College Football Coaching Moves

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So they just weren't using those functioning brains and sensory organs when they made those hires? What about the other 2 (3 if you count the O'Leary fiasco)?

 

Well sorta. Notre Dame isn't entitled to make the right hire or anything.

 

EJ - Ty landed 4 OL in his time. total. 4. He'd recruited so poorly, he effectively gave ND the Death Penalty as a self-inflicted wound. Weis wasn't a bad hire. But he took over a program that no other coach wanted b/c it didn't take a brain surgeon to see what 2007 was going to be. I had co-workers, many of them, taunting me with how terrible 2007 was going to be...in 2004.

 

Hiring Davie was dumb, but the administration was dumb then. Firing him was impatience but they thought they had a handshake deal with Meyer to come back to ND. Once your Pres and AD fly your private plane to Utah to meet with a coach in the middle of the season and that flight gets tracked and covered by the online and print media, you can't really stick with your current coach. It was completely bungled. Heck, firing Lou was impatience too.

 

But Weis had to go b/c he couldn't get it done. He was very good in some ways, but wasn't ready to be a head coach and may never be. But what he did was stabilize the program, stock the cupboard again (with a few holes - like DL depth), and leave the job better than he found it. That's why Meyer took a hard look at it, Stoops agreed to take it and then backed out, etc. Those guys weren't even answering the phone when Ty was fired.

 

Sorry for the length, but like I said, EJ - your post makes no sense. Firing Rich Rod now isn't the same as any of ND's moves.

 

[ETA: I moved this from the bowl game thread]

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dew.... this Wilcox/Chuck Smith feud apparently has legs. A guy who covers some recruiting for Scout and maybe even looking to jump to 247 said tonight that not only does Wilcox dislike Smith, but that Thompson hates him too. Another guy I know who's fairly close to some current players says that none of the coaches think much of Smith ("great teacher of technique, horrible with teaching x's and o's to a unit...") and that he's likely gone. Scout guy says he's hearing that Sirmon is going to be hired full time to coach LB's, and that Thompson is moving to the DL.

 

I could live with that. The criticism of Smith makes sense, given that he's a former good NFL player. I'd figure he'd be great with technique, but wasn't sure about his recruiting and overall ability to coach.

 

I'm intrigued by Sirmon since he was solid for the Titans for a while, but I wonder how well he can recruit.

[dew1679666265]

GR and other ND fans,

 

What do you think of Florida hiring Weis? Seems like he really struggled developing players at ND, even though he is excellent scheme-wise (as evidenced by his NFL success). It's clear he can recruit, but will his coaching shortcomings at ND follow him to UF?

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GR and other ND fans,

 

What do you think of Florida hiring Weis? Seems like he really struggled developing players at ND, even though he is excellent scheme-wise (as evidenced by his NFL success). It's clear he can recruit, but will his coaching shortcomings at ND follow him to UF?

 

His biggest short comings were hiring and leading a staff, which lead to disastrous player development (he also had to learn that recruits lie/flip, but he figured that out quickly). He hired a bunch of "names" while still working for the Pats. And when he went to replace those guys, he replaced them with more "names" (Tenuta) instead of considering cohesion and scheme. So he ended up, for example, with co-DCs with polar opposite schemes that openly fought in practice in '09. Not having to hire staff and instill a strength/conditioning program will help. He also didn't know the importance of forcing 18-20 year old to exercise, eat right, etc, so he didn't know what to ask for (compare: a dealbreaker for Kelly before he accepted was a training table, which is common but ND didn't have - guys were eating pizza twice a week during the season last year - imagine an OL trying to win in November on the Bum's diet).

 

If he knew how to build a staff and lead them with 1 goal/message, the players could have developed. And he developed QBs quite well (Quinn and Clausen were solid/great college QBs that excelled in his system). If he has to hire the offensive staff, I guess he could struggle. But I think it's more likely that Muschamp runs that show and Weis just comes up with the overall plan and implements it while focusing on QB development.

 

I think it'll end up being a solid fit for both. He loved the college coach life when things were going well and he's a stud recruiter. He's still the best or among the best pro-style OCs in all of football. Plus, his son, who wants to coach and was on the sidelines at ND, is going to enroll at Florida and I imagine be an assistant of some sort. He'll get more family time and focus on the things he likes/excels at. Florida gets a stud OC, a recruiting machine, and a standup guy (he's got a huge ego, no doubt, but he's not a slimy guy like Kiffen, for example).

[dew1679666265]

His biggest short comings were hiring and leading a staff, which lead to disastrous player development (he also had to learn that recruits lie/flip, but he figured that out quickly). He hired a bunch of "names" while still working for the Pats. And when he went to replace those guys, he replaced them with more "names" (Tenuta) instead of considering cohesion and scheme. So he ended up, for example, with co-DCs with polar opposite schemes that openly fought in practice in '09. Not having to hire staff and instill a strength/conditioning program will help. He also didn't know the importance of forcing 18-20 year old to exercise, eat right, etc, so he didn't know what to ask for (compare: a dealbreaker for Kelly before he accepted was a training table, which is common but ND didn't have - guys were eating pizza twice a week during the season last year - imagine an OL trying to win in November on the Bum's diet).

 

If he knew how to build a staff and lead them with 1 goal/message, the players could have developed. And he developed QBs quite well (Quinn and Clausen were solid/great college QBs that excelled in his system). If he has to hire the offensive staff, I guess he could struggle. But I think it's more likely that Muschamp runs that show and Weis just comes up with the overall plan and implements it while focusing on QB development.

 

I think it'll end up being a solid fit for both. He loved the college coach life when things were going well and he's a stud recruiter. He's still the best or among the best pro-style OCs in all of football. Plus, his son, who wants to coach and was on the sidelines at ND, is going to enroll at Florida and I imagine be an assistant of some sort. He'll get more family time and focus on the things he likes/excels at. Florida gets a stud OC, a recruiting machine, and a standup guy (he's got a huge ego, no doubt, but he's not a slimy guy like Kiffen, for example).

 

Interesting, thanks. I keep wanting to think this is a bad move for Florida, but I just can't figure out how it is.

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There are some reports that if Garrett is names the HC for the Cowboys that Chryst will be heading to Dallas. If thats the case I am expecting Bryan Harsin to be heading the Texas.

[Soul]

But Weis had to go b/c he couldn't get it done. He was very good in some ways, but wasn't ready to be a head coach and may never be.

 

I think Weis deserves another shot at some point. Yes, he didn't get it done, but I think it likely that many who would fail at ND could be solid in another situation, perhaps with the benefit of the perspective and experienced gained at ND. Especially when it was his first shot.

 

I still view him as HC potential.

[Jon]

Maryland goes with Randy Edsall from UConn as their next head coach.

[bleedingblue]

There are some reports that if Garrett is names the HC for the Cowboys that Chryst will be heading to Dallas. If thats the case I am expecting Bryan Harsin to be heading the Texas.

 

Garrett's hired so Chryst should be on packing his stuff up in Madison?

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But Weis had to go b/c he couldn't get it done. He was very good in some ways, but wasn't ready to be a head coach and may never be.

 

I think Weis deserves another shot at some point. Yes, he didn't get it done, but I think it likely that many who would fail at ND could be solid in another situation, perhaps with the benefit of the perspective and experienced gained at ND. Especially when it was his first shot.

 

I still view him as HC potential.

 

He may end up being a great HC. If he was a HC at a different program for a few years, he probably would have been much better at ND. But ND has so much that goes into it, in addition to the unreasonable expectations of some of its fans, that it's not the place for a first time HC (imo). And Weis was willing to learn and he did in some ways. But he was also doing a lot of trial and error at ND (the Tenuta/Brown situation in Y4). T&E that doesn't work gets you fired at a place like ND.

 

I guess I'm not even sure he'll want to be a HC again. There's a lot of stuff that goes into it that he didn't seem to enjoy (though some of that - glad-handing, banquet speaking, etc - is worse at ND than most places). He wasn't so terrible at ND that he could never get another HC job. I think he was offered other HC jobs in '09, actually.

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Maryland goes with Randy Edsall from UConn as their next head coach.

 

Is Maryland that much better of a gig than UConn?

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Maryland goes with Randy Edsall from UConn as their next head coach.

 

Is Maryland that much better of a gig than UConn?

 

Considering UConn's trajectory, I wouldn't think so.

[E.J.]

Maryland goes with Randy Edsall from UConn as their next head coach.

 

Is Maryland that much better of a gig than UConn?

 

That seems like a neutral move at best.

[Flames24Rulz]

Maryland goes with Randy Edsall from UConn as their next head coach.

 

Is Maryland that much better of a gig than UConn?

 

That seems like a neutral move at best.

 

Money.

[shnsajax]

There are some reports that if Garrett is names the HC for the Cowboys that Chryst will be heading to Dallas. If thats the case I am expecting Bryan Harsin to be heading the Texas.

 

Garrett's hired so Chryst should be on packing his stuff up in Madison?

 

Where do you see this?

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I've heard Norm Chow will be leaving UCLA. They've been trying not to fire him...mainly because UCLA doesn't want to pay the buyout.

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I've heard Norm Chow will be leaving UCLA. They've been trying not to fire him...mainly because UCLA doesn't want to pay the buyout.

 

God I hope he stays away from Texas.

[snoodmonger]

I've heard Norm Chow will be leaving UCLA. They've been trying not to fire him...mainly because UCLA doesn't want to pay the buyout.

 

God I hope he stays away from Texas.

 

texas poached one of our two good recruiters. thanks. not even sure why. it's not like they have trouble selling kids on the school. wouldve made more sense to get a superior coach.

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I've heard Norm Chow will be leaving UCLA. They've been trying not to fire him...mainly because UCLA doesn't want to pay the buyout.

 

God I hope he stays away from Texas.

 

texas poached one of our two good recruiters. thanks. not even sure why. it's not like they have trouble selling kids on the school. wouldve made more sense to get a superior coach.

 

We needed a good WR coach, OU fans loved him back when he was there. I am little surprised this happened before bringing in our OC. Still very doubtful that Major takes that on solely.

[javy knows my name]

There are some reports that if Garrett is names the HC for the Cowboys that Chryst will be heading to Dallas. If thats the case I am expecting Bryan Harsin to be heading the Texas.

 

Garrett's hired so Chryst should be on packing his stuff up in Madison?

 

Where do you see this?

Hahaha what?

[E.J.]

David Brandon's Evaluation Meeting with Rich Rodriguez

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Looks like Texas has brought in Bo Davis from Alabama, could be an interview but this late in the process it must be pretty serious. Rumors are that they have a tentative agreement with Chryst as well.

 

Still pretty clueless as for the DC, but I am guessing Jerry Gray.

[NewUserName]

David Brandon's Evaluation Meeting with Rich Rodriguez

 

I think they should keep him

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Looks like Texas has brought in Bo Davis from Alabama, could be an interview but this late in the process it must be pretty serious. Rumors are that they have a tentative agreement with Chryst as well.

 

Still pretty clueless as for the DC, but I am guessing Jerry Gray.

 

What type of timetable are you putting on getting Texas back to a BCS level program?

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Looks like Texas has brought in Bo Davis from Alabama, could be an interview but this late in the process it must be pretty serious. Rumors are that they have a tentative agreement with Chryst as well.

 

Still pretty clueless as for the DC, but I am guessing Jerry Gray.

 

What type of timetable are you putting on getting Texas back to a BCS level program?

 

2012 or 2013 at the latest. I am hoping for 8 wins next season, and competing for a BCS spot the year after. #2 recruiting class last year, currently #1 this year and the level of HS talent for the next recruiting class just in the state of Texas is great (Jonathan Grey and Mario Edwards will both be top 10 nationally).