Derrek Lee Blocks Trade to Angels

[TruffleShuffle]

derrek lee for mike trout and they have a deal

[bleedingblue]

Don't worry - the Cubs won't trading Lee, and they'll re-sign him for another 3-4 year deal with another NTC. :D

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Don't worry - the Cubs won't trading Lee, and they'll re-sign him for another 3-4 year deal with another NTC. :D

 

would be a bit redundant, but i guess i can't put it past Hendry anyway.

[dew1679666265]

Don't worry - the Cubs won't trading Lee, and they'll re-sign him for another 3-4 year deal with another NTC. :D

 

would be a bit redundant, but i guess i can't put it past Hendry anyway.

 

It'd actually be a good move by Hendry to give DLee a full NTC with a new deal. It might cut down the cost and the 10/5 rights would make it irrelevant.

[jersey cubs fan]

Don't worry - the Cubs won't trading Lee, and they'll re-sign him for another 3-4 year deal with another NTC. :D

 

would be a bit redundant, but i guess i can't put it past Hendry anyway.

 

It'd actually be a good move by Hendry to give DLee a full NTC with a new deal. It might cut down the cost and the 10/5 rights would make it irrelevant.

 

Why would it cut down the cost?

[dew1679666265]

Don't worry - the Cubs won't trading Lee, and they'll re-sign him for another 3-4 year deal with another NTC. :D

 

would be a bit redundant, but i guess i can't put it past Hendry anyway.

 

It'd actually be a good move by Hendry to give DLee a full NTC with a new deal. It might cut down the cost and the 10/5 rights would make it irrelevant.

 

Why would it cut down the cost?

 

Considering the 10/5 rights it wouldn't. The post was more than a little tongue-in-cheek in response to the previous joke about Hendry handing out needless NTCs.

[Rob]

Don't worry - the Cubs won't trading Lee, and they'll re-sign him for another 3-4 year deal with another NTC. :D

 

would be a bit redundant, but i guess i can't put it past Hendry anyway.

 

It'd actually be a good move by Hendry to give DLee a full NTC with a new deal. It might cut down the cost and the 10/5 rights would make it irrelevant.

 

Why would it cut down the cost?

 

NTC's have value. Even when the player already has 10/5 rights.

[jersey cubs fan]

NTC's have value. Even when the player already has 10/5 rights.

 

How?

[Guest]

Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then you're at the will of your new team.

[SouthSideRyan]

NTC's have value. Even when the player already has 10/5 rights.

 

How?

 

If a player agrees to waive the NTC once, I don't believe he waives it forever. i.e. agreeing to being traded from the Cubs to the Yankees doesn't mean the Yankees can then trade him wherever they want.

[jersey cubs fan]

Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then your at the will of your new team.

 

I can't imagine that saving a team any significant money in contract talks. At the same time you can use your 10/5 rights to negotiate terms for accepting a trade.

[davearm2]

Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then you're at the will of your new team.

Couldn't a guy just say, "OK if you want me to waive my 10/5 rights, then you need to add a NTC to my contract"?

[Guest]

Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then your at the will of your new team.

 

I can't imagine that saving a team any significant money in contract talks. At the same time you can use your 10/5 rights to negotiate terms for accepting a trade.

 

I don't think anyone's saying it's going to cut $10 million dollars off Lee's next contract. But in the context of the discussion, Lee signing a 3-4 year deal(which would be his last extended deal), the value of being able to block a trade, even if it's one team down the line, would have more than insignificant value.

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Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then your at the will of your new team.

 

I can't imagine that saving a team any significant money in contract talks. At the same time you can use your 10/5 rights to negotiate terms for accepting a trade.

 

I don't think anyone's saying it's going to cut $10 million dollars off Lee's next contract. But in the context of the discussion, Lee signing a 3-4 year deal(which would be his last extended deal), the value of being able to block a trade, even if it's one team down the line, would have more than insignificant value.

 

i don't think in this situation it would. Lee is highly unlikely to waive his 10/5 rights. And even if he did, he could ask for a NTC from his new team as compensation for waiving his 10/5 rights before agreeing to the trade.

[Rob]

Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then you're at the will of your new team.

Couldn't a guy just say, "OK if you want me to waive my 10/5 rights, then you need to add a NTC to my contract"?

 

They sure could, and they'd probably get it.

 

But they're using their leverage on that instead of something else which might have a more tangible value... say an assignment bonus.

[Tracer Bullet]

Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then you're at the will of your new team.

Couldn't a guy just say, "OK if you want me to waive my 10/5 rights, then you need to add a NTC to my contract"?

 

They sure could, and they'd probably get it.

 

But they're using their leverage on that instead of something else which might have a more tangible value... say an assignment bonus.

 

If the team comes and says "we're going to trade you to Team X, do you approve?" the player says "yes, but only if they give me X, Y, Z." The player has a lot (almost all?) of the leverage in that situation.

[davearm2]

Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then you're at the will of your new team.

Couldn't a guy just say, "OK if you want me to waive my 10/5 rights, then you need to add a NTC to my contract"?

 

They sure could, and they'd probably get it.

 

But they're using their leverage on that instead of something else which might have a more tangible value... say an assignment bonus.

Those aren't mutually exclusive. It's not like you are allowed only one concession.

[Rob]

Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then you're at the will of your new team.

Couldn't a guy just say, "OK if you want me to waive my 10/5 rights, then you need to add a NTC to my contract"?

 

They sure could, and they'd probably get it.

 

But they're using their leverage on that instead of something else which might have a more tangible value... say an assignment bonus.

Those aren't mutually exclusive. It's not like you are allowed only one concession.

 

They could be mutually exclusive. Leverage only extends so far.

[davearm2]

Because if you waive the NTC to go to another team, you can still control your fate with the NTC once you get there. If you just keep your 10/5 rights and waive them for a trade, then you're at the will of your new team.

Couldn't a guy just say, "OK if you want me to waive my 10/5 rights, then you need to add a NTC to my contract"?

 

They sure could, and they'd probably get it.

 

But they're using their leverage on that instead of something else which might have a more tangible value... say an assignment bonus.

Those aren't mutually exclusive. It's not like you are allowed only one concession.

 

They could be mutually exclusive. Leverage only extends so far.

Leverage extends as far as you want if a guy would prefer not to be traded in the first place.

 

All he has to say is, "I'll just stay unless you give me what I want."

 

Heck Oswalt appears to be doing exactly this right now. And he'd be just as much in the driver's seat with just 10/5.

[CUBZ99]

Levine is reporting that Lee will not waive his NTC.

[ctcf]

Levine is reporting that Lee will not waive his NTC.

 

Jerk.

[ConstableRabbit]

ESPN reporting he blocked a trade to the Angels:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5417150

[daske17]

Levine is reporting that Lee will not waive his NTC.

 

Jerk.

 

I don't blame him. If I was in his position, I'd probably do the same. He already has a World Series ring, his family is settled here in the city, what's the incentive to agree to a trade?

[Prizefight]

Levine is reporting that Lee will not waive his NTC.

 

 

[expletive] you Hendry

[ConstableRabbit]

Levine is reporting that Lee will not waive his NTC.

 

 

[expletive] you Hendry

Umm, he's a 10 and 5 guy dude. He could block regardless of Hendry's doings.