Blackhawks 2010-2011 season

[bcl412]

Needed that. Show up against Detroit now.

[UMFan83]

Nice! Not the optimal outcome but the next best possible outcome. Hawks need 3 points this weekend to guarantee a playoff spot. Gonna be tough but I'd rather be in our position than Dallas.

 

We are only 2 points out of 4th place LOL.

[Flames24Rulz]

TAZER! Thank Jebus.

[UMFan83]

Scenarios (just for Dallas for now....Ill do anaheim later):

 

1 out of 4 points: Blackhawks require one Dallas regulation loss or one OTL and 0 regulation victories

2 out of 4 points (regulation win): Stars must lose either in regulation or OT or Dallas is held to 1 regulation victory.

2 out of 4 points (non-regulation win): Stars must lose in regulation or Dallas has 0 regulation victories.

3 out of 4 points or better: Blackhawks make playoffs.

 

Calgary can no longer make the playoffs at our expense, but I believe they can still make the playoffs over Anaheim or maybe one of those other teams. I'll look at it in a bit.

Edited April 7, 2011 by UMFan83

[Flames24Rulz]

What about Phoenix and LA? They're playing each other right now (both have 96 points so obviously we're rooting for the game to end in regulation). Phoenix ends with a home and home against San Jose while LA ends with a home and home against Anaheim. I think we'd have the tiebreaker over Phoenix if we did end up tied with them, correct?

[bcl412]

I know Detroit can still get the 2 seed but it'd be great if they didn't try these last two games.

[Old Style]

TAZER! Thank Jebus.

indeed

[hawkeyecub]

Disappointing that they could only put together a good 2nd and blew a chance to win in regulation by being sloppy and dumb for the 3 Blues goals. Still at least they got 2 and didn't require the shootout.

[Flames24Rulz]

Ducks up 3-0 on the Sharks. Not good.

[UMFan83]

Weird, I am going through tiebreakers for each one of the 4-9 seeds in the West. LA and Phoenix are about as close as can get. If LA wins this game by 2 goals in regulation (currently 2-2 in 2nd intermission), them and PHX will be tied in regulation wins, tied in H2H (3-3-0) and tied in goal differential. ESPN's tiebreaking procedures doesn't even address any tiebreakers after goal differential.

 

Of course if LA wins, they will be 2 points ahead but crazy anyways.

[UMFan83]

Here is where all the tiebreakers stand at the moment. Most of them are up in the air still to varying degrees.

 

Nashville vs. Dallas      Nashville (Dallas -2 in ROW, H2H tie)
Phoenix vs. Dallas        Phoenix (Dallas -2 in ROW, PHX H2H)
Los Angeles vs. Dallas    Phoenix (Dallas -1 in ROW, LA H2H)
Anaheim vs. Dallas        Anaheim (locked up)
Chicago vs. Dallas        Chicago (Dallas -1 in ROW, Dallas H2H)
Chicago vs. Anaheim       Anaheim (locked up)
Chicago vs. Los Angeles   Chicago (LA -1 in ROW, Chicago H2H)
Chicago vs. Phoenix       Chicago (PHX tied in ROW, tied H2H, Chi +25 GD)
Chicago vs. Nashville     Chicago (NAS tied in ROW, Chi H2H)
Anaheim vs. Los Angeles   Anaheim (locked up)
Anaheim vs. Phoenix       Anaheim (locked up)
Anaheim vs. Nashville     Anaheim (locked up)
Los Angeles vs. Phoenix   Phoenix (LA -1 in ROW, PHX H2H)
Los Angeles vs. Nashville Nashville (LA - 1 in ROW, LA H2H)
Phoenix vs. Nashville     Nashville (tied in ROW, tied in H2H, NAS +17 GD)

 

Anahiem has locked up all tiebreakers, so they are in great position with the likely win tonight. Blackhawks currently leading all tiebreakers except against Anaheim, but every single one of those tiebreakers is up in the air at the moment. The Blackhawks inability to secure a regulation victory in their last 7 games has hurt them.

Edited April 7, 2011 by UMFan83

[UMFan83]

I'm shocked that Phoenix and LA ended in a shootout last night.

[Brian707]

No regulation victory.

 

We no longer control the tiebreaker over Dallas. We MUST finish with more points than Dallas or hope for some help from them. This means regardless of how this OT goes, we'll likely need to get 3-4 points vs. Detroit.

 

 

Hi, I dont post here much but an OT victory counts just as much as a regulation victory. ROW(Regulation Overtime Wins the first tiebreaker). Hawks were not hurt by winning in OT last night, luckily no shootout. Nice job on the tiebreaking scenarios with all the teams involved BTW.

[UMFan83]

No regulation victory.

 

We no longer control the tiebreaker over Dallas. We MUST finish with more points than Dallas or hope for some help from them. This means regardless of how this OT goes, we'll likely need to get 3-4 points vs. Detroit.

 

 

Hi, I dont post here much but an OT victory counts just as much as a regulation victory. ROW(Regulation Overtime Wins the first tiebreaker). Hawks were not hurt by winning in OT last night, luckily no shootout. Nice job on the tiebreaking scenarios with all the teams involved BTW.

 

Wow really? I'm a [expletive] idiot. Thanks for pointing that out. You just made my day!

 

OK then GREAT win for Chicago last night.

 

Here is revised scenarios for the Hawks:

 

1 out of 4 points: Blackhawks require one Dallas regulation loss OR one OTL and 1 or less regulation victories

2 out of 4 points (regulation win): Stars must lose either in regulation or OT OR Dallas is held to 2 regulation victories (out of 3 games).

2 out of 4 points (non-regulation win): Stars must lose in regulation or OT OR Dallas is held to 1 regulation victory (out of 3).

3 out of 4 points or better: Blackhawks make playoffs.

[bukie]

Yeah, the only real downer from last night's results is that the Hawks can no longer get the 4 seed. Either LA or Anaheim (or both) will finish ahead of them.

[Butterscup1679666578]

No regulation victory.

 

We no longer control the tiebreaker over Dallas. We MUST finish with more points than Dallas or hope for some help from them. This means regardless of how this OT goes, we'll likely need to get 3-4 points vs. Detroit.

 

 

Hi, I dont post here much but an OT victory counts just as much as a regulation victory. ROW(Regulation Overtime Wins the first tiebreaker). Hawks were not hurt by winning in OT last night, luckily no shootout. Nice job on the tiebreaking scenarios with all the teams involved BTW.

 

Wow really? I'm a [expletive] idiot. Thanks for pointing that out. You just made my day!

 

OK then GREAT win for Chicago last night.

 

Here is revised scenarios for the Hawks:

 

1 out of 4 points: Blackhawks require one Dallas regulation loss OR one OTL and 1 or less regulation victories

2 out of 4 points (regulation win): Stars must lose either in regulation or OT OR Dallas is held to 2 regulation victories (out of 3 games).

2 out of 4 points (non-regulation win): Stars must lose in regulation or OT OR Dallas is held to 1 regulation victory (out of 3).

3 out of 4 points or better: Blackhawks make playoffs.

 

A recap from last night on Yahoo says 2 points clinches us a spot no matter what.

[UMFan83]

No regulation victory.

 

We no longer control the tiebreaker over Dallas. We MUST finish with more points than Dallas or hope for some help from them. This means regardless of how this OT goes, we'll likely need to get 3-4 points vs. Detroit.

 

 

Hi, I dont post here much but an OT victory counts just as much as a regulation victory. ROW(Regulation Overtime Wins the first tiebreaker). Hawks were not hurt by winning in OT last night, luckily no shootout. Nice job on the tiebreaking scenarios with all the teams involved BTW.

 

Wow really? I'm a [expletive] idiot. Thanks for pointing that out. You just made my day!

 

OK then GREAT win for Chicago last night.

 

Here is revised scenarios for the Hawks:

 

1 out of 4 points: Blackhawks require one Dallas regulation loss OR one OTL and 1 or less regulation victories

2 out of 4 points (regulation win): Stars must lose either in regulation or OT OR Dallas is held to 2 regulation victories (out of 3 games).

2 out of 4 points (non-regulation win): Stars must lose in regulation or OT OR Dallas is held to 1 regulation victory (out of 3).

3 out of 4 points or better: Blackhawks make playoffs.

 

A recap from last night on Yahoo says 2 points clinches us a spot no matter what.

 

I don't see how that's possible.

 

 

4. Los Angeles (2) 98 (clinched)

5. Nashville (2) 97

6. Phoenix (2) 97

7. Anaheim (2) 95

8. Chicago (2) 95

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9. Dallas (3) 91

 

Nashville wins twice

Phoenix wins twice

Anaheim wins twice (both over LA)

Dallas wins 3 times (all in regulation)

Blackhawks get 2 points on a non regulation win.

 

New standings:

 

4. Nashville - 101 (Clinched)

5. Phoenix - 101 (Clinched)

6. Anaheim - 99 (Clinched)

7. Los Angeles - 98 (Clinched)

8/9. Chicago - 97

8/9. Dallas - 97

 

So you go into tiebreakers...the first is ROW's.

 

Dallas - 38 ROW's

Chiacgo - 37 ROW's

 

Chicago is eliminated. If Dallas only gets to 37 ROW's then it goes to H2H, which Dallas also wins.

[UMFan83]

How's this for an odd fact? The Hawks, with 1 game left to play, have not had an OTL at home this year. The last time a team went an entire season without an OTL either at home OR on the road for an entire season was 6 years ago when Columbus did it at home. This was also the only other time something like this occured since the W-L-OTL system was implemented after the lockout.

[kujay]

Sort of puts this story in a bit different light:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-blackhawks-turco-canadiens-fan,0,7240519.story

 

Perhaps Marty should have still been focused on the game. But I'll cut him some slack.

[UMFan83]

Yup....not gonna get any help from Colorado. Stars up 2-0 after the 1st.

 

3 more points Hawks.

[UMFan83]

So Dallas of course won last night, pulling to within 2.

 

I don't need to talk about how critical this game is. A win really puts the pressure on Dallas. A regulation loss takes away the Hawks ability to control their own destiny and gives it to Dallas.

[bcl412]

So Dallas of course won last night, pulling to within 2.

 

I don't need to talk about how critical this game is. A win really puts the pressure on Dallas. A regulation loss takes away the Hawks ability to control their own destiny and gives it to Dallas.

 

Yep, at the very least they have to take it to OT. Winning would be huge.

[Brian707]

Hawks can clinch a playoff berth tonight with a regulation or OT win, plus one of, a Dallas regulation loss,OT loss, Shootout loss, or Shootout win

[Flames24Rulz]

Colorado's a lost cause. I think Dallas has a better shot of losing to Minnesota on Sunday, but I'm not optimistic there either.

[UMFan83]

Ignoring Anaheim for now (they are a Dallas regulation loss from clinching), here are all the scenarios that can occur tonight, and what the Hawks need on Sunday if the scenario comes true. This is long and I tried to double check it but there still might be an error somewhere, but I think its all right.

 

 

1) Hawks win regulation/OT, Stars win in regulation/OT.

What it means: Hawks remain 2 points up on Dallas and 1 up in ROWs.

To clinch on Sunday: Win OR Lose in OT OR Dallas loss (reg/OT or SO) OR Dallas wins in SO

To be eliminated on Sunday: 0 points AND Dallas win in regulation/OT

 

2) Hawks win in SO, Stars win in regulation/OT.

What it means: Hawks remain 2 points up on Dallas and tied in ROWs.

To clinch on Sunday: Win OR Lose in OT OR Dallas loss (reg/OT)

To be eliminated on Sunday: Loss AND any Dallas win

 

3) Hawks win in regulation/OT, Stars win in SO.

What it means: Hawks clinch ROW tiebreaker, thus clinch a playoff spot

 

4) Hawks win in SO, Stars win in SO.

What it means: Hawks remain 2 points up on Dallas and up 1 in ROWs

To clinch on Sunday: Win OR Lose in OT OR Dallas loss (regulation/OT or SO) OR Dallas wins in SO.

To be eliminated on Sunday: Loss in regulation AND a Dallas regulation/OT win

 

 

5) Hawks win in regulation/OT, Stars lose in regulation

What it means: Hawks clinch a playoff spot.

 

6) Hawks win in SO, Stars lose in regulation

What it means: Hawks clinch a playoff spot.

 

7) Hawks win in regulation/OT, Stars lose in SO

What it means: Hawks clinch a playoff spot

 

8) Hawks win in SO, Stars lose in SO

What it means: Hawks clinch a playoff spot

 

9) Hawks lose regulation/OT, Stars win in regulation/OT.

What it means: Hawks tied with Dallas and tied in tiebreaker.

To clinch on Sunday:

1) Win (regulation/OT) AND any Dallas loss OR Dallas win in SO OR

2) Win in SO AND any Dallas loss OR

3) Loss in OT/SO AND Dallas loss in regulation. (Basically, earn more points than Dallas on sunday unless you win in regulation/OT and Dallas wins in SO)

To be eliminated on Sunday:

1) Lose in regulation OR

2) Dallas win in regulation/OT OR

3) Lose in OT/SO AND Dallas loss in OT/SO OR Dallas win in regulation/OT or SO

 

10) Hawks lose in SO, Stars win in regulation/OT.

What it means: Hawks now 1 point up on Dallas and tied in ROWs.

To clinch on Sunday:

1) Win OR

2) Loss in regulation AND Dallas loss in regulation OR

3) Loss in OT/SO AND any Dallas loss

To be eliminated on Sunday:

1) Loss in regulation and any Dallas point

2) Loss in OT and any Dallas win

 

11) Hawks lose in regulation/OT, Stars win in SO.

What it means: Hawks now 1 point up on Dallas and 1 up on ROWs.

To clinch on Sunday: Any win OR Loss in OT/SO AND Dallas win in SO OR Dallas loss

To be eliminated on Sunday:

1) Loss in regulation AND any Stars win

2) Loss in OT/SO AND Stars win in regulation/OT

 

12) Hawks lose in OT/SO, Stars win in SO.

What it means: Hawks now 1 points up on Dallas and up 1 in ROWs.

To clinch on Sunday:

1) Win OR

2) Lose in OT AND any Dallas loss OR Dallas wins in SO.

3) Lose in regulation AND any Dallas loss

To be eliminated on Sunday:

1) Lose in regulation AND any Dallas win

2) Lose in OT/SO AND a Dallas regulation/OT win

 

13) Hawks lose in regulation, Stars lose in regulation

What it means: Hawks remain up by 2 points and up 1 in ROWs.

To clinch on Sunday: Win OR Lose in OT/SO OR any Dallas loss OR Dallas wins in SO

To be eliminated on Sunday: 0 points AND Dallas win in regulation/OT

 

14) Hawks lose in OT/SO, Stars lose in regulation

What it means: Hawks clinch a playoff spot.

 

15) Hawks lose in regulation, Stars lose in SO

What it means: Hawks now 1 point up and up 1 in ROW

To clinch on Sunday: Any win OR Loss in OT/SO AND Dallas win in SO OR Dallas loss

To be eliminated on Sunday:

1) Loss in regulation AND any Stars win

2) Loss in OT/SO AND Stars win in regulation/OT

 

16) Hawks lose in SO, Stars lose in SO

What it means: Hawks remain 2 points up on Dallas and up 1 in ROWs

To clinch on Sunday: Win OR Lose in OT/SO OR any Dallas loss OR Dallas wins in SO

To be eliminated on Sunday: 0 points AND Dallas win in regulation/OT

 

In 37.5% of the scenarios, the Hawks clinch tonight. In 0%, they are eliminated tonight.