Re: 08/02 Milwaukee (Gallardo) @ CUBS (Wells) 7:05 CDT, WCIU

[Sammy Sofa]

And in those list of reasons, it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have because... are you ready..... only the Cubs have had a week like that. And again, if I'm wrong and it is proven, I will gladly retract my statement. Until then, if you say I'm wrong, use actual facts.

 

Man, people here are not grasping the concept of "facts" today.

 

erik, you didn't prove or use "facts" to show that only the Cubs could have had a week of baseball this bad. To do so would require you point out some kind of previous "winner" of worst week ever and then showing how the Cubs' week was worst. You did nothing of the sort. You rattled off a bunch of reasons why the Cubs sucked this past week and then subjectively declared that they amounted to the suckiest week that the sucky Cubs ever sucked. There is nothing anyone can do to "prove you wrong" because you never proved your own point in the first place.

 

There is exactly something someone can do: Prove a worse week by another team. Again, I'lll even let a few things slide here and there, and they can be approximations. Nothing has to be exact. This is why I said way back when that it wasn't worth getting into it because not your or my opinion on the matter would be changed, and neither opinion has.

 

....

 

So you want people to prove you wrong...except it's just opinions in the first place and those will never change...but how can...if we...and then...

 

http://www.djmoya.com/wp-content/uploads/head_explode-779507.jpg

[erik316wttn]

Lou Piniella is the worst manager that the Cubs have ever had.

 

PROVE ME WRONG, IF YOU DARE.

 

Ok. See, unlike you, I can use actual facts when debating. Here is why you are wrong:

 

Lou Piniella's approximate Cubs managerial record: 311-276 (.529 win pct), with 2 playoff appearances

 

A worse manager? Of the long list of managers I could name, let's go with Jim Riggleman: 374-419 (.472 win pct) with 1 playoff appearance.

 

 

Ok. Your turn.

 

How many teams managed by Jim Riggleman had a week as bad as Lou's team??

 

I will need to see a side by side chart comparison of futility records broken before I can proceed.

 

You are classic, you know that? An absolute gem. Mock me all you like, but at least I understand the concept of "using facts to back up my argument." You just use "hurrr if I say he's wrong enough times and don't actually give any reasons why then that means he'll just HAVE to be wrong". Do you see a difference?

 

Someone PM me when someone has posted actual facts debunking my original argument. Until then, I have to go make lunch for the kid. Peace.

[jersey cubs fan]

There is exactly something someone can do: Prove a worse week by another team. Again, I'lll even let a few things slide here and there, and they can be approximations. Nothing has to be exact. This is why I said way back when that it wasn't worth getting into it because not your or my opinion on the matter would be changed, and neither opinion has.

 

Do we have to work with calendar weeks? Any 7 day period?

[erik316wttn]

And in those list of reasons, it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have because... are you ready..... only the Cubs have had a week like that. And again, if I'm wrong and it is proven, I will gladly retract my statement. Until then, if you say I'm wrong, use actual facts.

 

Man, people here are not grasping the concept of "facts" today.

 

erik, you didn't prove or use "facts" to show that only the Cubs could have had a week of baseball this bad. To do so would require you point out some kind of previous "winner" of worst week ever and then showing how the Cubs' week was worst. You did nothing of the sort. You rattled off a bunch of reasons why the Cubs sucked this past week and then subjectively declared that they amounted to the suckiest week that the sucky Cubs ever sucked. There is nothing anyone can do to "prove you wrong" because you never proved your own point in the first place.

 

There is exactly something someone can do: Prove a worse week by another team. Again, I'lll even let a few things slide here and there, and they can be approximations. Nothing has to be exact. This is why I said way back when that it wasn't worth getting into it because not your or my opinion on the matter would be changed, and neither opinion has.

 

CUBS

7/27/10 - 8/2/10

0-6 record

outscored 63-17

 

PIRATES

4/20/10 - 4/26/10

0-7 record

outscored 72-12

 

Ok, so that was one of the things I listed. Good job. Someone can acuatlly use faxcts to backup an argument... im soshocked i think im having a smallstroke

 

*falls over, twitching*

[Sammy Sofa]

He's losing it.

[erik316wttn]

There is exactly something someone can do: Prove a worse week by another team. Again, I'lll even let a few things slide here and there, and they can be approximations. Nothing has to be exact. This is why I said way back when that it wasn't worth getting into it because not your or my opinion on the matter would be changed, and neither opinion has.

 

Do we have to work with calendar weeks? Any 7 day period?

 

A consecutive seven day period falling inside the MLB regular season. We'll go since 1957 since that's as far back as I went in my argument.

 

I seriously gotta go though for a bit. The kid is up.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, why do we have to stop at 1957 just because you stopped there?

[SouthSideRyan]

And in those list of reasons, it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have because... are you ready..... only the Cubs have had a week like that. And again, if I'm wrong and it is proven, I will gladly retract my statement. Until then, if you say I'm wrong, use actual facts.

 

Man, people here are not grasping the concept of "facts" today.

 

erik, you didn't prove or use "facts" to show that only the Cubs could have had a week of baseball this bad. To do so would require you point out some kind of previous "winner" of worst week ever and then showing how the Cubs' week was worst. You did nothing of the sort. You rattled off a bunch of reasons why the Cubs sucked this past week and then subjectively declared that they amounted to the suckiest week that the sucky Cubs ever sucked. There is nothing anyone can do to "prove you wrong" because you never proved your own point in the first place.

 

There is exactly something someone can do: Prove a worse week by another team. Again, I'lll even let a few things slide here and there, and they can be approximations. Nothing has to be exact. This is why I said way back when that it wasn't worth getting into it because not your or my opinion on the matter would be changed, and neither opinion has.

 

CUBS

7/27/10 - 8/2/10

0-6 record

outscored 63-17

 

PIRATES

4/20/10 - 4/26/10

0-7 record

outscored 72-12

 

Show me the stats that matter. # of cycle walk-offs, total # of hits for 2-3-4 hitters over a 3 game stretch, you know the ones that mean something.

[jersey cubs fan]

In 1993 the Mets lost 8 games in a row, 5 of them to the Cubs. Now that is really bad.

[fromthestretch]

And in those list of reasons, it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have because... are you ready..... only the Cubs have had a week like that. And again, if I'm wrong and it is proven, I will gladly retract my statement. Until then, if you say I'm wrong, use actual facts.

 

Man, people here are not grasping the concept of "facts" today.

 

erik, you didn't prove or use "facts" to show that only the Cubs could have had a week of baseball this bad. To do so would require you point out some kind of previous "winner" of worst week ever and then showing how the Cubs' week was worst. You did nothing of the sort. You rattled off a bunch of reasons why the Cubs sucked this past week and then subjectively declared that they amounted to the suckiest week that the sucky Cubs ever sucked. There is nothing anyone can do to "prove you wrong" because you never proved your own point in the first place.

 

There is exactly something someone can do: Prove a worse week by another team. Again, I'lll even let a few things slide here and there, and they can be approximations. Nothing has to be exact. This is why I said way back when that it wasn't worth getting into it because not your or my opinion on the matter would be changed, and neither opinion has.

 

CUBS

7/27/10 - 8/2/10

0-6 record

outscored 63-17

 

PIRATES

4/20/10 - 4/26/10

0-7 record

outscored 72-12

 

Ok, so that was one of the things I listed. Good job. Someone can acuatlly use faxcts to backup an argument... im soshocked i think im having a smallstroke

 

*falls over, twitching*

 

The Pirates are also on a five-game skid where they've been outscored 34-5.

 

Bottom line is that this kind of stuff happens...not just to the Cubs.

[Sammy Sofa]

In 1993 the Mets lost 8 games in a row, 5 of them to the Cubs. Now that is really bad.

 

http://www.signagelive.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/two_world_collide.jpg

[fromthestretch]

And in those list of reasons, it was a week that "only the Cubs" could have because... are you ready..... only the Cubs have had a week like that. And again, if I'm wrong and it is proven, I will gladly retract my statement. Until then, if you say I'm wrong, use actual facts.

 

Man, people here are not grasping the concept of "facts" today.

 

erik, you didn't prove or use "facts" to show that only the Cubs could have had a week of baseball this bad. To do so would require you point out some kind of previous "winner" of worst week ever and then showing how the Cubs' week was worst. You did nothing of the sort. You rattled off a bunch of reasons why the Cubs sucked this past week and then subjectively declared that they amounted to the suckiest week that the sucky Cubs ever sucked. There is nothing anyone can do to "prove you wrong" because you never proved your own point in the first place.

 

There is exactly something someone can do: Prove a worse week by another team. Again, I'lll even let a few things slide here and there, and they can be approximations. Nothing has to be exact. This is why I said way back when that it wasn't worth getting into it because not your or my opinion on the matter would be changed, and neither opinion has.

 

CUBS

7/27/10 - 8/2/10

0-6 record

outscored 63-17

 

PIRATES

4/20/10 - 4/26/10

0-7 record

outscored 72-12

 

Show me the stats that matter. # of cycle walk-offs, total # of hits for 2-3-4 hitters over a 3 game stretch, you know the ones that mean something.

 

Well, I can provide the # of cycle walk-offs, only because someone else on the B-R blog did that research. There have only been four others that were found:

 

Cesar Tovar (September 19, 1972) vs. TEX

George Brett - 2 HRs (May 28, 1979) vs. BAL

Dwight Evans (June 28, 1984) vs. BOS

 

and of course Ken Boyer (September 14, 1961) vs. CUBS

 

I don't have a subscription to the play index, so I'm not going to bother looking up the other stuff that erik had posted. But there are plenty of other random terrible things that have happened to teams that don't play on the north side of Chicago.

 

Hell, in 2002 when Darryl Kile passed away mid-season, there was probably some Cardinals fan saying "only the Cardinals". Then again, that did happen during a series with the Cubs...

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The Pirates are also on a five-game skid where they've been outscored 34-5.

The Pirates have only won 12 games in the last 18 seasons or something like that.

[Sammy Sofa]

Ah, but is the death of player worse than losing to someone hitting for the cycle? Or a record breaking number of hits with RISP? Or a record breaking number of hits by an arbitrary stretch of three players in the lineup?

 

I think not.

[erik316wttn]

Ah, but is the death of player worse than losing to someone hitting for the cycle? Or a record breaking number of hits with RISP? Or a record breaking number of hits by an arbitrary stretch of three players in the lineup?

 

I think not.

 

Yes it is, actually.

 

My argument was strictly for on-field play (I listed the Sliva thing but said that had nothing to do with the Cubs on-field performance). Nice try, though.

[Sammy Sofa]

Ray Chapman was killed by a pitch he took of the head while playing for the Indians.

 

Doc Powers died from injuries and complications he received from crashing into a wall while chasing a pop-up during a game and playing for the A's.

 

Oh, right, we can't go back to before 1957 for some random reason.

[erik316wttn]

Ray Chapman was killed by a pitch he took of the head while playing for the Indians.

 

Doc Powers died from injuries and complications he received from crashing into a wall while chasing a pop-up during a game and playing for the A's.

 

Oh, right, we can't go back to before 1957 for some random reason.

 

Keep it coming. I almost have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.

 

You are honestly the best entertainment I've had in a very long time. To think of all the amusement I've gotten this afternoon from posting 3 little words and watching the subsequent fallout makes me smile. People say I'm irrational, but look at what just the statement "only the cubs" caused in people. It's really quite amusing.

[Sammy Sofa]

Good Lord, those peaks and valleys must be murder.

 

But seriously, why can't we look at any teams and weeks before 1957? That's completely arbitrary. The years of the records the Cubs broke aren't some kind of magical cutoff points where we can no longer penetrate the mists of time.

[erik316wttn]

Good Lord, those peaks and valleys must be murder.

 

But seriously, why can't we look at any teams and weeks before 1957? That's completely arbitrary. The years of the records the Cubs broke aren't some kind of magical cutoff points where we can no longer penetrate the mists of time.

 

Actually, my meds regulate the peaks and valleys quite well, thanks for asking. They're little red ones administered by the court-ordered workers.

 

Fine, look at whatever the hell you want. I was just trying to stay within the timeframe of facts that I had first posted, but if you want to go back further, then fine.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm just trying to understand what that time frame has to do with anything.

 

And stop harping on the word "facts." Listing occurrences doesn't make ones conclusion automatically a fact.

[erik316wttn]

I'm just trying to understand what that time frame has to do with anything.

 

And stop harping on the word "facts." Listing occurrences doesn't make ones conclusion automatically a fact.

 

Are you going to keep arguing semantics? I already said use whatever year you want.

 

And I posted "facts" (things that actually happened--- look them up) to support my "opinion".

 

You really sure like to split hairs, don't you? If this is all this conversation has left then I'm done.

[Sammy Sofa]

OK, finally, we're back to original consensus; erik looks for reasons to foster his "only the Cubs" mentality. Case closed.

[erik316wttn]

OK, finally, we're back to original consensus; erik looks for reasons to foster his "only the Cubs" mentality. Case closed.

 

If that's how you choose to twist this whole thing around, that's just fine with me. If you'll excuse me, I have better things to do than continue this discussion which has been dragged so far off course.

 

Once again, though... 3 little words caused this whole thing. I just want everyone reading to remember that next time I'm called irrational. After reading the last 2 pages of this thread there are people far worse than me.

[Sammy Sofa]

Hmmmmm, yes, that's the logical conclusion.

[Fred Hornkohl]

I'm going to lock this thread temporarily, so bear with me while I figure out how to split this discussion off and move it to CUBS discussions.

 

edit: Hey. I figured it out !! Go Fred !!