2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Guest]

BTW Simmons posted Part 2 of his NBA rankings, had a long section on why Rose is his MVP, and picks the Bulls to lose in 6 to the Lakers in the Finals. Lots of high praise for the Bulls. I wonder how much of that he wrote after last night.

 

I'd love to see a Bulls-Lakers Finals because it would mean there's no chance of Boston or Miami winning the title. I'll definitely be rooting for the Bulls to come out of the East regardless of what happens with the Lakers.

[SpongeWorthy]

Derrick Rose has the greatest crossover dribble in the history of Western Civilization.

 

Edit:

that's [expletive] art

[SouthSideRyan]

Yes, I feel the Bulls are a better matchup for the Celtics (as currently constructed) than the Magic. Obviously, I'd prefer face the Hawks or Pacers, but that's not realistic.

 

It'd also be nice to actually get to the ECF

[UMFan83]

Yes, I feel the Bulls are a better matchup for the Celtics (as currently constructed) than the Magic. Obviously, I'd prefer face the Hawks or Pacers, but that's not realistic.

 

It'd also be nice to actually get to the ECF

 

Id rather the Bulls face the Celtics than the Heat (but not by a lot), so lets hope we both get what we want.

[Guest]

Derrick Rose has the greatest crossover dribble in the history of Western Civilization.

 

Edit:

that's [expletive] art

 

That was a big enough carry that it might have been a travel(couldn't tell exactly with the camera angle).

[Guest]

I think the Celtics will beat the Heat. Not sure who I'd prefer if the Bulls advance to the ECF but hey, you have to beat good teams to get to the Finals.

[SouthSideRyan]

Derrick Rose has the greatest crossover dribble in the history of Western Civilization.

 

Edit:

that's [expletive] art

 

That was a big enough carry that it might have been a travel(couldn't tell exactly with the camera angle).

 

Haha, just watched it, he carried it about 4 times.

[Guest]

I mean, I'm not the guy yelling "IN MY DAY IF YOU TOUCHED THE SIDE OF THE BALL YOU GOT 40 LASHINGS", but it's definitely more evidence of success in gamesmanship than proof of insane ball handling ability.

[CubColtPacer]

I mean, I'm not the guy yelling "IN MY DAY IF YOU TOUCHED THE SIDE OF THE BALL YOU GOT 40 LASHINGS", but it's definitely more evidence of success in gamesmanship than proof of insane ball handling ability.

 

Right before the crossover is the worst carry IMO. He dribbles it pretty much straight up and down and he's a couple feet to the left by the next time the ball goes down again. It's hard to tell exactly what happens on the actual crossover but that could be a carry as well.

[SpongeWorthy]

You guys are talking about a carry like it's ever called.

[Magnetic Curses]

i watched it again and again, and it's clear that he was whistling on the sabbath at the start of the clip. i can't tell though, after the crossover, he may have been whistling too

[17 Seconds]

BTW Simmons posted Part 2 of his NBA rankings, had a long section on why Rose is his MVP, and picks the Bulls to lose in 6 to the Lakers in the Finals. Lots of high praise for the Bulls. I wonder how much of that he wrote after last night.

 

 

He was predicting that a while ago when he went on a twitter tirade about the Celtics blowing the 1 seed. So he was probably thinking that (if not writing it) long before last night.

 

simmons was pimping the bulls before the season started

[Careless]

Lol Noah (the bulls inbound with .4 seconds left in the half and noah sank a 26 foot semi-jump hook)

[Careless]

They just called a lane violation :shock:

[bukie]

That'll do it, 59 wins and the 1 seed locked up. Now all that's left to play for is to see if they can hit 60 wins and catch the Spurs.

 

EDIT: And beat the Knicks to be the only team to beat every other team.

[BigSlick]

Props to Tom Thibideau. Going from Del Negro to Thibs might be the biggest factor of them all. Thibs definitely deserves coach of the year.

 

No one else even deserves a vote, honestly.

 

A decent chunk of the media still seems bent on Pops though. Honestly, I'd say Thibs is definitely more deserving of CoY than Rose is of MVP.

 

Well yeah, because Thibs actually deserves his award.

 

Just curious, but who's been more valuable to his team than Rose this year?

I just want to point out how much I hate that line of thinking for MVP awards. Do you see it get drudged up in Baseball MVP debates? well sometimes, but by morons. But in general, what difference does it make when Albert Pujols cracks 49 homers for the Pirates of the Cardinals or the Braves of the Yankees? His value remains constant, I don:t care what the nebulous *for his team* nonsense means

[Careless]

I just want to point out how much I hate that line of thinking for MVP awards. Do you see it get drudged up in Baseball MVP debates? well sometimes, but by morons. But in general, what difference does it make when Albert Pujols cracks 49 homers for the Pirates of the Cardinals or the Braves of the Yankees? His value remains constant, I don:t care what the nebulous *for his team* nonsense means

Even simple baseball stats tell us more about the game than the best basketball stats tell us about that game. Pujols doesn't jump in front of another Cardinal batter to take his AB and hit a home run (or not).

[Flames24Rulz]

I just want to point out how much I hate that line of thinking for MVP awards. Do you see it get drudged up in Baseball MVP debates? well sometimes, but by morons. But in general, what difference does it make when Albert Pujols cracks 49 homers for the Pirates of the Cardinals or the Braves of the Yankees? His value remains constant, I don:t care what the nebulous *for his team* nonsense means

 

That's fine. Change the name of the award, then. It's the Most "Valuable" Player, not the Most Outstanding Player. Kobe would have like seven MVP's and LeBron would win it virtually every year if that were the case.

[bukie]

Simple sportswriter logic:

 

A. Sportswriters vote on the MVP.

B. Sportswriters love a good story.

C. Therefore, Sportswriters will always vote the best story as MVP.

D. Rose is easily the best story in the NBA this year, thus Rose -> MVP.

[imb]

I just want to point out how much I hate that line of thinking for MVP awards. Do you see it get drudged up in Baseball MVP debates? well sometimes, but by morons. But in general, what difference does it make when Albert Pujols cracks 49 homers for the Pirates of the Cardinals or the Braves of the Yankees? His value remains constant, I don:t care what the nebulous *for his team* nonsense means

 

That's fine. Change the name of the award, then. It's the Most "Valuable" Player, not the Most Outstanding Player. Kobe would have like seven MVP's and LeBron would win it virtually every year if that were the case.

 

i dont think you're grasping the meaning of the word value

[minnesotacubsfan]

i watched it again and again, and it's clear that he was whistling on the sabbath at the start of the clip. i can't tell though, after the crossover, he may have been whistling too

[Guest]

Simmons is awesome

 

The more I watch this Celtics team, the more I realized that they were overachieving those first 3½ months because of chemistry and swagger. Watching Chicago rough them up Thursday was pretty depressing. Keith Bogans pushed Ray Allen around like a rag doll. Kurt Thomas and Glen Davis fell into a heap, then Thomas jumped up and stood over Davis like he had just tripped him in a prison cafeteria and wanted to send him a message before they both got sent to the hole. Joakim Noah pranced around and did Noah things knowing that everyone had his back. With 20 seconds left in a blowout, Carlos Boozer got tangled with Nenad Krstic and decided to shove him six feet, got called for a foul, then stared him down before sauntering back to his bench and being greeted by smiling teammates. Honestly, it was like watching a deleted Cobra Kai scene. The trade was bad enough -- watching my team get punked out on national TV was something else. That game made me ill. So does the trade. I don't know what the Celtics are anymore, and neither do they.

[Guest]

Oh, and btw, I don't think you can compare the way an MVP should be awarded in baseball and basketball. Not even close.

 

Nor is statistical analysis nearly at the point (nor do I think it ever will be, not when the gold standard metric has Kevin Love having more value than Derrick Rose) in basketball that it is in baseball.

 

 

In basketball, one player can have a far greater impact on his team's W-L record. I can't see a team that isn't one of the top few in the league having someone deserving of MVP. In baseball, you shouldn't penalize Albert Pujols for hitting .350/.420/.600 because he happens to be on an 81 win team.

 

It's not just that in basketball he's one of 5 guys vs. being one of 9 in baseball. It's the fact that the basketball player can take on as much of a role as he wants to, while the baseball guy has his opportunities limited by rule.

 

 

EDIT - responding to this

 

I just want to point out how much I hate that line of thinking for MVP awards. Do you see it get drudged up in Baseball MVP debates? well sometimes, but by morons. But in general, what difference does it make when Albert Pujols cracks 49 homers for the Pirates of the Cardinals or the Braves of the Yankees? His value remains constant, I don:t care what the nebulous *for his team* nonsense means

Edited April 9, 2011 by David

[Guest]

Derrick Rose has the greatest crossover dribble in the history of Western Civilization.

 

Edit:

that's [expletive] art

 

That was a big enough carry that it might have been a travel(couldn't tell exactly with the camera angle).

 

Haha, just watched it, he carried it about 4 times.

 

 

What do you call Rondo's little cradle move, when he palms the ball, takes 2 steps, pulls it back, takes two more steps, and then passes it to the guy behind him when he has a wide open layup in front of him?

[imb]

Dwight Howard is going to get penalized because he doesn't dribble the ball up the court and he's had a good season before.