Re: 08/02 Milwaukee (Gallardo) @ CUBS (Wells) 7:05 CDT, WCIU

[lumafia]

Read the post. All of it as a whole points to just how bad the Cubs have been lately. If you only cherry pick it one piece here or one piece there and take it out of context as people on NSBB love to do, then yes, it's going to have a different meaning. Eat the whole pizza, not just a slice.

 

--Rockies batted around twice in one inning, getting 11 consecutive hits in the process, tying the Major League record and plating 12 runs

 

Against the Pirates on 4/22/10, the Brewers batted around in the 7th and again in the 9th, en route to a 20-0 victory. It's no "11 consecutive hits", but batting around twice in one game is batting around twice in one game.

 

--Lost 6 straight games

 

Pirates lost seven straight from 4/20-4/26

 

-- Allowed 26 hits in a game for the first time in 53 years.

 

Pirates allowed 25 hits in the aforementioned game against Milwaukee. Only one less.

 

-- The Brewers batted around in consecutive innings last night

 

The Brewers batted around in the 3rd and 8th innings against Pittsburgh on 4/26/10. This in addition to the previously mentioned game where they batted around twice against Pittsburgh only four days earlier.

 

-- Brewers also had 29 AB's with RISP last night-- only the 2nd time that has happened in a game since 1974

 

Brewers had 21 ABs with RISP in the 20-0 game against the Pirates. However, it would have been more if not for a couple of homeruns with two guys on base, as opposed to only one homer against the Cubs. Furthermore, while Milwaukee had 29 ABs wtih RISP against the Cubs, they tallied 12 hits for a .414 avg in those situations. Against Pittsburgh, they went 10-for-21, for a .476 avg with RISP.

 

-- Allowed 14 hits to the 2-3-4 hitters last night, the first time that has happened since at least 1961 anywhere in the majors

 

The 2-3-4 hitters are at least typically some of the better hitters in the lineup. The Pirates allowed the Brewers 6-9 hitters to go 11-for-22, including two hits by the pitcher. Later in the game, they gave up a hit to a relief pitcher that was inserted higher in the order on a double switch.

 

-- Had one of our best SP this year go on the DL with a freak and quite scary heart episode (I'll grant you that this had nothing to do with the Cubs play, but still)

 

This is irrelevant as it's not like an injury to any player was going to hurt the Cubs chances at this point in the season. The same can be said for the Pirates during their streak, even though it was April (sorry, Jake).

 

--Been outscored 63-17 in the previous week

 

Pirates were outscored 72-12 from 4/20 - 4/26.

 

-- Given up the cycle to a player, and allowing him to complete it on a walk-off HR, no less

 

The Pirates never even led late in any game during their streak to even allow for a walkoff. And while they didn't allow a cycle, Edmonds came close, hitting a single, two doubles, and a homer in one game. They also managed to give up four hits in a game to Greg Zaun of all people.

 

 

This is only looking at 2010. I'm sure if anyone went back through the years, they could find SEVERAL examples of bad weeks that rival or surpass what the Cubs have done.

 

Fair enough.

 

Henceforth, upon which time you find yourself wishing to refer to the suckiness of the Cubs, thou musteth include the Pirates.

[erik316wttn]

Read the post. All of it as a whole points to just how bad the Cubs have been lately. If you only cherry pick it one piece here or one piece there and take it out of context as people on NSBB love to do, then yes, it's going to have a different meaning. Eat the whole pizza, not just a slice.

 

--Rockies batted around twice in one inning, getting 11 consecutive hits in the process, tying the Major League record and plating 12 runs

 

Against the Pirates on 4/22/10, the Brewers batted around in the 7th and again in the 9th, en route to a 20-0 victory. It's no "11 consecutive hits", but batting around twice in one game is batting around twice in one game.

 

--Lost 6 straight games

 

Pirates lost seven straight from 4/20-4/26

 

-- Allowed 26 hits in a game for the first time in 53 years.

 

Pirates allowed 25 hits in the aforementioned game against Milwaukee. Only one less.

 

-- The Brewers batted around in consecutive innings last night

 

The Brewers batted around in the 3rd and 8th innings against Pittsburgh on 4/26/10. This in addition to the previously mentioned game where they batted around twice against Pittsburgh only four days earlier.

 

-- Brewers also had 29 AB's with RISP last night-- only the 2nd time that has happened in a game since 1974

 

Brewers had 21 ABs with RISP in the 20-0 game against the Pirates. However, it would have been more if not for a couple of homeruns with two guys on base, as opposed to only one homer against the Cubs. Furthermore, while Milwaukee had 29 ABs wtih RISP against the Cubs, they tallied 12 hits for a .414 avg in those situations. Against Pittsburgh, they went 10-for-21, for a .476 avg with RISP.

 

-- Allowed 14 hits to the 2-3-4 hitters last night, the first time that has happened since at least 1961 anywhere in the majors

 

The 2-3-4 hitters are at least typically some of the better hitters in the lineup. The Pirates allowed the Brewers 6-9 hitters to go 11-for-22, including two hits by the pitcher. Later in the game, they gave up a hit to a relief pitcher that was inserted higher in the order on a double switch.

 

-- Had one of our best SP this year go on the DL with a freak and quite scary heart episode (I'll grant you that this had nothing to do with the Cubs play, but still)

 

This is irrelevant as it's not like an injury to any player was going to hurt the Cubs chances at this point in the season. The same can be said for the Pirates during their streak, even though it was April (sorry, Jake).

 

--Been outscored 63-17 in the previous week

 

Pirates were outscored 72-12 from 4/20 - 4/26.

 

-- Given up the cycle to a player, and allowing him to complete it on a walk-off HR, no less

 

The Pirates never even led late in any game during their streak to even allow for a walkoff. And while they didn't allow a cycle, Edmonds came close, hitting a single, two doubles, and a homer in one game. They also managed to give up four hits in a game to Greg Zaun of all people.

 

 

This is only looking at 2010. I'm sure if anyone went back through the years, they could find SEVERAL examples of bad weeks that rival or surpass what the Cubs have done.

 

Fair enough.

 

Henceforth, upon which time you find yourself wishing to refer to the suckiness of the Cubs, thou musteth include the Pirates.

 

ONLY THE CUBS AND PIRATES SUCK THIS BAD!!

 

But then only the Cubs when they're playing the Pirates.

[SouthSideRyan]

Ok. You see that? Grassbass gave me what I asked for, he has shown that the Pirates had a worse week in April than the Cubs have currently. He actually researched and posted stats to debunk my points one by one. And, as I said if someone could do that, I would admit I was wrong. See how simple that was?

 

So here it is: I was wrong. I'm a man of my word.

 

Grassbass, you're a credit to NSBB, and I don't mean that sarcastically.

 

Here's the thing, I've often times pored over game logs to pull information like this, but at least then it was something tangible to look up. You're asking me to find a week period where bizarre circumstances happened in conjunction with each other. I knew you were wrong, it was common sense, I didn't feel like wasting my time to prove something so obvious. When I've done that in the past (i.e. wins, clutch, whatever anecdotal stuff is thrown out there) the person making the claim usually ignores the evidence anyway and comes back to post the same drivel 3 months later. I have no problem arguing logical arguments, but when you're side is based solely on your out-of-control emotions, then what's the point?

[jiml60]

Only a Cub fan on NSBB would have to read a thread that is worse than the week the Cubs had.

[Keener98]

Only a Cub fan on NSBB would have to read a thread that is worse than the week the Cubs had.

 

And why exactly did you HAVE to read the thread?

[jiml60]

The stupidity kept dragging me under.

[CubmanPi]

And yet the Cubs aren't even in the bottom 5 in MLB in record this year.

 

To pick a random line from a thread I didn't have the stomach to read and go in a related but different direction, the thing that really grinds my gears about this team is that they're tied with the Royals for 6th place MLB-wide in the Fecal League standings (tied with the Royals...puke), and doing it with the third-highest payroll in baseball. The only other team with a comparably laughable relationship between payroll and standings is the Mariners, who occupy the 3rd-worst record in baseball with the 9th-highest payroll.

[erik316wttn]

And yet the Cubs aren't even in the bottom 5 in MLB in record this year.

 

To pick a random line from a thread I didn't have the stomach to read and go in a related but different direction, the thing that really grinds my gears about this team is that they're tied with the Royals for 6th place MLB-wide in the Fecal League standings (tied with the Royals...puke), and doing it with the third-highest payroll in baseball. The only other team with a comparably laughable relationship between payroll and standings is the Mariners, who occupy the 3rd-worst record in baseball with the 9th-highest payroll.

 

We're only a half game behind the Indians for a bottom 5 spot!

 

edit: and now we're tied for the 5th worst record in all of baseball at 47-65, with KC and the Tribe. Woo!! The freaking Nationals are better than us.

[lumafia]

And yet the Cubs aren't even in the bottom 5 in MLB in record this year.

 

To pick a random line from a thread I didn't have the stomach to read and go in a related but different direction, the thing that really grinds my gears about this team is that they're tied with the Royals for 6th place MLB-wide in the Fecal League standings (tied with the Royals...puke), and doing it with the third-highest payroll in baseball. The only other team with a comparably laughable relationship between payroll and standings is the Mariners, who occupy the 3rd-worst record in baseball with the 9th-highest payroll.

 

We're only a half game behind the Indians for a bottom 5 spot!

 

edit: and now we're tied for the 5th worst record in all of baseball at 47-65, with KC and the Tribe. Woo!! The freaking Nationals are better than us.

 

I'm excited to see which toolsy, free-swinging high school player the Cubs will draft with a top 5 pick.