th man for a year just for the hell of it; not any worse at all than a Freddy Bynum type

 

the only really valid defense of the move is that we wouldn't have had a support system in place, like the Reds had with Jerry Narron's brother

 

That paints Hamilton as an everyday failed uberprospect that comes along year after year. He hadn't played professional baseball in years. Years! And there was the whole devolution into hard drug and alcohol abuse as well. He was extremely likely to not make any type of contribution to a MLB roster at the time of the draft.

[XZero771679666304]

It's not like teams were clamoring to get their hands on Hamilton at the time, given his recent history of being a hot mess. There is a whole lot of irrational second guessing and 20/20 hindsight going on with regard to that whole scenario.

[TruffleShuffle]

It's not like teams were clamoring to get their hands on Hamilton at the time, given his recent history of being a hot mess. There is a whole lot of irrational second guessing and 20/20 hindsight going on with regard to that whole scenario.

 

even the people who, at the time, said he's really talented and why don't we take a flier on him, weren't looking at the situation as it pertained to the cubs. they offered him no opportunity for playing time and also had a new manager who they probably didn't feel like saddling with a project who'd almost snorted his way out of baseball. the reds were a great situation for him and it worked out.

[SouthSideRyan]

the arguments some people make to defend our handling of the Hamilton thing are even worse than people bemoaning it

 

he was the former #1 pick with tangible all-world talent. everybody knows the kind of arm he had, and the kind of raw power he had. this isn't a Pujols situation, and the comparison is so ludicrous. i was a little miffed at the time, thinking his defense and power stroke alone would well warrant him being rostered as a 25th man for a year just for the hell of it; not any worse at all than a Freddy Bynum type

 

 

No all over.

[CincyCubsFan]

Holy crap, this Josh Hamilton [expletive] never ends.

[SouthSideRyan]

If you won't take a chance on a recovering drug addict coming off a 685 OPS in Low A ball as a 25 year old in his first 55 professional ABs in 3 years, then why bother having a Rule 5 draft at all??

[SweetZombieJesus]

So this has to be top spot in the top spot in apete's worst posts post? Right?

[apete6]

So this has to be top spot in the top spot in apete's worst posts post? Right?

 

How about a list instead of a personal attack?

[Brett]

If you won't take a chance on a recovering drug addict coming off a 685 OPS in Low A ball as a 25 year old in his first 55 professional ABs in 3 years, then why bother having a Rule 5 draft at all??

 

That is hilarious. Well put.

[sneakypower]

the arguments some people make to defend our handling of the Hamilton thing are even worse than people bemoaning it

 

he was the former #1 pick with tangible all-world talent. everybody knows the kind of arm he had, and the kind of raw power he had. this isn't a Pujols situation, and the comparison is so ludicrous. i was a little miffed at the time, thinking his defense and power stroke alone would well warrant him being rostered as a 25th man for a year just for the hell of it; not any worse at all than a Freddy Bynum type

 

the only really valid defense of the move is that we wouldn't have had a support system in place, like the Reds had with Jerry Narron's brother

 

That paints Hamilton as an everyday failed uberprospect that comes along year after year. He hadn't played professional baseball in years. Years! And there was the whole devolution into hard drug and alcohol abuse as well. He was extremely likely to not make any type of contribution to a MLB roster at the time of the draft.

put it this way: if Bryce Harper goes on a 4-year or whatever sabbatical and gets left unprotected for the Rule V draft, i'll still be advocating like hell we take a chance on him

 

you can keep rationalizing reasons to pass up on guys with star potential and then you're left wondering why you don't have but one star player in the entire organization

[Sammy Sofa]

Note that he had to say "whatever sabbatical" instead of "hardcore drinking and drug binge with a chaser of really bad baseball."

 

But yes, also keep saying stuff like this...

 

you can keep rationalizing reasons to pass up on guys with star potential and then you're left wondering why you don't have but one star player in the entire organization

 

...about JOSH [expletive] HAMILTON. I mean, you do realize how bizarre and insanely unlikely his story is to this point, right? He's such an obvious [expletive] anomaly and outlier given the circumstances of how his life has played out.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sneaky thinks signing Lou Montanez was the steal of the offseason by the Cubs.

[MSG T]

the arguments some people make to defend our handling of the Hamilton thing are even worse than people bemoaning it

 

he was the former #1 pick with tangible all-world talent. everybody knows the kind of arm he had, and the kind of raw power he had. this isn't a Pujols situation, and the comparison is so ludicrous. i was a little miffed at the time, thinking his defense and power stroke alone would well warrant him being rostered as a 25th man for a year just for the hell of it; not any worse at all than a Freddy Bynum type

 

the only really valid defense of the move is that we wouldn't have had a support system in place, like the Reds had with Jerry Narron's brother

 

That paints Hamilton as an everyday failed uberprospect that comes along year after year. He hadn't played professional baseball in years. Years! And there was the whole devolution into hard drug and alcohol abuse as well. He was extremely likely to not make any type of contribution to a MLB roster at the time of the draft.

put it this way: if Bryce Harper goes on a 4-year or whatever sabbatical and gets left unprotected for the Rule V draft, i'll still be advocating like hell we take a chance on him

 

you can keep rationalizing reasons to pass up on guys with star potential and then you're left wondering why you don't have but one star player in the entire organization

 

If Harper went on a 4-year drug and alcohol binge where he played no baseball, then came back and was really bad just prior to the Rule V draft, I wouldn't have a problem with the Cubs passing on him. I'm not a Hendry fan by any means, but looking at the Hamilton situation with 20/20 hindsight is dumb and unfair. There was NO ONE clamoring for anyone, let alone the Cubs, to take a flier on him. He was being looked at as a guy in the middle of what would most likely be a failed comeback attempt from something stupid he did to himself.

 

As was alluded to earlier, it's more fair to point out top draft picks that were passed on, or Latin/Asian FA they didn't sign, than critique Hendry for passing on Hamilton.

[jersey cubs fan]

Rule 5

[jersey cubs fan]

As was alluded to earlier, it's more fair to point out top draft picks that were passed on, or Latin/Asian FA they didn't sign, than critique Hendry for passing on Hamilton.

 

The only thing that matters are the horrible results.