2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[SouthSideRyan]

I like all Van Gundys(Gundies?) regardless of creed, race, or body type

[Tyrant]

Capture that in PER you [expletive] goofus Hollinger

 

Uh, he will?

[UMFan83]

At this point it looks like Miami is going to be the toughest barrier to the finals. Bulls were 3-0 against them but had to have been by a combined 10 points. Not saying that I don't think we can win, just that it'll be tough.

 

Boston looks awful.

[Derwood]

At this point it looks like Miami is going to be the toughest barrier to the finals. Bulls were 3-0 against them but had to have been by a combined 10 points. Not saying that I don't think we can win, just that it'll be tough.

 

Boston looks awful.

 

No, no.......Boston is just resting

[Careless]

At this point it looks like Miami is going to be the toughest barrier to the finals. Bulls were 3-0 against them but had to have been by a combined 10 points. Not saying that I don't think we can win, just that it'll be tough.

 

Boston looks awful.

10 points including a game with no lebron. Yeah, we've got home court with both, I definitely would prefer the Celts

[ctcf]

Either will be scary when the time comes.

 

And again... 60 wins. Holy crap.

[Banedon]

Ugly game today. I don't know if I want Noah to just sit for the final 2 games, or if I want him to be out there getting his rhythm...

 

Asik and Boozer both need to play with some stickum on their hands. Especially Boozer today...good lord man.

[bukie]

Wouldn't have guessed at the beginning of the year (or even 20 games in) that the Bulls would finish 10 games better than Orlando.

[Careless]

Hard to believe that if the Bulls make the finals, they've got a 80% or so chance of having home court advantage.

[Andy]

The Blackhawks' first home games in the playoffs are on the Sunday and Tuesday following the beginning of the playoffs. So we can be fairly certain the Bulls will not be playing either day. Get ready for a Saturday/Wednesday beginning (assuming the NBA pulls their usual BS of dragging the first round into oblivion).

[chuckywang]

Hard to believe that if the Bulls make the finals, they've got a 80% or so chance of having home court advantage.

 

You're giving a 20% chance to the scenario of the Spurs ending up with a better record than the Bulls AND the Spurs making the Finals?

[UMFan83]

The Blackhawks' first home games in the playoffs are on the Sunday and Tuesday following the beginning of the playoffs. So we can be fairly certain the Bulls will not be playing either day. Get ready for a Saturday/Wednesday beginning (assuming the NBA pulls their usual BS of dragging the first round into oblivion).

 

Even with how stretched out the NBA makes their first rounds, there is no way they give 3 off days between games 1 and 2. I don't think they ever do that even when traveling.

 

It will be Saturday/Monday and the UC will be rocking 4 straight days

 

I'm guessing the series will be something like:

 

Saturday - Monday - Thursday - Saturday - Tuesday - Thursday - Saturday/Sunday

[bukie]

Fun stat: Only 8 rookies have a positive +/-. Omer Asik is +232. Next best is Gary Neal at +109.

[bukie]

Two games to go, but here are the top 10 players in Defensive Win Shares:

 

1. Dwight Howard 7.4

2. Kevin Garnett 5.6

3. Andrew Bogut 5.1

4. Paul Pierce 5.1

5. Luol Deng 5.1

6. LeBron James 5.1

7. Rajon Rondo 4.8

8. Derrick Rose 4.7

9. Dwyane Wade 4.6

10. Pau Gasol 4.5

 

Top 10 in Offensive Win Shares:

 

1. LeBron James 10.2

2. Pau Gasol 9.7

3. Chris Paul 9.6

4. Kevin Love 8.9

5. Kevin Durant 8.6

6. Derrick Rose 8.2

7. Kevin Martin 8.0

8. Dwyane Wade 7.9

9. Dirk Nowitzki 7.7

10. Lamarcus Aldridge 7.4

 

Overall Win Shares:

 

1. LeBron James 15.3

2. Pau Gasol 14.3

3. Dwight Howard 14.1

4. Chris Paul 14.0

5. Derrick Rose 12.9

6. Dwyane Wade 12.5

7. Kevin Durant 11.9

8. Paul Pierce 11.6

9. Kevin Love 11.5

10. Lamarcus Aldridge 10.9

[Old Style]

Fun stat: Only 8 rookies have a positive +/-. Omer Asik is +232. Next best is Gary Neal at +109.

He is clearly Rookie of the Year.

[bukie]

Hollinger's awards:

Rookie of the year: 1. Blake Griffin (duh); 2. Greg Monroe; 3. John Wall

Coach of the year: 1. Tom Thibodeau; 2. George Karl; 3. Gregg Popovich

Sixth man: 1. Lamar Odom; 2. Thaddeus Young; 3. James Harden

Most Improved player: 1. Darrell Arthur; 2. Derrick Rose; 3. Kevin Love

Defensive player of the year: 1. Dwight Howard; 2. Kevin Garnett; 3. Tony Allen

MVP: 1. Dwight Howard; 2. LeBron James; 3. Dwyane Wade; 4. Derrick Rose; 5. Dirk Nowitzki

Executive(s) of the year: 1. Gar Forman/John Paxson; 2. Masai Ujiri (Denver); 3. Pat Riley

All-NBA First team: Rose, Wade, James, Durant, Howard

All-NBA Second team: Paul, Bryant, Aldridge, Nowitzki, Gasol

All-NBA Third team: Westbrook, Ginobili, Pierce, Stoudemire, Love

 

EDIT: Hollinger's last word on the Derrick Rose story:

I'll throw in two side points that may interest only me, but what the heck. First, as near as I can tell, Rose has not spent a single second campaigning for this award, which I haven't seen anyone write about but which is a pretty remarkable display of maturity for a 22-year-old.

 

Second, presuming he does win, I would not consider it a mistake on par with the Allen Iverson vote in 2002 or the second Steve Nash win in 2006. It would be more similar to Nash's win in 2005 -- a down year for MVP candidates overall, allowing the figurehead player on an emergent 60-win team to ride a wave of momentum. It may look a little weird a couple of years down the road, because it's unlikely to be Rose's best season, but it could easily be his only MVP award. Further, I can't say I'm encouraged by the way we ended up here. But in the big picture, there have been far worse votes than this one.

[UMFan83]

Hahah that's hilarious.....2 weeks ago, he said Rose wasn't in the top 5, then on Friday I believe he said Rose and Wade were tied for 5th and now he's 4th.

 

Also, as recently as last week, Rose wasn't in his All-NBA 1st team.

 

Rose had a really good week last week, but it seems strange at this point that he would move up like that, especially in light of his "defense is the Bulls MVP" arguments.

 

Either way, I didn't like that people attacked Hollinger for not putting Rose as MVP. For a couple of reasons, 1 being that Rose isn't the clear MVP, second being that there is nothing wrong with having dissenting opinions.

 

that said, it felt like Hollinger went against Rose because everyone was on the rose bandwagon and he got a lot of exposure for his anti-rose rhetoric.

[Magnetic Curses]

pretty much backhanded compliments all-around from the outsider intelligencia.

 

[expletive] em

[bukie]

Hahah that's hilarious.....2 weeks ago, he said Rose wasn't in the top 5, then on Friday I believe he said Rose and Wade were tied for 5th and now he's 4th.

 

Also, as recently as last week, Rose wasn't in his All-NBA 1st team.

 

Rose had a really good week last week, but it seems strange at this point that he would move up like that, especially in light of his "defense is the Bulls MVP" arguments.

 

Either way, I didn't like that people attacked Hollinger for not putting Rose as MVP. For a couple of reasons, 1 being that Rose isn't the clear MVP, second being that there is nothing wrong with having dissenting opinions.

 

that said, it felt like Hollinger went against Rose because everyone was on the rose bandwagon and he got a lot of exposure for his anti-rose rhetoric.

Basically, he said since Rose was so good last week and Kobe/CP3 were so bad, he passed them on his list. Dirk too, apparently.

[Derwood]

It's pretty obvious that he's setting himself up so that when Rose wins the MVP, he can say he was onboard

[ctcf]

On another note, has anyone else tried reading those "5 on 5" things on ESPN.com? They might be some of the most brutally dumb things I've tried to read.

[SouthSideRyan]

It's pretty obvious that he's setting himself up so that when Rose wins the MVP, he can say he was onboard

 

That's what you got of that excerpt??

[bukie]

I think this is the crux of Hollinger's (and every other advanced stats user's) argument for MVP:

 

- LeBron, Howard and Wade are pretty clearly the best 3 players in the NBA this year, by almost any measure. Rose is in a mix of players 4-11 a clear step below the top 3. So, if the MVP is the best player, it's pretty clearly not Rose.

- If the MVP is the player that means the most to his team's success, such that his team would be awful without him there, that's also pretty clearly Howard.

- If the MVP is the best player on the best team, that's the Lakers and Kobe (or Gasol).

- So yes, Rose may be in the top 5 in everything, but he's never really first in anything, so it's difficult to make an objective argument for Rose to be singled out as the #1 candidate.

 

When any Rose counter-argument is completely subjective and biased (and sadly, every pro-Rose argument online is done by the least objective analysts in the business), it gets pretty annoying (understandably). Nobody has anything against Rose, nobody hates the way Rose plays, they just disagree with the subjectivity of the best story getting the MVP rather than any objective measure.

 

And I can totally see that. I can see valid, objective arguments that James or Howard should be MVP, and the only valid argument for Rose is that he's the best story, which is clearly subjective due to public perception.

[UMFan83]

I think there has to be some subjectivity in the argument though, along with advanced statistics.

 

I agree that Rose is not a clear MVP, but I think its fair that he's in the discussion. To me it doesn't seem insane that he would be the MVP like it did when Nash won it. Either way, I love that Rose has all but won it, and I don't care if hes not really the MVP.

[Brian]

I don't get why people get so up in arms over "non-deserving" people winning things like this. Most Valuable Player doesn't mean anything, as far as I know it doesn't have a definition. It's really just something for sports writers to fill pages.