Re: 08/02 Milwaukee (Gallardo) @ CUBS (Wells) 7:05 CDT, WCIU

[erik316wttn]

The last time the Cubs allowed 26 hits in a game? 1957

 

Brewers had 29 AB's with RISP-- tied for 2nd most since 1974

 

Brewers 2-3-4 hitters had 14 hits last night... first time in the expansion era (1961) that a team's 2-3-4 hitters had that many hits in a single game.

 

I know I'll get ripped on for "only the Cubs," but ONLY THE CUBS can suck THAT badly in a single game.

 

I give about a 40% chance that sometime this game or the next game we'll see a bench-clearing brawl. The Cubs are pissed from losing so much and the Brewers are all butthurt about HBP-- something's gotta give.

[SouthSideRyan]

Considering only one of the stats you mentioned had the Cubs as the leader, doesn't that disprove your Only The Cubs, woe is me [expletive]?

[Keener98]

If the Brewers are mad about HBPs, then they've found something even dumber than untuck 'em. I mean really, they are idiots. The thought of them trying to retaliate for HBPs by doing stuff like taking a guy out in a 15 run game makes me want to hit them in the nose with a rolled up newspaper. You get hit a lot because Fielder and Weeks stand on top of the plate. Those 2 combined have more HBP than 20 teams.

 

 

Exactly. Fielder is basically standing on the plate, he has to expect teams to pitch him inside and thus get hit because his fat ass is too slow to get out of the way of a pitch.

[erik316wttn]

Considering only one of the stats you mentioned had the Cubs as the leader, doesn't that disprove your Only The Cubs, woe is me [expletive]?

 

I said only the Cubs. I did not say "woe is me."

 

I may be wrong, but it seems I or anyone else would have a hard time finding teams that can suck this badly for this long. There may have been a few, but when the Cubs get really really bad they're worse than anyone.

 

I'm not going to get into this with you, as neither of us is going to convince the other and it'll just devolve into a huge argument, so you can have the last word on this. It'll probably a personal attack in some form, as that seems to be how you like to operate, but go right ahead. Be in your little happy bubble all you want. Let me know when you actually see the light.

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, they're obviously not "worse than anyone" right now. That's not even up for debate.

[erik316wttn]

If the Brewers are mad about HBPs, then they've found something even dumber than untuck 'em. I mean really, they are idiots. The thought of them trying to retaliate for HBPs by doing stuff like taking a guy out in a 15 run game makes me want to hit them in the nose with a rolled up newspaper. You get hit a lot because Fielder and Weeks stand on top of the plate. Those 2 combined have more HBP than 20 teams.

 

 

Exactly. Fielder is basically standing on the plate, he has to expect teams to pitch him inside and thus get hit because his fat ass is too slow to get out of the way of a pitch.

 

The Brewers really need to stop whining about HBP's. After the beanball last night the Brewers announcers were pretty much saying "if you don't know how to pitch inside, you shouldn't be up here." I don't know if the pitch got away from him or not. All I know is that the announcers are fully on board with the whole "Everyone is picking on the Brewers" BS bandwagon.

[Sammy Sofa]

Forget how he crowds the plate and how big he is; Fielder gets "hit" plenty of times just from how baggy his uniform is.

[Guest]

Saying "ONLY THE CUBS" is the same as saying "woe is me". Because 99% of the time this stuff happens to every team, but people like to think it's some unique circumstance to their team so they can feel better. Hence, "woe is me".

 

The Cubs are not some unique entity when it comes to having bad things happen to them. That's the light that needs to be seen.

[SouthSideRyan]

Nah, Erik's got me pegged. I'm pretty sure the Cubs are coming back to win the whole thing.

 

GO CUBS GO!! Let's get drunk in the bleachers!!! When's Sammy up to bat?

[Sammy Sofa]

Yup, there's no middle ground; either one thinks that the Cubs are the worst team ever sloppily farted onto a baseball field or they're deluded into thinking they've always got a shot! It's impossible to look at a bad team realistically without delving into "ONLY THE COBS" histrionics.

[Fred Hornkohl]

After Gomez was hit in the 8th inning, Santo and Hughes noted that Fielder, who was on second base at the time, was having a heated discussion with the umpire (I assume they meant 2b umpire and crew chief Tom Hallion) and their assumption was that Fielder was urging the umpire to rule that Schlitter had thrown at Gomez intentionally and eject him from the game. The Brewers then brought in Bush to run for Gomez and the next batter, Escobar, flied out to end the inning. In the 9th, Fielder comes up again and singles to drive in a run and on the next at bat tries to take out Blake DeWitt on a force play at second base.

 

Now, I realize that this is all speculation, so I'll leave it to each of you to draw your own conclusions. For myself, Prince Fielder is not the guy I would be pursuing in the off season to fill a spot at first base on my team.

[jersey cubs fan]

After Gomez was hit in the 8th inning, Santo and Hughes noted that Fielder, who was on second base at the time, was having a heated discussion with the umpire (I assume they meant 2b umpire and crew chief Tom Hallion) and their assumption was that Fielder was urging the umpire to rule that Schlitter had thrown at Gomez intentionally and eject him from the game. The Brewers then brought in Bush to run for Gomez and the next batter, Escobar, flied out to end the inning. In the 9th, Fielder comes up again and singles to drive in a run and on the next at bat tries to take out Blake DeWitt on a force play at second base.

 

Now, I realize that this is all speculation, so I'll leave it to each of you to draw your own conclusions. For myself, Prince Fielder is not the guy I would be pursuing in the off season to fill a spot at first base on my team.

 

You don't want Fielder because he was pissed his team was being hit in the head and took a hard slide at 2nd in response?

[erik316wttn]

Saying "ONLY THE CUBS" is the same as saying "woe is me". Because 99% of the time this stuff happens to every team, but people like to think it's some unique circumstance to their team so they can feel better. Hence, "woe is me".

 

The Cubs are not some unique entity when it comes to having bad things happen to them. That's the light that needs to be seen.

 

Bad things do happen to other teams, but the Cubs have had a spectacularly bad week. Can you name another team that has done all of the following in one week? One or two, sure, but ALL of them? :

 

--Rockies batted around twice in one inning, getting 11 consecutive hits in the process, tying the Major League record and plating 12 runs

 

--Lost 6 straight games

 

-- Allowed 26 hits in a game for the first time in 53 years

 

-- The Brewers batted around in consecutive innings last night

 

-- Brewers also had 29 AB's with RISP last night-- only the 2nd time that has happened in a game since 1974

 

-- Allowed 14 hits to the 2-3-4 hitters last night, the first time that has happened since at least 1961 anywhere in the majors

 

-- Had one of our best SP this year go on the DL with a freak and quite scary heart episode (I'll grant you that this had nothing to do with the Cubs play, but still)

 

--Been outscored 63-17 in the previous week

 

-- Given up the cycle to a player, and allowing him to complete it on a walk-off HR, no less

 

and that's not even everything. Now do you want to tell me I'm wrong when I've said "only the Cubs" could have a week like this? All you need to do is find another team that had a worse week and you win.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

it's a curse, I tell you

[SouthSideRyan]

Erik perhaps if you weren't saying "ONLY THE CUBS" after losses in August of '08, people would pay attention to you.

 

You're naming ridiculously specific events, which similar stuff could be brought up about virtually every other team in baseball, both on the positive and negative side.

[Guest]

Erik perhaps if you weren't saying "ONLY THE CUBS" after losses in August of '08, people would pay attention to you.

 

You're naming ridiculously specific events, which similar stuff could be brought up about virtually every other team in baseball, both on the positive and negative side.

 

Seriously. If you give Tim Kurkjian a bag of M&M's or something, I'm sure he can compile a list for every team every season that's so bizarre. It's the same as saying nonsense like "the Cubs couldn't beat a little league team right now". Everyone knows it's not true, and saying it makes a person sound like an overly-invested goof who doesn't understand the specifics of what's actually happening.

[erik316wttn]

Erik perhaps if you weren't saying "ONLY THE CUBS" after losses in August of '08, people would pay attention to you.

 

You're naming ridiculously specific events, which similar stuff could be brought up about virtually every other team in baseball, both on the positive and negative side.

 

1) It should be quite obvious by now that I don't care if people pay attention to me. You obviously are by reading my posts and responding to them. And you're bringing up 2 years ago? Really?

 

2) You don't have to get as specific as I did, just do some generalizations that are somewhat comparable to the things I've posted. And if you can bring up similar things about any other team in baseball like you say you can, do it. It just has to be within the span of one calendar week and the events need to be similar to the ones I listed about the Cubs. Do that and I'll gladly concede.

[erik316wttn]

Erik perhaps if you weren't saying "ONLY THE CUBS" after losses in August of '08, people would pay attention to you.

 

You're naming ridiculously specific events, which similar stuff could be brought up about virtually every other team in baseball, both on the positive and negative side.

 

Seriously. If you give Tim Kurkjian a bag of M&M's or something, I'm sure he can compile a list for every team every season that's so bizarre. It's the same as saying nonsense like "the Cubs couldn't beat a little league team right now". Everyone knows it's not true, and saying it makes a person sound like an overly-invested goof who doesn't understand the specifics of what's actually happening.

 

 

I agree. If I said "The Cubs couldn't beat a Little League team right now" you may be correct. But it's not like you need to be a super expert to see what's going on here. The Cubs suck, and right now this past week they've sucked as badly as I can ever remember them sucking, and I include the hideous early 90's seasons, '99, 2000, 2002, and 2006 in there.

[Sammy Sofa]

Anyone who's been a fan of baseball for any sustained period of time knows the game is filled with a nearly infinite amount of meaningless records and streaks, both "good" and "bad," that are matched or broken numerous times every season. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that even this most recent stretch of games is somehow unique to them in terms of failure or futility for the "only the Cubs" garbage to have any meaning.

[Guest]

Erik perhaps if you weren't saying "ONLY THE CUBS" after losses in August of '08, people would pay attention to you.

 

You're naming ridiculously specific events, which similar stuff could be brought up about virtually every other team in baseball, both on the positive and negative side.

 

Seriously. If you give Tim Kurkjian a bag of M&M's or something, I'm sure he can compile a list for every team every season that's so bizarre. It's the same as saying nonsense like "the Cubs couldn't beat a little league team right now". Everyone knows it's not true, and saying it makes a person sound like an overly-invested goof who doesn't understand the specifics of what's actually happening.

 

 

I agree. If I said "The Cubs couldn't beat a Little League team right now" you may be correct. But it's not like you need to be a super expert to see what's going on here. The Cubs suck, and right now this past week they've sucked as badly as I can ever remember them sucking, and I include the hideous early 90's seasons, '99, 2000, 2002, and 2006 in there.

 

And yet the Cubs aren't even in the bottom 5 in MLB in record this year. And they weren't in the bottom 10 last year. Or the bottom 20 the two years before that. That's why "only the Cubs" is rubbish, because this sort of thing(especially the "wow this has been a really, really bad week" stuff), happens to EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF EVER.

[erik316wttn]

Anyone who's been a fan of baseball knows the game is filled with a nearly infinite amount of meaningless records and streaks, both "good" and "bad," that are matched or broken numerous times every season. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that even this most recent stretch of games is somehow unique to them in terms of failure or futility for the "only the Cubs" garbage to have any meaning.

 

Read my post above. I did that quite clearly. They have had 3 futility records just in the past week that haven't been matched in years by anyone in baseball (consecutive hits by the Rockies, the 2-3-4 guys on the Brewers, and the AB allowed with RISP) or by the franchise in the case of the 26 hits . Also being outscored by 46 runs over the past 6 games, the cycle, and the losing streak are not unique to the Cubs as there have been many cases of that hapening every single season, but if you pile it on top of everything else what more proof do you need?

 

I'm not saying the Cubs are the worst team in the Majors this season, or ever. All I'm saying is that I can't recall the Cubs or any other team having as bad of a week as the Cubs have had on the field in recent memory. Don't read any further into it than that.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've got friends who are Mets and Pirates fans and it seems like once a month one or the other is complaining about an inexplicably "only the Mets" or "only the Pirates" week.

[erik316wttn]

Erik perhaps if you weren't saying "ONLY THE CUBS" after losses in August of '08, people would pay attention to you.

 

You're naming ridiculously specific events, which similar stuff could be brought up about virtually every other team in baseball, both on the positive and negative side.

 

Seriously. If you give Tim Kurkjian a bag of M&M's or something, I'm sure he can compile a list for every team every season that's so bizarre. It's the same as saying nonsense like "the Cubs couldn't beat a little league team right now". Everyone knows it's not true, and saying it makes a person sound like an overly-invested goof who doesn't understand the specifics of what's actually happening.

 

 

I agree. If I said "The Cubs couldn't beat a Little League team right now" you may be correct. But it's not like you need to be a super expert to see what's going on here. The Cubs suck, and right now this past week they've sucked as badly as I can ever remember them sucking, and I include the hideous early 90's seasons, '99, 2000, 2002, and 2006 in there.

 

And yet the Cubs aren't even in the bottom 5 in MLB in record this year. And they weren't in the bottom 10 last year. Or the bottom 20 the two years before that. That's why "only the Cubs" is rubbish, because this sort of thing(especially the "wow this has been a really, really bad week" stuff), happens to EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF EVER.

 

I HAVE A CAPS LOCK KEY TOO!!!

 

And you're arguing points I never even brought up. And if it's not "only the Cubs" prove me wrong. You say it happens to every team every season, then prove it. If it happens that frequently it should be no problem to find just one instance and prove me wrong and shut me up, which is what I can tell you so desperately want to do. Prove me wrong.

 

And this isn't your fault, but I'll quote from the post I made right before this one:

I'm not saying the Cubs are the worst team in the Majors this season, or ever. All I'm saying is that I can't recall the Cubs or any other team having as bad of a week as the Cubs have had on the field in recent memory. Don't read any further into it than that.

[Sammy Sofa]

Anyone who's been a fan of baseball knows the game is filled with a nearly infinite amount of meaningless records and streaks, both "good" and "bad," that are matched or broken numerous times every season. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that even this most recent stretch of games is somehow unique to them in terms of failure or futility for the "only the Cubs" garbage to have any meaning.

 

Read my post above. I did that quite clearly. They have had 3 futility records just in the past week that haven't been matched in years by anyone in baseball (consecutive hits by the Rockies, the 2-3-4 guys on the Brewers, and the AB allowed with RISP) or by the franchise in the case of the 26 hits . Also being outscored by 46 runs over the past 6 games, the cycle, and the losing streak are not unique to the Cubs as there have been many cases of that hapening every single season, but if you pile it on top of everything else what more proof do you need?

 

I'm not saying the Cubs are the worst team in the Majors this season, or ever. All I'm saying is that I can't recall the Cubs or any other team having as bad of a week as the Cubs have had on the field in recent memory. Don't read any further into it than that.

 

Except that's not all you're saying since you pull the "only the Cubs" shtick time and time again. And why the hell are you acting like a "futility record" is some horrible, unique thing? Again, baseball is filled these kinds of meaningless streaks and records. They're matched and beaten and created all of the time, every season. I mean, they way you're putting it seems to imply that if the Cubs had managed to just barely avoid those horrible "futility records" then it wouldn't be an "only the Cubs" week.

 

You keep demanding that people prove you wrong, but you haven't even proven yourself to be right. You've in no way shown how this stretch of games is unique to the Cubs in terms of futility or failure.

[Guest]

What you're asking is tantamount to asking "The Cubs have had more 2-1 counts this year that ended in flyouts to LF than any other team ever. Prove me wrong." It's meaningless trivia.

 

And it's extremely difficult not to read anything more into it considering your propensity to use phrases like "only the Cubs". You even put the disclaimer there yourself. That's what SSR was saying.