Sandberg leaves Cubs Organization

[erik316wttn]

He doesn't come off as a petulant, whiny bitch at all

Because he prefers to seek a major league job over returning to the minors? It's not like he turned down a job on Quade's staff.

 

What a jackass for seeking a managerial opportunity!

[javy knows my name]

He doesn't come off as a petulant, whiny bitch at all

Because he prefers to seek a major league job over returning to the minors? It's not like he turned down a job on Quade's staff.

 

What a jackass for seeking a managerial opportunity!

I'm still waiting for somebody to spill the identify of all these teams that covet Ryno's services so. It's not like he can't field job offers while staying on with the organization. He quit because we hurt his feelings and he's acting like a spoiled child.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Rosner is on the Score right now making an ass out of himself. He's throwing out a theory that the Cubs were trying to make it difficult for the I-Cubs to succeed so Sandberg would fail.

 

It's embarrassing.

[scarey]

Why does this make people happy? I realize everybody here was scared [expletive] about him becoming the manager... but he didn't become the manager. What's there to be happy about exactly? Not that anyone should be especially outraged, I just don't understand why anyone would be happy about this.

 

Because I think he is a liability to the organization serving as a coach.

 

I did post questioning your reasoning, but I think it all boils down to this: I just don't understand this point of view. I have my assumptions, but in the end it just doesn't matter. My guess is you wouldn't convince me and I wouldn't convince you.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why does this make people happy? I realize everybody here was scared [expletive] about him becoming the manager... but he didn't become the manager. What's there to be happy about exactly? Not that anyone should be especially outraged, I just don't understand why anyone would be happy about this.

 

Because I think he is a liability to the organization serving as a coach.

 

I did post questioning your reasoning, but I think it all boils down to this: I just don't understand this point of view. I have my assumptions, but in the end it just doesn't matter. My guess is you wouldn't convince me and I wouldn't convince you.

 

What don't you understand? I can see you disagreeing, but what don't you understand?

[erik316wttn]

He doesn't come off as a petulant, whiny bitch at all

Because he prefers to seek a major league job over returning to the minors? It's not like he turned down a job on Quade's staff.

 

What a jackass for seeking a managerial opportunity!

I'm still waiting for somebody to spill the identify of all these teams that covet Ryno's services so. It's not like he can't field job offers while staying on with the organization. He quit because we hurt his feelings and he's acting like a spoiled child.

 

So then he's not allowed to pursue his dreams elsewhere?

 

If you think there's no market right now for Ryno as an MLB manager, that's fine. You're probably even right. But if there isn't and nobody hires him, I don't think he's a jerk for necessarily overvaluing himself. I didn't want him as manager either, but I don't think he's a jerk for trying to pursue a goal.

 

And if he stays on with the organization, what kind of a message does that send? "I'm only here until someone else hires me?" Then the Cubs have a bench coach (granted not the most important of personnel decisions, but still) who doesn't want to be here, and then they have to look for another one. And wouldn't other teams have to get permission from the Cubs to talk to him? This probably just saves everyone some hassle. I think it's good that he gets it out of the way now so the Cubs have the entire offseason to move forward with coaching staff and other personnel and on-field decisions.

[scarey]

Why does this make people happy? I realize everybody here was scared [expletive] about him becoming the manager... but he didn't become the manager. What's there to be happy about exactly? Not that anyone should be especially outraged, I just don't understand why anyone would be happy about this.

 

Because I think he is a liability to the organization serving as a coach.

 

I did post questioning your reasoning, but I think it all boils down to this: I just don't understand this point of view. I have my assumptions, but in the end it just doesn't matter. My guess is you wouldn't convince me and I wouldn't convince you.

 

What don't you understand? I can see you disagreeing, but what don't you understand?

 

 

I don't understand how he can be that much of a liability just being a part of the organization, even as a coach.

 

Honestly, how many more losses do you think the 2011 Cubs would have with Sandberg as the bench coach?

 

You don't have to answer that, I'm just explaining how I don't understand your pleasure.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't understand how he can be that much of a liability just being a part of the organization, even as a coach.

 

Honestly, how many more losses do you think the 2011 Cubs would have with Sandberg as the bench coach?

 

You don't have to answer that, I'm just explaining how I don't understand your pleasure.

 

2011 win/loss record isn't the end measurement. I think Sandberg's obsessions about how the game should be played in the long run will have a negative effect on the team. I think he made a clown of himself by getting thrown out so often in order to prove he's serious or something. I think the fact that after 4 years of coaching he refuses to stay in the minors and insists on leaving the organization because he didn't get the job indicates a delusional mindset. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing better jobs, but you can do it without cutting ties to your current organization before actually getting a better job. Ryno made it clear he had no interest in being a bench coach, it was all or nothing for him. Don Mattingly spent 7 years as an instructor and another 6 as either bench/hitting coach before getting a gig. Willie Randolph spent 11 years as a coach. All sorts of guys have spent decades coaching in the minors before getting a shot in the bigs. Ryno spent 4 years coaching in the minors, receiving a promotion every year, and he up and leaves after 1 season of AAA ball? It's not a matter of pursuing better jobs, any organization is going to allow a minor league coach to take a major league job elsewhere. Sandberg left before he had any other gig. That's petulent behavior, which is something he displayed as a coach repeatedly.

[javy knows my name]

He doesn't come off as a petulant, whiny bitch at all

Because he prefers to seek a major league job over returning to the minors? It's not like he turned down a job on Quade's staff.

 

What a jackass for seeking a managerial opportunity!

I'm still waiting for somebody to spill the identify of all these teams that covet Ryno's services so. It's not like he can't field job offers while staying on with the organization. He quit because we hurt his feelings and he's acting like a spoiled child.

 

So then he's not allowed to pursue his dreams elsewhere?

 

If you think there's no market right now for Ryno as an MLB manager, that's fine. You're probably even right. But if there isn't and nobody hires him, I don't think he's a jerk for necessarily overvaluing himself. I didn't want him as manager either, but I don't think he's a jerk for trying to pursue a goal.

 

And if he stays on with the organization, what kind of a message does that send? "I'm only here until someone else hires me?" Then the Cubs have a bench coach (granted not the most important of personnel decisions, but still) who doesn't want to be here, and then they have to look for another one. And wouldn't other teams have to get permission from the Cubs to talk to him? This probably just saves everyone some hassle. I think it's good that he gets it out of the way now so the Cubs have the entire offseason to move forward with coaching staff and other personnel and on-field decisions.

I'm not sure how storming off from a nice gig with the Cubs because he was shunned from a big league manager role is going to help him achieve his goal. Not sure teams are going to look favorably upon that.

 

Your second paragraph makes logical sense, and if that's his reasoning for walking away, then I have no problem. But I don't think that's the case, and for the most part, I think prospective major league teams would agree with me.

[Guest]

Maybe Cubette was right all along?

 

It really seems weird that he would have such a sense of entitlement.

[17 Seconds]

Why does this make people happy? I realize everybody here was scared [expletive] about him becoming the manager... but he didn't become the manager. What's there to be happy about exactly? Not that anyone should be especially outraged, I just don't understand why anyone would be happy about this.

 

for me personally he seems like he'll make a really bad manager (and even if he didn't make it as our manager this season, he'd have still been waiting in the wings), and also he just seems like a big prick to me.

 

he was a little bit before my time so i don't really have that emotional connection to him from watching him play. all i really know him as is a guy who seems like an a-hole and a bad manager.

[Backtobanks]

I get a kick out of the argument that Sandberg would just "be here until somebody else hires me". Every coach and minor league manager is waiting for a major league manager's job and would leave as soon as one is offered. Sandberg has every right to leave, but I don't see any teams lining up to hire him. At least in the Cubs' organization he has celebrity status.

[kente777]

all i really know him as is a guy who seems like an a-hole and a bad manager.

 

Wow

[Benchwarmer]

I wish him well. I see his point that he may have felt his Cubbie heritage would move him to the front of the line, but now he has to go elsewhere. I hope he succeeds.

[ScrubMD]

Why are so many people assuming he feels entitled to everything? He wanted a job, he didn't get it, he's going to look elsewhere. He hasn't gone around bitching and moaning, he's just quietly and respectfully said he doesn't want to manage the Cubs AAA team. He's a millionaire that doesn't need a minor league coaching job. I imagine he'll look for a major league job and if he doesn't get one, he'll go play golf and shoot quail or whatever the hell retired rich people do. I just don't see how any of this reflects poorly on him.

[bhogg]

Yeah, I don't understand the negativity towards Sandberg. The guy has never spoken poorly of the organization and generally represents the Cubs very well. When the Cubs got rid of Dusty, he showed interest and Hendry played the "no experience" card and gave him a job in class A. It looks like he's done everything the Cubs have asked of him, so it's understandable why he would be unhappy about not getting the job.

 

I doubt he says anything derogatory about the club and his Cub legacy will probably not take a hit.

 

I certainly wish him the best. It's also possible that once Hendry is gone, Sandberg may be considered again. Anything is possible.

 

 

At the same time, I understand why the cubs were hesitant to hire him. What baffles me is that Quade was given a 2 year deal.

[Old Style]

Maybe it was made clear to Ryno behind closed doors that the organization had no intention of promoting him even in a few years when Quade may be gone. Hendry told Trammel that he had no future with the organization, so he left. It is possible the same thing happened with Sandberg.

[Sammy Sofa]

Because he likely could have kept coaching in the minors. Why rock that boat? He likely needs significantly more coaching experience under his belt before another team will hire him to manage.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

For everyone who thinks Sandberg deserved the job, how many of you would be happy if we signed a HOF player who played his career for another team with only 4 years minor league managerial experience?

 

The fact of it is, if he weren't Ryne Sandberg, no one would want a guy whose only experience was managing once at each level from A-AAA.

 

His experience as a coach/manager is still very limited.

[17 Seconds]

all i really know him as is a guy who seems like an a-hole and a bad manager.

 

Wow

 

?

 

i don't even think those are 2 very heretic opinions, at least on this board.

[hardcorecubfan]

So, when Sandberg doesn't get a major league gig, and I don't think he will, is he going to go work in the minors for some team or just sit around the house waiting for that job as someone's major league manager?

 

I like Sandberg and he was my favorite player, but Quade was more qualified and experienced for the job. How many managers do you know that got a major league job with only four years minor league managing experience? I'm sure there are some, but I bet most have far more experience.

 

Doesn't mean he wouldn't have been a good fit as the bench coach. With the Cubs in transition and bringing up a lot of these young players that Sandberg has coached and been around the last four years would have been very beneficial to the Cubs and these players.

 

Listach also has been around these players. Listach worked in the system for quite awhile too. Based on experience as minor league manager and coaching, Listach is more qualified than Sandberg.

 

While Sandberg has the name and illustrious playing career, he's still relatively inexperienced in coaching/managing.

 

but fairly successful at all the levels he has coached, even if this year we used every minor leaguer we had at pitcher.

 

I would have loved to here from player who played for him.

[loukycub]

For everyone who thinks Sandberg deserved the job, how many of you would be happy if we signed a HOF player who played his career for another team with only 4 years minor league managerial experience?

 

The fact of it is, if he weren't Ryne Sandberg, no one would want a guy whose only experience was managing once at each level from A-AAA.

 

His experience as a coach/manager is still very limited.

 

this is how i see it. subtract the name and look at his resume. i still see a man who only has 4 years of baseball coaching experience. there have been other baseball coaches who have put more years in and been more successful than sandberg was who still don't have a major league job. rick sweet for example has spent 7 years here in louisville as manager of the louisville bats and has 3 straight division titles to his credit, this after spending time the years before at chattanooga. according to the apparent thinking here, sweet should have been managing the cincinnati reds for the last 6 years now.

 

i have no basis in thinking this, but ryne's promotion year after year leads me to believe that in 2006 sandberg went into the organization thinking that as soon as lou's contract was up, he would be anointed the job just because he was cubs hall of fame legend ryne sandberg.

[Guest]

For everyone who thinks Sandberg deserved the job, how many of you would be happy if we signed a HOF player who played his career for another team with only 4 years minor league managerial experience?

 

The fact of it is, if he weren't Ryne Sandberg, no one would want a guy whose only experience was managing once at each level from A-AAA.

 

His experience as a coach/manager is still very limited.

 

this is how i see it. subtract the name and look at his resume. i still see a man who only has 4 years of baseball coaching experience. there have been other baseball coaches who have put more years in and been more successful than sandberg was who still don't have a major league job. rick sweet for example has spent 7 years here in louisville as manager of the louisville bats and has 3 straight division titles to his credit, this after spending time the years before at chattanooga. according to the apparent thinking here, sweet should have been managing the cincinnati reds for the last 6 years now.

 

i have no basis in thinking this, but ryne's promotion year after year leads me to believe that in 2006 sandberg went into the organization thinking that as soon as lou's contract was up, he would be anointed the job just because he was cubs hall of fame legend ryne sandberg.

 

Yeah. If minor league success was the biggest factor, there are plenty of other guys (Sacramento River Cats' Tony DeFrancesco also comes to mind) who are much, much more deserving than Sandberg is.

[SouthSideRyan]

So, when Sandberg doesn't get a major league gig, and I don't think he will, is he going to go work in the minors for some team or just sit around the house waiting for that job as someone's major league manager?

 

I like Sandberg and he was my favorite player, but Quade was more qualified and experienced for the job. How many managers do you know that got a major league job with only four years minor league managing experience? I'm sure there are some, but I bet most have far more experience.

 

Doesn't mean he wouldn't have been a good fit as the bench coach. With the Cubs in transition and bringing up a lot of these young players that Sandberg has coached and been around the last four years would have been very beneficial to the Cubs and these players.

 

Listach also has been around these players. Listach worked in the system for quite awhile too. Based on experience as minor league manager and coaching, Listach is more qualified than Sandberg.

 

While Sandberg has the name and illustrious playing career, he's still relatively inexperienced in coaching/managing.

 

but fairly successful at all the levels he has coached, even if this year we used every minor leaguer we had at pitcher.

 

I would have loved to here from player who played for him.

 

He hadn't been "fairly successful at all levels" He had 1 good season (this past year)

[Sammy Sofa]

But he rode the bus for four years.

 

FOUR WHOLE YEARS.