BA Top 100

[BeerHere]

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2011/2611316.html

 

Chris Archer (Rays) #27

Brett Jackson at #38

Trey McNutt #48

[BeerHere]

With Hosmer, Moustakas, Myers and Montgomery the Royals have four in the top 20

[sneakypower]

five, you forgot Lamb

 

interesting that they list power as Jackson's best tool

[scarey]

Anyone else confused about the hype around Shelby Miller? I understand he's young, but he hasn't even hit A+ ball yet and while his numbers are good at A, I wouldn't say they're great.

[Guest]

Anyone else confused about the hype around Shelby Miller? I understand he's young, but he hasn't even hit A+ ball yet and while his numbers are good at A, I wouldn't say they're great.

 

He's a 1st round pick with great stuff, and last year he put up a 12.1/2.8 K/BB in full season ball at age 19. He's well deserving of the hype thus far.

[scarey]

Anyone else confused about the hype around Shelby Miller? I understand he's young, but he hasn't even hit A+ ball yet and while his numbers are good at A, I wouldn't say they're great.

 

He's a 1st round pick with great stuff, and last year he put up a 12.1/2.8 K/BB in full season ball at age 19. He's well deserving of the hype thus far.

 

13th best prospect in baseball? I guess I just disagree.

 

Also, the 2.8 BB/9 isn't that impressive to me when paired with the fact that he gave up 8.6 H/9. He just threw the ball over the plate when he had to. If that happens at higher levels, I think his HR/9 will get quit the bump too.

[pitchcs]

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2011/2611316.html

 

Chris Archer (Rays) #27

Brett Jackson at #38

Trey McNutt #48

 

 

Also, HJ Lee at #92

[davell]

I think that one of the main reasons Miller is so high is because I think that overall, the list right now is kind of weak to begin with. But, BA and most scouting outlets look at potential over results and value projection more when evaluating these guys. Miller has tons of upside and even with averagish results, will be highly ranked for another year or two anyway. But, he'll have to eventually show some results or he'll find himself down in Chris Withrow territory.

[Guest]

Given Miller's potential and his age combined with his results at A-ball, I don't see how you can keep him out of the top 25 no matter how strong or weak prospects are currently (and I think it's universally agreed prospects are weak compared to the last few years).

[BeerHere]

Given Miller's potential and his age combined with his results at A-ball, I don't see how you can keep him out of the top 25 no matter how strong or weak prospects are currently (and I think it's universally agreed prospects are weak compared to the last few years).

Is that true raisin? I don't follow prospects as closely as many others here but I would be surprised to hear that given the level of hype that is out there for Harper, Trout etc. If that is true are you saying that the Royals aren't as a good of a position as I would think given 25% of the top 20 are in their system?

[rawaction]

Given Miller's potential and his age combined with his results at A-ball, I don't see how you can keep him out of the top 25 no matter how strong or weak prospects are currently (and I think it's universally agreed prospects are weak compared to the last few years).

Is that true raisin? I don't follow prospects as closely as many others here but I would be surprised to hear that given the level of hype that is out there for Harper, Trout etc. If that is true are you saying that the Royals aren't as a good of a position as I would think given 25% of the top 20 are in their system?

 

They are in a good position still because they still have the most elite prospects. I don't think there are as many elite prospects as recent years though. So, the Royals are well in that if the talent is down, they still have the best of a less than spectacular group.

[Northside Blues]

Also, the 2.8 BB/9 isn't that impressive to me when paired with the fact that he gave up 8.6 H/9. He just threw the ball over the plate when he had to. If that happens at higher levels, I think his HR/9 will get quit the bump too.

 

 

defenders in low a suck and BABIPs are generally fairly high. For instance league BABIP in the Midwest League last year was .320. Somehow I don't think his .347 BABIP is going to stick. Especially with a 2.42 FIP.

[scarey]

I guess I'm in the minority then. I think Kyle Drabek, Matt Moore, Chris Sale, John Lamb, Mike Montgomery, Chris Archer, and Zach Britton are more deserving than Miller personally. I understand how BA values potential though.

 

Hell, I would put McNutt above Miller. I understand he doesn't have the pedigree that Miller does, but at what point do results overshadow the name?

[Outshined_One]

Age relative to league is a big big reason for why Miller was rated that high. He spent the whole season in Low A as a 19 year old, yet he racked up a ton of strikeouts while keeping HRs down and BBs at a reasonable level. It's incredibly rare to see a 19 year old put up those kinds of numbers in Low A over the course of a full season. Frankly, I think he's slotted in the right area and I think there's a good argument in favor of ranking him over guys ahead of him, namely Jameson Taillon.

[toonsterwu]

I'm okay with the Miller slotting. I would've preferred to see him down a few more spots (say 5-10), but I can understand the argument for the high placement, and I'm somewhat nitpicking.

 

As for the Cubs (and ex-Cubs), the pitchers came in slightly higher than I expected. I like Archer ... but 27th? Wow. I was thinking top 50, maybe top 40. I like McNutt too, but I still am a bit curious how his stuff plays at higher levels over extended periods, and thus, was hoping more for a top 60-65 ranking.

 

I figured Brett Jackson would come in around the mid-30's. I'd put him up a few spots higher, but I understand the argument against. I still am not huge on Hak-ju Lee making the back end of the top 100, but it's understandable and defensible.

[Coach C]

Royals 2011 Class Best Of The Top 100 Era?

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=10925

 

I'm not so sure Baseball America is the type that would make for exaggeration and hyperbole.

 

If the Royals are bad 3 years from now, this will be one hell of an epic fail....

[scarey]

Age relative to league is a big big reason for why Miller was rated that high. He spent the whole season in Low A as a 19 year old, yet he racked up a ton of strikeouts while keeping HRs down and BBs at a reasonable level. It's incredibly rare to see a 19 year old put up those kinds of numbers in Low A over the course of a full season. Frankly, I think he's slotted in the right area and I think there's a good argument in favor of ranking him over guys ahead of him, namely Jameson Taillon.

 

I get age relative to league. Look at a guy that ranked behind him though in John Lamb. Lamb had better numbers across the board compared to Miller outside of Ks/9 and he did it at three different levels peaking at AA as a 19 y/o. And he's a lefty. How do you justify ranking Miller ahead of him?

 

I understand it's not just that simple, but if you're going to give the justification that Miller deserves the ranking because of his age relative to league, how can you argue that he's more worthy of that 13th spot than John Lamb?

[scarey]

And let me just say, I'm not getting bent out of shape here. They're rankings, they ultimately mean nothing. I just think some opinions from BA and other well respected publications can and should be challenged.

 

Anyway, as much as I'm going to question the Miller ranking, I'd be very interested to see any chat snippets on the top 100. Anyone?

[Northside Blues]

I guess I'm in the minority then. I think Kyle Drabek, Matt Moore, Chris Sale, John Lamb, Mike Montgomery, Chris Archer, and Zach Britton are more deserving than Miller personally. I understand how BA values potential though.

 

Hell, I would put McNutt above Miller. I understand he doesn't have the pedigree that Miller does, but at what point do results overshadow the name?

 

 

Ironically, Miller has the results and the name.

[scarey]

I guess I'm in the minority then. I think Kyle Drabek, Matt Moore, Chris Sale, John Lamb, Mike Montgomery, Chris Archer, and Zach Britton are more deserving than Miller personally. I understand how BA values potential though.

 

Hell, I would put McNutt above Miller. I understand he doesn't have the pedigree that Miller does, but at what point do results overshadow the name?

 

 

Ironically, Miller has the results and the name.

 

I don't know about that. While Miller had the edge in Ks/9 (12.1 to 10.2) and BBs/9 (2.8 to 2.9), but McNutt had the better overall WHIP (1.12 to 1.25). I know there's already been the argument that Miller is more likely to give up hits because of the defense behind him, but if you cut him slack there than you have to credit McNutt for the more difficult hitters he had to face.

 

I guess it comes down to which you would rather have:

 

A 20 year old with 1.12 WHIP and 10.2 K/9 while splitting time between A/+A/AA

Or a 19 year old with a 1.25 WHIP and 12.1 K/9 while at A

 

I'm personally more impressed with McNutt's numbers. It's obvious Miller's pedigree and numbers ranked higher with BA.

[Northside Blues]

Who cares about their WHIP? I don't.

[Guest]

I guess I'm in the minority then. I think Kyle Drabek, Matt Moore, Chris Sale, John Lamb, Mike Montgomery, Chris Archer, and Zach Britton are more deserving than Miller personally. I understand how BA values potential though.

 

Hell, I would put McNutt above Miller. I understand he doesn't have the pedigree that Miller does, but at what point do results overshadow the name?

 

 

Ironically, Miller has the results and the name.

 

I don't know about that. While Miller had the edge in Ks/9 (12.1 to 10.2) and BBs/9 (2.8 to 2.9), but McNutt had the better overall WHIP (1.12 to 1.25). I know there's already been the argument that Miller is more likely to give up hits because of the defense behind him, but if you cut him slack there than you have to credit McNutt for the more difficult hitters he had to face.

 

I guess it comes down to which you would rather have:

 

A 20 year old with 1.12 WHIP and 10.2 K/9 while splitting time between A/+A/AA

Or a 19 year old with a 1.25 WHIP and 12.1 K/9 while at A

 

I'm personally more impressed with McNutt's numbers. It's obvious Miller's pedigree and numbers ranked higher with BA.

 

You have to also compare their stuff/pitching arsenal when you consider stats, age and level of competition,

[Guest]

And personally, K/9 and BB/9 are probably the most important stats to use when looking at a minor league pitcher. Miller has an advantage in both over McNutt.

[UK1679666180]

Miller is slotted correctly, IMO.

 

As questionable as Moore as been with FA, his job as far as putting the initial steps of a very good farm might be his most lasting impression.

 

 

With that said, TB will be at the top again next year even with Hellickson/Jennings graduating.

[imb]

Really can't wait to see Trout.