NFL Week 1 (Sept. 9th-13th)

[dew1679666265]

I suppose all his ailments will be cured by a little change in venue.

 

The Titans know how to keep him happy and productive. It's a pain, but he's hands-down the best DT in the game when he's playing well.

[hawkeyecub]

I'm wondering why I'm not seeing Bruschi and others ranting about how desperate the Jets must be to have their head coach and owner fly down to meet with a player and beg him to come back to camp.

 

It's becoming the thing to do.

 

Send people down and stroke the ego, kiss the butay, whatever. Buy the guy something and tell him how much you love him, I don't know. Vikes did it with Favre, now the Jets with Revis. Probably other cases out there.

 

Seems silly to me, but then those teams that do it have experienced success with those players, so whatever puts wins up on the board.........that's what gets done.

 

Yeah I don't really care. I was just commenting on how Childress and the Vikings got blasted for being desperate but I never heard it mentioned in the Revis situation. Every team in the league is desperate for their best player.

[SpongeWorthy]

It's not going out on a limb or anything to predict that Matt Hassebeck might outplay Derek Anderson, Alex Smith, and a talented rookie who is liable to get killed by opposing defenses.

[Formerly Snayke]

Wow, that is a huge overstatement on Seattle. They are nowhere near as bad as the Rams last year. You have Trufant, Thomas, Tatpu, Curry all playmakers on the defense. Hasselback is still better than any QB in the division and likely better than most in the NFC

 

We'll see.

[dew1679666265]

It's not going out on a limb or anything to predict that Matt Hassebeck might outplay Derek Anderson, Alex Smith, and a talented rookie who is liable to get killed by opposing defenses.

 

Yeah, the stretch is saying possibly one of the best in the NFC. If he stays healthy all year and some players step up, it's possible. I don't know that he'll be better than Rodgers, Favre, Romo, McNabb, Ryan and Cutler. Stafford and Kolb have a chance to be better than a healthy Hasselbeck as well.

[ELCABALLO45]

NFC West- San Francisco, Arizona, Seattle, St. Louis

 

This might be the first seven-win division champion. And Seattle is awful the same way the Rams were awful last season. Hollowed out roster with zero playmakers on either side of the ball.

 

Wow, that is a huge overstatement on Seattle. They are nowhere near as bad as the Rams last year. You have Trufant, Thomas, Tatpu, Curry all playmakers on the defense. Hasselback is still better than any QB in the division and likely better than most in the NFC

 

What?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

NFC West- San Francisco, Arizona, Seattle, St. Louis

 

This might be the first seven-win division champion. And Seattle is awful the same way the Rams were awful last season. Hollowed out roster with zero playmakers on either side of the ball.

 

Wow, that is a huge overstatement on Seattle. They are nowhere near as bad as the Rams last year. You have Trufant, Thomas, Tatpu, Curry all playmakers on the defense. Hasselback is still better than any QB in the division and likely better than most in the NFC

 

What?

 

Yeah...Hasselback may be the best QB in the west, but I think more than half the NFC QB's are better than he is.

 

Brees, Rodgers, Favre, Romo, Manning, McNabb, Ryan, and Cutler are better than Hasselback. Then there's guys like Kolb and Stafford which could be better...it's debatable. But Hasselback isn't bad....he's just not that good either.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah I don't really care. I was just commenting on how Childress and the Vikings got blasted for being desperate but I never heard it mentioned in the Revis situation. Every team in the league is desperate for their best player.

 

Because one is grovelling to an attention whore and the other is a standard holdout negotiation.

[Soul]

NFC West- San Francisco, Arizona, Seattle, St. Louis

 

This might be the first seven-win division champion. And Seattle is awful the same way the Rams were awful last season. Hollowed out roster with zero playmakers on either side of the ball.

 

Wow, that is a huge overstatement on Seattle. They are nowhere near as bad as the Rams last year. You have Trufant, Thomas, Tatpu, Curry all playmakers on the defense. Hasselback is still better than any QB in the division and likely better than most in the NFC

 

What?

 

Yeah...Hasselback may be the best QB in the west, but I think more than half the NFC QB's are better than he is.

 

Brees, Rodgers, Favre, Romo, Manning, McNabb, Ryan, and Cutler are better than Hasselback. Then there's guys like Kolb and Stafford which could be better...it's debatable. But Hasselback isn't bad....he's just not that good either.

 

I'm going to defend hube's quote though. He didn't say Hasselbeck is one of the best QBs in the NFC. He said he's the best in the QB-poor NFC West, and possibly in the top 50% of the NFC.

 

It's really just saying he's probably a pretty average QB right now, but the rest of the division is bad at the position.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm going to defend hube's quote though. He didn't say Hasselbeck is one of the best QBs in the NFC. He said he's the best in the QB-poor NFC West, and possibly in the top 50% of the NFC.

 

It's really just saying he's probably a pretty average QB right now, but the rest of the division is bad at the position.

 

And he's probably wrong on both accounts.

[bcl412]

Hasselback may be the best in the division but only because the division isn't very good (although Alex Smith may even be better at this point and he's not that good). He's not even close to the best in the NFC and he may not be in the top half anymore.

[Guest]

I'm going to defend hube's quote though. He didn't say Hasselbeck is one of the best QBs in the NFC. He said he's the best in the QB-poor NFC West, and possibly in the top 50% of the NFC.

 

It's really just saying he's probably a pretty average QB right now, but the rest of the division is bad at the position.

 

Since when does "likely better than most in the NFC" translate to "possibly in the top 50%" or "a pretty average QB right now"?

 

When he says "likely better than most", he is absolutely saying that Hasselbeck is one of the best QB's in the NFC. Not sure how you can argue in his defense.

[Soul]

I'm going to defend hube's quote though. He didn't say Hasselbeck is one of the best QBs in the NFC. He said he's the best in the QB-poor NFC West, and possibly in the top 50% of the NFC.

 

It's really just saying he's probably a pretty average QB right now, but the rest of the division is bad at the position.

 

Since when does "likely better than most in the NFC" translate to "possibly in the top 50%" or "a pretty average QB right now"?

 

When he says "likely better than most", he is absolutely saying that Hasselbeck is one of the best QB's in the NFC. Not sure how you can argue in his defense.

 

If I have 100 QB, and I'm saying he's better than most, that could mean better than 51 of the QBs.

[ConstableRabbit]

I'm going to defend hube's quote though. He didn't say Hasselbeck is one of the best QBs in the NFC. He said he's the best in the QB-poor NFC West, and possibly in the top 50% of the NFC.

 

It's really just saying he's probably a pretty average QB right now, but the rest of the division is bad at the position.

 

Since when does "likely better than most in the NFC" translate to "possibly in the top 50%" or "a pretty average QB right now"?

 

When he says "likely better than most", he is absolutely saying that Hasselbeck is one of the best QB's in the NFC. Not sure how you can argue in his defense.

 

Most = majority (or more than 50%). Therefore, "better than most" literally means "better than 50%".

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm going to defend hube's quote though. He didn't say Hasselbeck is one of the best QBs in the NFC. He said he's the best in the QB-poor NFC West, and possibly in the top 50% of the NFC.

 

It's really just saying he's probably a pretty average QB right now, but the rest of the division is bad at the position.

 

Since when does "likely better than most in the NFC" translate to "possibly in the top 50%" or "a pretty average QB right now"?

 

When he says "likely better than most", he is absolutely saying that Hasselbeck is one of the best QB's in the NFC. Not sure how you can argue in his defense.

 

Most = majority (or more than 50%). Therefore, "better than most" literally means "better than 50%".

 

and still most likely wrong

[Guest]

I'm going to defend hube's quote though. He didn't say Hasselbeck is one of the best QBs in the NFC. He said he's the best in the QB-poor NFC West, and possibly in the top 50% of the NFC.

 

It's really just saying he's probably a pretty average QB right now, but the rest of the division is bad at the position.

 

Since when does "likely better than most in the NFC" translate to "possibly in the top 50%" or "a pretty average QB right now"?

 

When he says "likely better than most", he is absolutely saying that Hasselbeck is one of the best QB's in the NFC. Not sure how you can argue in his defense.

 

Most = majority (or more than 50%). Therefore, "better than most" literally means "better than 50%".

 

Okay, so if someone says "Adrian Peterson is one of the most dangerous running backs in the game today, all we can really take from that comment is that he's better than the middle point of runnings backs in the league?

 

And if a guy makes 51 free throws for every 100 he tosses up there, I guess it's safe to say that it was odd that he just missed that shot, because he makes them most of the time.

[ConstableRabbit]

I'm going to defend hube's quote though. He didn't say Hasselbeck is one of the best QBs in the NFC. He said he's the best in the QB-poor NFC West, and possibly in the top 50% of the NFC.

 

It's really just saying he's probably a pretty average QB right now, but the rest of the division is bad at the position.

 

Since when does "likely better than most in the NFC" translate to "possibly in the top 50%" or "a pretty average QB right now"?

 

When he says "likely better than most", he is absolutely saying that Hasselbeck is one of the best QB's in the NFC. Not sure how you can argue in his defense.

 

Most = majority (or more than 50%). Therefore, "better than most" literally means "better than 50%".

 

Okay, so if someone says "Adrian Peterson is one of the most dangerous running backs in the game today, all we can really take from that comment is that he's better than the middle point of runnings backs in the league?

 

And if a guy makes 51 free throws for every 100 he tosses up there, I guess it's safe to say that it was odd that he just missed that shot, because he makes them most of the time.

No. "One of the most dangerous" is different than "better than most".

 

For "one of the most dangerous" to mean that he's better than the middle point of running backs in the league, it'd have to mean that all running backs in the league are "dangerous." "Dangerous" is an added qualifier -- it's ordinal vs. nominal.

 

If a guy is a 51% FT shooter and he missed one it wouldn't necessarily be odd (sample size issue), but yes, it would be safe to say that he makes most of his free throws. I don't know why anyone would say "gee, he makes most of them" but they would be correct.

 

Don't see why this is so difficult to understand...

[Guest]

Come on, it's abundantly clear by the context that he wasn't saying "better than the midpoint!".

[hawkeyecub]

Yeah I don't really care. I was just commenting on how Childress and the Vikings got blasted for being desperate but I never heard it mentioned in the Revis situation. Every team in the league is desperate for their best player.

 

Because one is grovelling to an attention whore and the other is a standard holdout negotiation.

 

So what. That has nothing to do with the desperation. Teams get desperate when their best player isn't in the building. Bruschi and others acted like most successful franchises wouldn't be that desperate.

[ConstableRabbit]

Come on, it's abundantly clear by the context that he wasn't saying "better than the midpoint!".

Abundantly?

 

I'd say it might have been "moderately" clear, but certainly not "abundantly"

 

:D

[Guest]

Come on, it's abundantly clear by the context that he wasn't saying "better than the midpoint!".

Abundantly?

 

I'd say it might have been "moderately" clear, but certainly not "abundantly"

 

:D

 

Abundantly clear if you are mostly smart.

 

Moderately clear if you are mostly not so smart.

 

:hello: :good:

[mhuber92211]

Thanks to those for defending my statement. Ultimately, my point was that Hasselbeck is better than average but not elite anymore. I think McNabb and Hasselbeck at this stage of their careers are very similar. Both are capbale of winning games for their team and having a huge game, neither are likely to do so often enough to be counted on for excellence in every game.

[ELCABALLO45]

24 hours from now there will be pro football about to be played.....Im excited.

[NCCubFan]

Tom Brady was in a car accident this morning. He was banged up but reportedly refused medical treatment. He will be further examined by the Patriots' medical staff.

[OleMissCub]

Tom Brady was in a car accident this morning. He was banged up but reportedly refused medical treatment. He will be further examined by the Patriots' medical staff.

 

For anyone reading this who ever gets into something like this, ALWAYS go to the hospital, just as a way to CYA. Back injuries from car wrecks often don't manifest themselves for months or even years.