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Jose Bautista - Exception to rule or Breaker of rule?

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Drinking a protein shake before working out is much, much, much more effective than using HGH. Protein shakes are perfectly legal and acceptable supplements. HGH is a PED.

 

But HGH is not illegal because it makes you good at baseball..it is illegal because it is addictive and harmful. If protein shakes were addictive and harmful to your health would they also be a PED?

 

Too much protein is harmful too. Your turn.

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I don't want to be suspicious without some kind of actual proof, but after yet another 2 HR performance the numbers are just so outlandish it's hard not to. He's now sitting with a .364 AVG .509 OBP and 1.350 OPS. These numbers are on par with Barry Bond's best seasons. At least in Bonds' case he was an elite player before going ballistic. Bautista just came out of no where. Edited by Tryptamine
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What is that you think steroids do to a person?

 

Not sure if this was addressed to me or just in general, but I never said steroids. I haven't got a clue what he's doing or whether or not it's even against the rules. There has to be something other than a change in his swing. Players just don't go from being borderline roster fodder to the best hitter in baseball. What's stranger is he's getting better by the day. Last year he was only doing damage by pulling the ball out of the park. This year he's starting to go the other way a little more.

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What is that you think steroids do to a person?

 

Not sure if this was addressed to me or just in general, but I never said steroids. I haven't got a clue what he's doing or whether or not it's even against the rules. There has to be something other than a change in his swing. Players just don't go from being borderline roster fodder to the best hitter in baseball. What's stranger is he's getting better by the day. Last year he was only doing damage by pulling the ball out of the park. This year he's starting to go the other way a little more.

 

I'm pretty sure there isn't a PED that helps you hit to the opposite field. Even if you take steroids and turn into He-Man (Bautista looks about the same as he ever did, btw), they won't help put the bat on the ball more consistently or make you a more dynamic hitter. And if turning to the needle would transform "roster filler" into MVP material, don't you think we'd see more of it?

 

I really don't think he's doing anything illegal. If he is, he'll be (likely would have been already) exposed, since he's drawing a lot of attention. And if there was some new undetectable formula out there, don't you think Manny would have been using it? Did Jose Bautista have better connections than Manny Ramirez?

 

And if we did believe cheaters are always a step head of testing/detection methods, we may as well just accept that it is part of the game and get the hell over it. Really, I just don't care. I don't care that Bonds/McGwire/Sosa/etc. did them, and I wouldn't care if Bautista were doing them. Going into suspicion mode every time someone breaks out just takes a lot of the fun out of the game.

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What is that you think steroids do to a person?

 

Not sure if this was addressed to me or just in general, but I never said steroids. I haven't got a clue what he's doing or whether or not it's even against the rules. There has to be something other than a change in his swing. Players just don't go from being borderline roster fodder to the best hitter in baseball. What's stranger is he's getting better by the day. Last year he was only doing damage by pulling the ball out of the park. This year he's starting to go the other way a little more.

 

So then if you're not saying it's steroids...then what are you saying?

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What is that you think steroids do to a person?

 

Not sure if this was addressed to me or just in general, but I never said steroids. I haven't got a clue what he's doing or whether or not it's even against the rules. There has to be something other than a change in his swing. Players just don't go from being borderline roster fodder to the best hitter in baseball. What's stranger is he's getting better by the day. Last year he was only doing damage by pulling the ball out of the park. This year he's starting to go the other way a little more.

 

So then if you're not saying it's steroids...then what are you saying?

 

I'm not saying he's taking anything. What I'm saying is there is something beyond swing changes that is going on. I have no idea what it is.

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Changes to a swing/stance are pretty critical. Not sure what else you think is going on if you don't think he's cheating.

 

Maybe he was suddenly blessed with precognition or the ability to slow time. Or something.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Danks-Bautista-argue-during-pop-up-evoking-8?urn=mlb-wp8176

 

interesting exchange between Danks and Bautista. Funny to see that Hawk and Stoney are the only ones who are taking Danks side of this dispute.

 

Harrelson also accused Bautista of corking his bat during a broadcast this weekend. I hope he falls out of the booth.

 

It goes without saying, but Hawk is an insufferably unprofessional homer of a douche. The most appropriate place for him (other than out of the profession) is in the radio booth of some low A ball team.

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As much as it nauseates me to say it, I think I side with Hawk. In a blowout, players should dial back the intensity to the point that they are capable of confining their frustrations within lesser theatrics. If personal stats are supposed to be less important than team victory, then there should be nothing to get so worked up over. The frustration should have more resemblance to an unproductive BP session rather than popping up with a runner on 3rd and 1 out in the 7th inning of a tie game.

 

Granted, in this case, it was the 4th inning, so there was way too much baseball remaining for a 7-run-lead to be considered a surefire blowout. (I guess that means I only partially agree with Hawk, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it.)

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I once tried to explain unwritten rules to my wife and she shrugged, rolled her eyes and asked why these rich, macho athletes are so sensitive. I couldn't answer.
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As much as it nauseates me to say it, I think I side with Hawk. In a blowout, players should dial back the intensity to the point that they are capable of confining their frustrations within lesser theatrics. If personal stats are supposed to be less important than team victory, then there should be nothing to get so worked up over. The frustration should have more resemblance to an unproductive BP session rather than popping up with a runner on 3rd and 1 out in the 7th inning of a tie game.

 

Granted, in this case, it was the 4th inning, so there was way too much baseball remaining for a 7-run-lead to be considered a surefire blowout. (I guess that means I only partially agree with Hawk, but that doesn't make me feel any better about it.)

 

The score has nothing to do with it, it was his natural reaction to missing on a hittable pitch. I don't care if it was the 9th and they were up 14, it comes back to this unwritten [expletive], "stop trying when I think you should" If Bautista grounds out to the 2B and doesn't run it out, who's going to be the first piece of [expletive] calling him out on it? Somebody needs to light the White Sox booth on fire.

 

ETA: Do you honestly think the 2 buffoons in their booth were defending Danks based on how they believe baseball players should act? You think if Konerko spiked his bat after Jo-Jo Reyes threw a meatball that they'd be chiding Konerko? No they'd tell Reyes how Luis Tiant used to act when that happened to him. I tell you what partner, Tiant was such a pitbull he was pissed at himself for not striking him out, and I guarantee. He'd strike out Paulie the next 5 times he came up to bat, just because that's the type of competitor he was!

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