Derrek Lee Blocks Trade to Angels

[dew1679666265]

I think this deserves its own thread, but if not it can be merged.

 

The Angels haven't halted their pursuit of a power bat, sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Garrett Jones of the Pirates and Derrek Lee of the Cubs are two of the hitters that they are monitoring. However, sources could not confirm if Tony Reagins & Co. are in active talks for either player.

 

Not earth-shattering news, but I wonder if we could finagle Haren in some way - DLee + prospect(s) for Haren?

[TruffleShuffle]

wait why would they trade haren when they just got him?

[Sammy Sofa]

Insanity?

[A New Era]

because everyone wants to overpay for our crap/mediocre players. Pay attention man.

[dew1679666265]

wait why would they trade haren when they just got him?

 

I've heard a couple times that they might intend to spin him off again for a big bat. I wouldn't trade him personally, but that's what I've heard.

[TruffleShuffle]

big bat != lee

[dew1679666265]

because everyone wants to overpay for our crap/mediocre players. Pay attention man.

 

Haren was just traded for a package built around a 30 year old pitcher with career 4.69 xFIP and 5.10 K/9. It all depends on how much the Angels value DLee and whether they think they can fix whatever his struggles have been this year.

 

I wouldn't do a trade like that, but I wouldn't have traded Haren in the first place if I was Arizona.

[dew1679666265]

big bat != lee

 

According to Jon Paul Morosi the Angels think he is. And he could be if their scouts see something fixable in his problems this year.

 

Are there multiple positions the Angels could upgrade at? I was thinking their only real opening was first, but I'm not that familiar with their current roster.

[17 Seconds]

derrek lee is terible and i'm pretty sure other teams realize it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think this deserves its own thread, but if not it can be merged.

 

The Angels haven't halted their pursuit of a power bat, sources tell Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Garrett Jones of the Pirates and Derrek Lee of the Cubs are two of the hitters that they are monitoring. However, sources could not confirm if Tony Reagins & Co. are in active talks for either player.

 

Not earth-shattering news, but I wonder if we could finagle Haren in some way - DLee + prospect(s) for Haren?

 

If the prospects are named Castro, Cashner, and Jackson(take your pick), we might have a deal.

[davell]

Well, I certainly don't see the Angels trading away Haren. I think this move means just as much, if not more, to them next year, instead of this deadline. That said, I don't think they gave up a ton for him either. Helped by Haren's off year obviously.

 

But, I can see where they'd be interested in Lee too now, since they at least made a move to go for it this year. Unfortunately, there probably aren't very many, if any other takers for Lee. So trading him probably won't net us much at all, since he's not going to get offered arb by anyone. Still, if we could get at least one guy with solid upside for him, I'd go ahead and make the deal, assuming he's willing to leave.

[dew1679666265]

If the prospects are named Castro, Cashner, and Jackson(take your pick), we might have a deal.

 

That's what I would have thought before the Haren trade as well. I would have laughed if I was told Haren would be traded for a package including a 30 year old pitcher with an xFIP close to 4.7 who strikes out around 5 batters per game.

 

I'd be stunned if they were looking to spin Haren off and if they valued Lee that highly, but I was stunned they got him for a package built around Joe Saunders as well.

[dew1679666265]

Well, I certainly don't see the Angels trading away Haren. I think this move means just as much, if not more, to them next year, instead of this deadline. That said, I don't think they gave up a ton for him either. Helped by Haren's off year obviously.

 

That would be the most likely scenario and the one that makes the most sense.

[davell]

By the way, Bruce has an article up and mentioned Lilly, Theriot, and Nady as possible Cubs on the move. Said it was likely we'd non tender Theriot, if we don't deal him. No mention whatsoever of Lee though.

[hawkeyecub]

By the way, Bruce has an article up and mentioned Lilly, Theriot, and Nady as possible Cubs on the move. Said it was likely we'd non tender Theriot, if we don't deal him. No mention whatsoever of Lee though.

 

That's good to hear. I just wish Lou would remember that Theriot doesn't have to start at 2B every day.

 

I'm really curious as to what will happen with Lee. I could see Jim trading him next week if we lose a few games or signing him to another 2-3 year deal.

[Post Count Padder]

By the way, Bruce has an article up and mentioned Lilly, Theriot, and Nady as possible Cubs on the move. Said it was likely we'd non tender Theriot, if we don't deal him. No mention whatsoever of Lee though.

That's what I like to hear. All that remains to be seen is if Hendry can get everything he can for them. Here's to hoping other teams overvalue Theriot's grit.

[TruffleShuffle]

If the prospects are named Castro, Cashner, and Jackson(take your pick), we might have a deal.

 

That's what I would have thought before the Haren trade as well. I would have laughed if I was told Haren would be traded for a package including a 30 year old pitcher with an xFIP close to 4.7 who strikes out around 5 batters per game.

 

I'd be stunned if they were looking to spin Haren off and if they valued Lee that highly, but I was stunned they got him for a package built around Joe Saunders as well.

 

i can guarantee you there are a couple of teams that are pissed off that the d'backs only got that in return because they could have easily trumped the angels' offer without too much damage to their system.

[dew1679666265]

If the prospects are named Castro, Cashner, and Jackson(take your pick), we might have a deal.

 

That's what I would have thought before the Haren trade as well. I would have laughed if I was told Haren would be traded for a package including a 30 year old pitcher with an xFIP close to 4.7 who strikes out around 5 batters per game.

 

I'd be stunned if they were looking to spin Haren off and if they valued Lee that highly, but I was stunned they got him for a package built around Joe Saunders as well.

 

i can guarantee you there are a couple of teams that are pissed off that the d'backs only got that in return because they could have easily trumped the angels' offer without too much damage to their system.

 

Probably. I never know how much these trades tell us about the GM giving the player away for very little or if it tells us more about what the "real" value of the player on the market is.

[Post Count Padder]

Rangers looking, too:

 

The Rangers are known to be seeking a right-handed hitting first baseman, perhaps a platoon partner for Chris Davis. USA Today's Bob Nightengale tweets that they are "in deep conversations" with the Marlins for Jorge Cantu, and "taking a close look" at the Cubs' Derrek Lee. They'd also like to add another starting pitcher and a lefty reliever.

[Tracer Bullet]

If the prospects are named Castro, Cashner, and Jackson(take your pick), we might have a deal.

 

That's what I would have thought before the Haren trade as well. I would have laughed if I was told Haren would be traded for a package including a 30 year old pitcher with an xFIP close to 4.7 who strikes out around 5 batters per game.

 

I'd be stunned if they were looking to spin Haren off and if they valued Lee that highly, but I was stunned they got him for a package built around Joe Saunders as well.

 

i can guarantee you there are a couple of teams that are pissed off that the d'backs only got that in return because they could have easily trumped the angels' offer without too much damage to their system.

 

Probably. I never know how much these trades tell us about the GM giving the player away for very little or if it tells us more about what the "real" value of the player on the market is.

 

I thought the PTBNA was widely considered the Angels top prospect. So the top prospect plus a 2009 2nd round pick. I don't know much about either, but it's not like Saunders was the centerpiece.

[davearm2]

If the prospects are named Castro, Cashner, and Jackson(take your pick), we might have a deal.

 

That's what I would have thought before the Haren trade as well. I would have laughed if I was told Haren would be traded for a package including a 30 year old pitcher with an xFIP close to 4.7 who strikes out around 5 batters per game.

 

I'd be stunned if they were looking to spin Haren off and if they valued Lee that highly, but I was stunned they got him for a package built around Joe Saunders as well.

 

i can guarantee you there are a couple of teams that are pissed off that the d'backs only got that in return because they could have easily trumped the angels' offer without too much damage to their system.

I've never understood comments like this.

 

Why didn't those "pissed off" teams go ahead and trump the offer then? Did the D'Backs' GM not do proper due diligence in calling around to gauge interest in his guy? Did the GMs of these "pissed off" teams not pick up the phone and call Arizona?

 

The only way your explanation is plausible is if one or more GM is either lazy or asleep at the switch.

 

Either that, or the GMs of the "pissed off" teams screwed themselves by not putting their best offer on the table.

[davearm2]

If the prospects are named Castro, Cashner, and Jackson(take your pick), we might have a deal.

 

That's what I would have thought before the Haren trade as well. I would have laughed if I was told Haren would be traded for a package including a 30 year old pitcher with an xFIP close to 4.7 who strikes out around 5 batters per game.

 

I'd be stunned if they were looking to spin Haren off and if they valued Lee that highly, but I was stunned they got him for a package built around Joe Saunders as well.

 

i can guarantee you there are a couple of teams that are pissed off that the d'backs only got that in return because they could have easily trumped the angels' offer without too much damage to their system.

 

Probably. I never know how much these trades tell us about the GM giving the player away for very little or if it tells us more about what the "real" value of the player on the market is.

Provided the GM is competent, it reflects the "real" value of the player on the market.

 

Naturally there's also a ton of subjectivity involved in evaluating the prospects. Perhaps the D'Backs like these young guys more than the mainstream fan or expert analyst. It's the same phenomenon we saw with the Hayden Simpson pick (to name just one).

[Keener98]

If the prospects are named Castro, Cashner, and Jackson(take your pick), we might have a deal.

 

That's what I would have thought before the Haren trade as well. I would have laughed if I was told Haren would be traded for a package including a 30 year old pitcher with an xFIP close to 4.7 who strikes out around 5 batters per game.

 

I'd be stunned if they were looking to spin Haren off and if they valued Lee that highly, but I was stunned they got him for a package built around Joe Saunders as well.

 

i can guarantee you there are a couple of teams that are pissed off that the d'backs only got that in return because they could have easily trumped the angels' offer without too much damage to their system.

 

Probably. I never know how much these trades tell us about the GM giving the player away for very little or if it tells us more about what the "real" value of the player on the market is.

 

I thought the PTBNA was widely considered the Angels top prospect. So the top prospect plus a 2009 2nd round pick. I don't know much about either, but it's not like Saunders was the centerpiece.

 

The DBacks gave up Haren without getting a Top 100 prospect back. Very hard to believe noone else offered them a better deal, it doesnt make much sense.

[dew1679666265]

I thought the PTBNA was widely considered the Angels top prospect. So the top prospect plus a 2009 2nd round pick. I don't know much about either, but it's not like Saunders was the centerpiece.

 

The PTBNL is apparently Tyler Skaggs, not the Angels' top prospect but the 40th pick in Anaheim's 2009 draft. That makes a former first and second round pick from that draft plus Rafael Rodriguez and Saunders.

 

Apparently Arizona likes Skaggs and Corbin more than most, so they may be viewed as the centerpieces of the deal.

[dew1679666265]

Provided the GM is competent, it reflects the "real" value of the player on the market.

 

That was my question: is Dipoto competent? I have no idea, but would assume he was careful to collect all possible offers and choose the best one.

 

If that's the case, then it appears Haren's market value is far below where it probably should be and where most on this board (myself included) thought it would be.

 

Naturally there's also a ton of subjectivity involved in evaluating the prospects. Perhaps the D'Backs like these young guys more than the mainstream fan or expert analyst. It's the same phenomenon we saw with the Hayden Simpson pick (to name just one).

 

Apparently they like Skaggs and Corbin more than most people do. They could definitely see something in the two that makes them more sure they'll pan out and be very good pitchers, but with the information we currently have it appears to be a pretty awful deal for them.