Cubs shopping Z

[SouthSideRyan]

Letting teams know that you'd trade a guy is pretty far from discussing when they'll have the best market for him. We're going to spend the entire offseason haggling down money on Zambrano, wind up eating 40M, trading him for Chone Figgins and using the savings to sign Vicente Padilla.

[Bruno7481]

Letting teams know that you'd trade a guy is pretty far from discussing when they'll have the best market for him. We're going to spend the entire offseason haggling down money on Zambrano, wind up eating 40M, trading him for Chone Figgins and using the savings to sign Vicente Padilla.

 

Do you really think it was a secret around MLB that the Cubs would like to trade him if possible?

 

Like I said, its is far from an ideal situation, but I don't think a Twitter post blew the secret that Cubs might want to move him.

[jersey cubs fan]

It strongly indicates that they are actively trying to move him and given the Cubs tendancies quite likely means they will aggressively shop him this offseason.

 

We've known for a few days that they're actively trying to shop him. It's the reason I started this thread.

 

All that quote adds to what we already knew is that they won't get the deal done by Saturday and, thus, will wait until the winter.

 

It adds that they will continue to shop him, which is meaningful.

[jersey cubs fan]

Letting teams know that you'd trade a guy is pretty far from discussing when they'll have the best market for him. We're going to spend the entire offseason haggling down money on Zambrano, wind up eating 40M, trading him for Chone Figgins and using the savings to sign Vicente Padilla.

 

Do you really think it was a secret around MLB that the Cubs would like to trade him if possible?

 

Like I said, its is far from an ideal situation, but I don't think a Twitter post blew the secret that Cubs might want to move him.

 

It's not the twitter post that informed the league, it's the Cubs informing the league that led to the twitter post.

 

This team can't keep going into offseasons intent on trading away assets. It's horrible business.

[Bruno7481]

Letting teams know that you'd trade a guy is pretty far from discussing when they'll have the best market for him. We're going to spend the entire offseason haggling down money on Zambrano, wind up eating 40M, trading him for Chone Figgins and using the savings to sign Vicente Padilla.

 

Do you really think it was a secret around MLB that the Cubs would like to trade him if possible?

 

Like I said, its is far from an ideal situation, but I don't think a Twitter post blew the secret that Cubs might want to move him.

 

It's not the twitter post that informed the league, it's the Cubs informing the league that led to the twitter post.

 

This team can't keep going into offseasons intent on trading away assets. It's horrible business.

 

I don't think the Cubs had to tell the league. Looking at his production, salary, and other issues tells teams all they need to know that Cubs would probably like to move him if possible.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think the Cubs had to tell the league. Looking at his production, salary, and other issues tells teams all they need to know that Cubs would probably like to move him if possible.

 

Making it all that much dumber to be actively selling him, at a low.

[SouthSideRyan]

Letting teams know that you'd trade a guy is pretty far from discussing when they'll have the best market for him. We're going to spend the entire offseason haggling down money on Zambrano, wind up eating 40M, trading him for Chone Figgins and using the savings to sign Vicente Padilla.

 

Do you really think it was a secret around MLB that the Cubs would like to trade him if possible?

 

Like I said, its is far from an ideal situation, but I don't think a Twitter post blew the secret that Cubs might want to move him.

 

It's not the twitter post that informed the league, it's the Cubs informing the league that led to the twitter post.

 

This team can't keep going into offseasons intent on trading away assets. It's horrible business.

 

I don't think the Cubs had to tell the league. Looking at his production, salary, and other issues tells teams all they need to know that Cubs would probably like to move him if possible.

 

I don't give a [expletive] about "telling the league" I care that once again the Cubs head into the offseason seeing how much worse they can make the team because they've convinced themselves they have a problem that's not there.

[Bruno7481]

I don't think the Cubs had to tell the league. Looking at his production, salary, and other issues tells teams all they need to know that Cubs would probably like to move him if possible.

 

Making it all that much dumber to be actively selling him, at a low.

 

I'm not arguing that point, I agree.

 

I just don't think is at all surprising to anyone.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think the Cubs had to tell the league. Looking at his production, salary, and other issues tells teams all they need to know that Cubs would probably like to move him if possible.

 

Making it all that much dumber to be actively selling him, at a low.

 

I'm not arguing that point, I agree.

 

I just don't think is at all surprising to anyone.

 

The fact that it isn't a surprise doesn't mean somebody can't be pissed at the situation.

[Bruno7481]

I guess I'm just more down on Zambrano than most, and due mainly to his production, not the other issues. I don't think a potential trade of Zambrano would really hurt the Cubs all that much on the field.

 

The Cubs are in a hole with his contract whether they keep him or not.

[CubsWin]

Letting teams know that you'd trade a guy is pretty far from discussing when they'll have the best market for him. We're going to spend the entire offseason haggling down money on Zambrano, wind up eating 40M, trading him for Chone Figgins and using the savings to sign Vicente Padilla.

 

Do you really think it was a secret around MLB that the Cubs would like to trade him if possible?

 

Like I said, its is far from an ideal situation, but I don't think a Twitter post blew the secret that Cubs might want to move him.

 

It's not the twitter post that informed the league, it's the Cubs informing the league that led to the twitter post.

 

This team can't keep going into offseasons intent on trading away assets. It's horrible business.

Let's think about this for a second because this comes up quite often on this board. Whatever the source of this story is, the leak doesn't impact what the Cubs would be able to get for Z (or Bradley or Sosa for that matter) one bit. If a team wants to trade a player, then they are going to have to initiate talks with another team at some point. Mentioning that player's name during that meeting or phone call will have the exact same effect that this media report had. The players abilities, deficiencies, contract and recent performance history are going to have much more of an impact on what that GM is willing to give in return than the knowledge that a team is willing to trade a player.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm NOT PISSED ABOUT THE GOD DAMN LEAK

[Bruno7481]

I'm NOT PISSED ABOUT THE GOD DAMN LEAK

 

Chill.

 

What are your expectations from Zambrano going forward though the end of his deal?

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm NOT PISSED ABOUT THE GOD DAMN LEAK

 

Chill.

 

What are your expectations from Zambrano going forward though the end of his deal?

 

3.50-4.20 ERA pitching 160-200 innings a year. Definitely not worth his contract, but certainly worth more than eating more than half of it and getting nothing in return

[jersey cubs fan]

Let's think about this for a second because this comes up quite often on this board. Whatever the source of this story is, the leak doesn't impact what the Cubs would be able to get for Z (or Bradley or Sosa for that matter) one bit. If a team wants to trade a player, then they are going to have to initiate talks with another team at some point. Mentioning that player's name during that meeting or phone call will have the exact same effect that this media report had. The players abilities, deficiencies, contract and recent performance history are going to have much more of an impact on what that GM is willing to give in return than the knowledge that a team is willing to trade a player.

 

Thanks for the lesson teacher.

 

That has nothing to do with the discussion.

[jersey cubs fan]

I guess I'm just more down on Zambrano than most, and due mainly to his production, not the other issues. I don't think a potential trade of Zambrano would really hurt the Cubs all that much on the field.

 

The Cubs are in a hole with his contract whether they keep him or not.

 

Not being worth the contract is not the same as not contributing. Carlos hasn't been at his best, but prior to the Cubs screwing around with him in the bullpen this year he was still an effective member of the rotation.

[dew1679666265]

I don't think the Cubs had to tell the league. Looking at his production, salary, and other issues tells teams all they need to know that Cubs would probably like to move him if possible.

 

Making it all that much dumber to be actively selling him, at a low.

 

I'm not arguing that point, I agree.

 

I just don't think is at all surprising to anyone.

 

The fact that it isn't a surprise doesn't mean somebody can't be pissed at the situation.

 

It just seemed an odd time to be pissed, I guess. I was more irritated when I started the thread than when I posted the most recent update.

[Clem Fandango]

Carlos Zambrano told Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times that he would accept a trade if the Cubs approach him with one (Twitter link). Despite Zambrano's willingness to waive his no-trade clause, there's no reason to expect a deal. Zambrano says he wants to stay in Chicago and the Cubs don't believe they will be able to trade him this season, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (Twitter link).

 

Big Z earns $6.4MM between now and the end of the season, plus $17.9MM next year, $18MM in 2012 and possibly $19.25MM in 2013. That's a lot of money for a pitcher who just came off the restricted list and has a 5.66 ERA. The 29-year-old is walking (4.0 BB/9) and striking out (8.6 K/9) lots of batters, as usual.

[Ballgame64]

I really don't know what to say anymore about how the Cubs handle these things. But count me as a person who would rather see Zambrano put back in the rotation and left alone. Unless another team is going to take the entire contract like the White Sox did with Alex Rios, then keep him and try to get the best out of him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

SATURDAY, 8:40am: The Cubs rejected an offer of Oliver Perez and Luis Castillo for Zambrano, tweets SI's Jon Heyman. One factor might be that Zambrano has $17.83MM more on his contract than they do.

 

Nice try Omar, but Id rather Z play out his contract in mop up duty than trade him for those 2.

[hawkeyecub]

Jon Heyman claimed that the Cubs offered Z for Ollie Perez straight up (no mention of the Cubs throwing in any money). The Mets wanted the Cubs to take Castilo back. Perez has only one year left on his contract at $12M.

[bleedingblue]

Jon Heyman claimed that the Cubs offered Z for Ollie Perez straight up (no mention of the Cubs throwing in any money). The Mets wanted the Cubs to take Castilo back. Perez has only one year left on his contract at $12M.

 

Jesus, that's even worse.

[Tyrant]

Jon Heyman claimed that the Cubs offered Z for Ollie Perez straight up (no mention of the Cubs throwing in any money). The Mets wanted the Cubs to take Castilo back. Perez has only one year left on his contract at $12M.

 

Jesus, that's even worse.

 

If they traded Z for just Perez, without throwing in any money? I think I'd take that.

 

And for all the times people here have flipped out in recent years about the Cubs trading a player away (Sosa, DeRosa, Bradley, Jose Ceda, Will Ohman), have any of them really come back to hurt them? Sosa for Fontenot was a fine deal, because Sosa was totally done and Fontenot has contributed some. DeRosa brought a nice return. Bradley has been a disaster for Seattle and Silva has been pretty good. Jose Ceda hasn't done a thing in Florida. Will Ohman, meh.

 

I think the two worst trades Hendry has made are Juan Pierre (obviously) and Angel Pagan (no one saw that coming). Far more often than not, the Cubs do well on the trade market.

 

Edit- The Greg Maddux trade sucked, too. Forgot about that.

 

I'm not necessarily saying that this makes trading Z for nothing a good idea, but the constant cries of "HERE WE GO AGAIN TIME TO MAKE YET ANOTHER TERRIBLE TRADE LIKE ALWAYS" ring pretty empty.

[rocket]

i would love to trade z for ollie, straight up, and save ~$43 million. i hope omar does his part to bail hendry out of a horrible contract.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If the Mets were taking the entire remainder of Zs contract, Id do it, in which case I could care less what we did with Ollie, but I cant see the Mets being that dumb.