Re: 08/02 Milwaukee (Gallardo) @ CUBS (Wells) 7:05 CDT, WCIU

[erik316wttn]

Anyone who's been a fan of baseball knows the game is filled with a nearly infinite amount of meaningless records and streaks, both "good" and "bad," that are matched or broken numerous times every season. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that even this most recent stretch of games is somehow unique to them in terms of failure or futility for the "only the Cubs" garbage to have any meaning.

 

Read my post above. I did that quite clearly. They have had 3 futility records just in the past week that haven't been matched in years by anyone in baseball (consecutive hits by the Rockies, the 2-3-4 guys on the Brewers, and the AB allowed with RISP) or by the franchise in the case of the 26 hits . Also being outscored by 46 runs over the past 6 games, the cycle, and the losing streak are not unique to the Cubs as there have been many cases of that hapening every single season, but if you pile it on top of everything else what more proof do you need?

 

I'm not saying the Cubs are the worst team in the Majors this season, or ever. All I'm saying is that I can't recall the Cubs or any other team having as bad of a week as the Cubs have had on the field in recent memory. Don't read any further into it than that.

 

Except that's not all you're saying since you pull the "only the Cubs" shtick time and time again. And why the hell are you acting like a "futility record" is some horrible, unique thing? Again, baseball is filled these kinds of meaningless streaks and records. They're matched and beaten and created all of the time, every season. I mean, they way you're putting it seems to imply that if the Cubs had managed to just barely avoid those horrible "futility records" then it wouldn't be an "only the Cubs" week.

 

Well, it's "horrible" because the very definition of the word "futility" means " n- the quality of being futile; ineffectiveness; uselessness." Sounds like a certain baseball team we know this past week

 

And it's "unique" because the Cubs this week have sucked in ways very few teams have in a very, very long time.

 

Any other questions?

[erik316wttn]

What you're asking is tantamount to asking "The Cubs have had more 2-1 counts this year that ended in flyouts to LF than any other team ever. Prove me wrong." It's meaningless trivia.

 

And it's extremely difficult not to read anything more into it considering your propensity to use phrases like "only the Cubs". You even put the disclaimer there yourself. That's what SSR was saying.

 

Fine. Maybe not "only the Cubs", but very few teams in recent memory have sucked this badly in a weeks worth of games than the Cubs have this past week. Better?

[Sammy Sofa]

What you're asking is tantamount to asking "The Cubs have had more 2-1 counts this year that ended in flyouts to LF than any other team ever. Prove me wrong." It's meaningless trivia.

 

And it's extremely difficult not to read anything more into it considering your propensity to use phrases like "only the Cubs". You even put the disclaimer there yourself. That's what SSR was saying.

 

Fine. Maybe not "only the Cubs", but very few teams in recent memory have sucked this badly in a weeks worth of games than the Cubs have this past week. Better?

 

And you know this to be sure? You've yet to point out how you can say this unequivocally.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs have been pretty bad this week. That's true.

[erik316wttn]

What you're asking is tantamount to asking "The Cubs have had more 2-1 counts this year that ended in flyouts to LF than any other team ever. Prove me wrong." It's meaningless trivia.

 

And it's extremely difficult not to read anything more into it considering your propensity to use phrases like "only the Cubs". You even put the disclaimer there yourself. That's what SSR was saying.

 

Fine. Maybe not "only the Cubs", but very few teams in recent memory have sucked this badly in a weeks worth of games than the Cubs have this past week. Better?

 

And you know this to be sure? You've yet to point out how you can say this unequivocally.

 

You've yet to point out how I can't, so I guess we've reached an impasse, haven't we?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Holy [expletive], I have a headache. The Cubs had a god-awful week. Can we move on?

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, it's "horrible" because the very definition of the word "futility" means " n- the quality of being futile; ineffectiveness; uselessness." Sounds like a certain baseball team we know this past week

 

And it's "unique" because the Cubs this week have sucked in ways very few teams have in a very, very long time.

 

Any other questions?

 

So, again, you're saying that if the Cubs had come just shy of not breaking those oh-so-scary "futility records," it wouldn't be a case of "oh, jeepers, only those silly Cubs!"?

 

And I still don't know why you're acting breaking those "records" means anything worse than just being bad. OK, so teams haven't broken THOSE records in a long time. What about all the other long standing "futility records" that are broken or matches numerous times every season...are those worse or better than what the Cubs just did?

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah but how many teams had a cycle end on a walk-off hit???

 

Mull that one over for a while Bob

[Sammy Sofa]

What you're asking is tantamount to asking "The Cubs have had more 2-1 counts this year that ended in flyouts to LF than any other team ever. Prove me wrong." It's meaningless trivia.

 

And it's extremely difficult not to read anything more into it considering your propensity to use phrases like "only the Cubs". You even put the disclaimer there yourself. That's what SSR was saying.

 

Fine. Maybe not "only the Cubs", but very few teams in recent memory have sucked this badly in a weeks worth of games than the Cubs have this past week. Better?

 

And you know this to be sure? You've yet to point out how you can say this unequivocally.

 

You've yet to point out how I can't, so I guess we've reached an impasse, haven't we?

 

Well, no, since you fail to grasp that the burden of proof is on you. You made a statement and then showed nothing to show that it was true. Rattling off a list of why the Cubs sucked does nothing to prove that it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have.

[Sammy Sofa]

Lou Piniella is the worst manager that the Cubs have ever had.

 

PROVE ME WRONG, IF YOU DARE.

[jersey cubs fan]

Lou Piniella is the worst manager that the Cubs have ever had.

 

PROVE ME WRONG, IF YOU DARE.

 

The Cubs had Dusty Baker.

[Sammy Sofa]

Dammit, now I have to prove you wrong. When will the cycle end?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Lou Piniella is the worst manager that the Cubs have ever had.

 

PROVE ME WRONG, IF YOU DARE.

 

The Cubs had Dusty Baker.

And Don Baylor.

[SouthSideRyan]

Dammit, now I have to prove you wrong. When will the cycle end?

 

On a walk-off but ONLY AGAINST THE CUBS!!!

 

Also, #8 hitters have hit 500 this week against the Cubs, find me a team who's done worse!

[erik316wttn]

What you're asking is tantamount to asking "The Cubs have had more 2-1 counts this year that ended in flyouts to LF than any other team ever. Prove me wrong." It's meaningless trivia.

 

And it's extremely difficult not to read anything more into it considering your propensity to use phrases like "only the Cubs". You even put the disclaimer there yourself. That's what SSR was saying.

 

Fine. Maybe not "only the Cubs", but very few teams in recent memory have sucked this badly in a weeks worth of games than the Cubs have this past week. Better?

 

And you know this to be sure? You've yet to point out how you can say this unequivocally.

 

You've yet to point out how I can't, so I guess we've reached an impasse, haven't we?

 

Well, no, since you fail to grasp that the burden of proof is on you. You made a statement and then showed nothing to show that it was true. Rattling off a list of why the Cubs sucked does nothing to prove that it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have.

 

So just because you say it is, that makes it so? Is there some sort of "burden of proof" ettiquite I'm violating? You're the one calling ME out, so therefore YOU should have to prove ME wrong, not the other way around. If you're unwilling or unable, step aside. Saying "Well, this happens to all teams over the course of a year blah blah blah" is a BS statement unless you're willing to back it up. I've backed up my argument, now back yours up with some sort of actual facts instead of just conjecture and posturing.

 

And in those list of reasons, it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have because... are you ready..... only the Cubs have had a week like that. And again, if I'm wrong and it is proven, I will gladly retract my statement. Until then, if you say I'm wrong, use actual facts.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Also, #8 hitters have hit 500 this week against the Cubs, find me a team who's done worse!

This is a trick. It's never happened to any team before.

[SouthSideRyan]

I have to give credit to TT for making me smile during this conversation picturing Erik with Kurkijan's goofy ass smile on his face on the verge of orgasm with every stat he rattles off

[jersey cubs fan]

I have to give credit to TT for making me smile during this conversation picturing Erik with Kurkijan's goofy ass smile on his face on the verge of orgasm with every stat he rattles off

 

And his voice cracking just before he gets to the good part.

[Sammy Sofa]

And in those list of reasons, it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have because... are you ready..... only the Cubs have had a week like that. And again, if I'm wrong and it is proven, I will gladly retract my statement. Until then, if you say I'm wrong, use actual facts.

 

Man, people here are not grasping the concept of "facts" today.

 

erik, you didn't prove or use "facts" to show that only the Cubs could have had a week of baseball this bad. To do so would require you point out some kind of previous "winner" of worst week ever and then showing how the Cubs' week was worst. You did nothing of the sort. You rattled off a bunch of reasons why the Cubs sucked this past week and then subjectively declared that they amounted to the suckiest week that the sucky Cubs ever sucked. There is nothing for anyone to "prove wrong" because you never proved your own point in the first place.

Edited August 3, 2010 by Sammy Sofa

[erik316wttn]

Lou Piniella is the worst manager that the Cubs have ever had.

 

PROVE ME WRONG, IF YOU DARE.

 

Ok. See, unlike you, I can use actual facts when debating. Here is why you are wrong:

 

Lou Piniella's approximate Cubs managerial record: 311-276 (.529 win pct), with 2 playoff appearances

 

A worse manager? Of the long list of managers I could name, let's go with Jim Riggleman: 374-419 (.472 win pct) with 1 playoff appearance.

 

 

Ok. Your turn.

[Sammy Sofa]

Lou Piniella is the worst manager that the Cubs have ever had.

 

PROVE ME WRONG, IF YOU DARE.

 

Ok. See, unlike you, I can use actual facts when debating. Here is why you are wrong:

 

Lou Piniella's approximate Cubs managerial record: 311-276 (.529 win pct), with 2 playoff appearances

 

A worse manager? Of the long list of managers I could name, let's go with Jim Riggleman: 374-419 (.472 win pct) with 1 playoff appearance.

 

 

Ok. Your turn.

 

Alright, now this is all making more sense.

[SouthSideRyan]

Lou Piniella is the worst manager that the Cubs have ever had.

 

PROVE ME WRONG, IF YOU DARE.

 

Ok. See, unlike you, I can use actual facts when debating. Here is why you are wrong:

 

Lou Piniella's approximate Cubs managerial record: 311-276 (.529 win pct), with 2 playoff appearances

 

A worse manager? Of the long list of managers I could name, let's go with Jim Riggleman: 374-419 (.472 win pct) with 1 playoff appearance.

 

 

Ok. Your turn.

 

How many teams managed by Jim Riggleman had a week as bad as Lou's team??

[erik316wttn]

And in those list of reasons, it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have because... are you ready..... only the Cubs have had a week like that. And again, if I'm wrong and it is proven, I will gladly retract my statement. Until then, if you say I'm wrong, use actual facts.

 

Man, people here are not grasping the concept of "facts" today.

 

erik, you didn't prove or use "facts" to show that only the Cubs could have had a week of baseball this bad. To do so would require you point out some kind of previous "winner" of worst week ever and then showing how the Cubs' week was worst. You did nothing of the sort. You rattled off a bunch of reasons why the Cubs sucked this past week and then subjectively declared that they amounted to the suckiest week that the sucky Cubs ever sucked. There is nothing anyone can do to "prove you wrong" because you never proved your own point in the first place.

 

There is exactly something someone can do: Prove a worse week by another team. Again, I'lll even let a few things slide here and there, and they can be approximations. Nothing has to be exact. This is why I said way back when that it wasn't worth getting into it because not your or my opinion on the matter would be changed, and neither opinion has.

[Sammy Sofa]

Lou Piniella is the worst manager that the Cubs have ever had.

 

PROVE ME WRONG, IF YOU DARE.

 

Ok. See, unlike you, I can use actual facts when debating. Here is why you are wrong:

 

Lou Piniella's approximate Cubs managerial record: 311-276 (.529 win pct), with 2 playoff appearances

 

A worse manager? Of the long list of managers I could name, let's go with Jim Riggleman: 374-419 (.472 win pct) with 1 playoff appearance.

 

 

Ok. Your turn.

 

How many teams managed by Jim Riggleman had a week as bad as Lou's team??

 

I will need to see a side by side chart comparison of futility records broken before I can proceed.

[fromthestretch]

And in those list of reasons, it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have because... are you ready..... only the Cubs have had a week like that. And again, if I'm wrong and it is proven, I will gladly retract my statement. Until then, if you say I'm wrong, use actual facts.

 

Man, people here are not grasping the concept of "facts" today.

 

erik, you didn't prove or use "facts" to show that only the Cubs could have had a week of baseball this bad. To do so would require you point out some kind of previous "winner" of worst week ever and then showing how the Cubs' week was worst. You did nothing of the sort. You rattled off a bunch of reasons why the Cubs sucked this past week and then subjectively declared that they amounted to the suckiest week that the sucky Cubs ever sucked. There is nothing anyone can do to "prove you wrong" because you never proved your own point in the first place.

 

There is exactly something someone can do: Prove a worse week by another team. Again, I'lll even let a few things slide here and there, and they can be approximations. Nothing has to be exact. This is why I said way back when that it wasn't worth getting into it because not your or my opinion on the matter would be changed, and neither opinion has.

 

CUBS

7/27/10 - 8/2/10

0-6 record

outscored 63-17

 

PIRATES

4/20/10 - 4/26/10

0-7 record

outscored 72-12