2011 NBA Offseason

[17 Seconds]

Gonna be some sloppy ball to start the season you'd have to think.

 

It'll be like watching Derrick Rose in the playoffs all season long!!

 

You excited to see KG playing a bunch of back-to-backs this season?

[Guest]

Gonna be some sloppy ball to start the season you'd have to think.

 

It'll be like watching Derrick Rose in the playoffs all season long!!

 

Okay, maybe I had forgotten about some of the benefits of the NBA being around.

[UMFan83]

So this new labor deal is rumored to have a multi year amnesty that teams can use to knock a contract off their books. They still have to pay them but they erase their cap obligations.

 

Doesn't this seem to only give more strength to the large market teams?

[Flames24Rulz]

So this new labor deal is rumored to have a multi year amnesty that teams can use to knock a contract off their books. They still have to pay them but they erase their cap obligations.

 

Doesn't this seem to only give more strength to the large market teams?

 

I saw this a couple of weeks ago when they were talking about proposed changes to the CBA. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Booze.

[UMFan83]

So this new labor deal is rumored to have a multi year amnesty that teams can use to knock a contract off their books. They still have to pay them but they erase their cap obligations.

 

Doesn't this seem to only give more strength to the large market teams?

 

I saw this a couple of weeks ago when they were talking about proposed changes to the CBA. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Booze.

 

Were they really talking about multiyear amnesty back then? I know they were talking about a 1 time thing, but not something teams could do multiple times over the years.

[BCVM22]

According to Broussard, the lockout was just about ready to be over until talks broke off again because of the BRI split. The players are still at 52, the owners are still at 50

 

http://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard/status/130016479692324864

 

:(

[UMFan83]

According to Broussard, the lockout was just about ready to be over until talks broke off again because of the BRI split. The players are still at 52, the owners are still at 50

 

http://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard/status/130016479692324864

 

:(

 

that's disapointing. Let's be honest, the talks were not almost over if they hadn't agreed on the BRI split. That's the biggest issue and has been the entire time.

[bcl412]

Does that mean the 82 game schedule is off the table?

[SpongeWorthy]

Does that mean the 82 game schedule is off the table?

 

Stern said there would be no 82 game season under any circumstances

[17 Seconds]

this is such a colossal failure for the NBA. you finally have a breakout season that generates the most interest since the 90's NBA, and what do they do? throw away all the momentum by a lockout and remind us all how bad most of these people are.

 

way to go, NBA.

[Banedon]

So this new labor deal is rumored to have a multi year amnesty that teams can use to knock a contract off their books. They still have to pay them but they erase their cap obligations.

 

Doesn't this seem to only give more strength to the large market teams?

 

I saw this a couple of weeks ago when they were talking about proposed changes to the CBA. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Booze.

 

The Bulls will be interested in the amnesty process when the season starts, but strictly in terms of the players released by other teams. Grantland's Bill Simmons graciously suggested that the Bulls use the amnesty provision on Carlos Boozer to create salary-cap space for the potentially loaded 2012 free-agent class, but sources familiar with Chicago's plans insist that it's not even a consideration.

 

Boozer's debut season in Chicago was an undeniable struggle, but the Bulls like the roster they've assembled -- filled with recent free-agent signees and players on their rookie contracts -- and are focused on adding to it.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7147880/nba-most-likely-amnesty-candidates

[UMFan83]

So this new labor deal is rumored to have a multi year amnesty that teams can use to knock a contract off their books. They still have to pay them but they erase their cap obligations.

 

Doesn't this seem to only give more strength to the large market teams?

 

I saw this a couple of weeks ago when they were talking about proposed changes to the CBA. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Booze.

 

The Bulls will be interested in the amnesty process when the season starts, but strictly in terms of the players released by other teams. Grantland's Bill Simmons graciously suggested that the Bulls use the amnesty provision on Carlos Boozer to create salary-cap space for the potentially loaded 2012 free-agent class, but sources familiar with Chicago's plans insist that it's not even a consideration.

 

Boozer's debut season in Chicago was an undeniable struggle, but the Bulls like the roster they've assembled -- filled with recent free-agent signees and players on their rookie contracts -- and are focused on adding to it.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7147880/nba-most-likely-amnesty-candidates

 

Yeah I didn't think they would use it on Boozer this year. The cool thing about the amnesty is that it can be used during any time in this CBA (when accepted), and it only applies to contracts signed before the lockout. So maybe Boozer breaks down 2 years from now, and if he does, we can release him at any point.

[SpongeWorthy]

So this new labor deal is rumored to have a multi year amnesty that teams can use to knock a contract off their books. They still have to pay them but they erase their cap obligations.

 

Doesn't this seem to only give more strength to the large market teams?

 

I saw this a couple of weeks ago when they were talking about proposed changes to the CBA. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Booze.

 

The Bulls will be interested in the amnesty process when the season starts, but strictly in terms of the players released by other teams. Grantland's Bill Simmons graciously suggested that the Bulls use the amnesty provision on Carlos Boozer to create salary-cap space for the potentially loaded 2012 free-agent class, but sources familiar with Chicago's plans insist that it's not even a consideration.

 

Boozer's debut season in Chicago was an undeniable struggle, but the Bulls like the roster they've assembled -- filled with recent free-agent signees and players on their rookie contracts -- and are focused on adding to it.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7147880/nba-most-likely-amnesty-candidates

 

Yeah I didn't think they would use it on Boozer this year. The cool thing about the amnesty is that it can be used during any time in this CBA (when accepted), and it only applies to contracts signed before the lockout. So maybe Boozer breaks down 2 years from now, and if he does, we can release him at any point.

 

Assuming there's a season can we use the amnesty after the season is over and still get under the cap to make a run at the 2012 FAs? I don't think losing Boozer would hurt all that much but there isn't much sense is cutting him loose now if there isn't an immediate plan to replace him. I'd love to make a run at Howard.

 

Who else is worth going after in the 2012 class?

[ChiCubsFan]

So this new labor deal is rumored to have a multi year amnesty that teams can use to knock a contract off their books. They still have to pay them but they erase their cap obligations.

 

Doesn't this seem to only give more strength to the large market teams?

 

I saw this a couple of weeks ago when they were talking about proposed changes to the CBA. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Booze.

 

The Bulls will be interested in the amnesty process when the season starts, but strictly in terms of the players released by other teams. Grantland's Bill Simmons graciously suggested that the Bulls use the amnesty provision on Carlos Boozer to create salary-cap space for the potentially loaded 2012 free-agent class, but sources familiar with Chicago's plans insist that it's not even a consideration.

 

Boozer's debut season in Chicago was an undeniable struggle, but the Bulls like the roster they've assembled -- filled with recent free-agent signees and players on their rookie contracts -- and are focused on adding to it.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7147880/nba-most-likely-amnesty-candidates

 

Yeah I didn't think they would use it on Boozer this year. The cool thing about the amnesty is that it can be used during any time in this CBA (when accepted), and it only applies to contracts signed before the lockout. So maybe Boozer breaks down 2 years from now, and if he does, we can release him at any point.

 

Assuming there's a season can we use the amnesty after the season is over and still get under the cap to make a run at the 2012 FAs? I don't think losing Boozer would hurt all that much but there isn't much sense is cutting him loose now if there isn't an immediate plan to replace him. I'd love to make a run at Howard.

 

Who else is worth going after in the 2012 class?

 

That's a good question. I would assume if you cut him before the 2012 season, that he would not count towards your 2012 salary cap. Thus, Dwight would be an option. Hypothetically speaking, if the Bulls somehow found a way to land Howard and cut Boozer, what do you do with Noah? I know everyone's response is who give a crap, but I'm just curious. Do you try to play Noah at the 4 or do you trade him for a wing player or a 4 who can play on the perimeter a little more? Noah is one of my favorite players and I'd love to win a championship with him on the team, but I'm not sure that we'd be able to create enough spacing with Rose, Howard, and Noah on the court at once (although is it really that much different than with Boozer). We would dominate the glass even more than we already do and Noah does have enough quickness to guard a smaller 4 out on the perimeter

 

On a separate note, anyone hear any rumors of guys that may have the amnesty clause used on (if such a thing were agreed to)? And secondly, how would the salary work out for the team picking up such a player?

[UMFan83]

The original team has to pay the player his entire salary. Not certain, but I'm assuming the players can sign for any amount with a new squad. Or maybe just league minimum, who knows. Either way, the players that are cut are likely able to be had for cheap.

[XZero771679666304]

this is such a colossal failure for the NBA. you finally have a breakout season that generates the most interest since the 90's NBA, and what do they do? throw away all the momentum by a lockout and remind us all how bad most of these people are.

 

way to go, NBA.

 

I wonder what all parties are thinking. If they think the NBA is so popular that it can withstand a prolonged work stoppage without taking a big hit, they're clueless. The latest Harris poll had the NBA well behind the NFL, MLB and NCAA football and just behind NASCAR and barely ahead of the NHL in popularity among Americans.

 

Lose the season and they're probably looking up at NCAA basketball. That would be something.

[17 Seconds]

The NBA is behind NASCAR? Yikes

[wolf stansson]

The latest Harris poll had the NBA well behind the NFL, MLB and NCAA football and just behind NASCAR and barely ahead of the NHL in popularity among Americans.

I question the validity of this poll.

 

8.5 million people watched Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals in N America. 23.5 million watched Game 6 of the NBA finals. Your poll invalidates casual fans.

[jersey cubs fan]

The latest Harris poll had the NBA well behind the NFL, MLB and NCAA football and just behind NASCAR and barely ahead of the NHL in popularity among Americans.

I question the validity of this poll.

 

8.5 million people watched Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals in N America. 23.5 million watched Game 6 of the NBA finals. Your poll invalidates casual fans.

 

I'm guessing the latest poll is pretty recent, and since there isn't an NBA right now it's popularity is pretty damn low.

[wolf stansson]

The latest Harris poll had the NBA well behind the NFL, MLB and NCAA football and just behind NASCAR and barely ahead of the NHL in popularity among Americans.

I question the validity of this poll.

 

8.5 million people watched Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals in N America. 23.5 million watched Game 6 of the NBA finals. Your poll invalidates casual fans.

 

I'm guessing the latest poll is pretty recent, and since there isn't an NBA right now it's popularity is pretty damn low.

Casual fan, yes.

[XZero771679666304]

The latest Harris poll had the NBA well behind the NFL, MLB and NCAA football and just behind NASCAR and barely ahead of the NHL in popularity among Americans.

I question the validity of this poll.

 

8.5 million people watched Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals in N America. 23.5 million watched Game 6 of the NBA finals. Your poll invalidates casual fans.

 

I'm guessing the latest poll is pretty recent, and since there isn't an NBA right now it's popularity is pretty damn low.

Casual fan, yes.

 

People were more interested in the Finals this last year because of LeBron fiasco/schadenfreude, I'd bet.

 

Most people I know (and this has been born out in several other polls regarding the lockout) don't care much about it and really wouldn't miss it if the season were canceled.

 

The bottom line is that the NBA isn't the NFL or even MLB. There are die hard NBA fans, but it's simply a league that most sports fans could live without.

[SpongeWorthy]

Eh, I don't see MLB as being that far ahead of the NBA in popularity. The most marketable athletes in America are NBA players.

[XZero771679666304]

Eh, I don't see MLB as being that far ahead of the NBA in popularity. The most marketable athletes in America are NBA players.

 

The really marketable players LeBron, Kobe, etc. are tarnished/disliked to a significant degree. The poll indicates (and I anecdotally feel) that the NBA's popularity peaked in the mid-late 90's. It has taken a significant popularity hit over the last decade plus, I don't think that is really debatable. I used to be a big NBA fan, but my interest has waned dramatically in that time, to the point where my interest is lukewarm at best (I did watch the last game of the Finals for the first time in years, but only to see the big three fail).

 

Harris Poll results

[SpongeWorthy]

The NBA was in a pretty bad way when the Spurs and Pistons were dominating. But the rules are more offense friendly and the young talent is extremely high right now. The NBA is (or was) the strongest its been since Jordan retired at least until this lockout came up.

[XZero771679666304]

The NBA was in a pretty bad way when the Spurs and Pistons were dominating. But the rules are more offense friendly and the young talent is extremely high right now. The NBA is (or was) the strongest its been since Jordan retired at least until this lockout came up.

 

Strongest since Jordan, yes. As strong as during the "Jordan era"? Not nearly.