Fukudome on the Block

[dew1679666265]

He sucked in July and August of 08, in June of 09, and in June of 10.

 

In reality, it's just too small of a sample size at this point. If he sucks in July and/or August of this year, you may be on to something.

 

I think it shows more that he's a streaky player. He starts out hot and then gets streaky throughout the rest of the year. Being bad in 1-2 months out of a four-month stretch just doesn't show that a player is bad over that entire four-month period. It shows that he's a very streaky player during that period.

 

And honestly, it's hard to take a lot out of this month for him. He's been bad no doubt, but only in 11 games so far with inconsistent play.

[Guest]

Assertion: Kosuke starts fast, then fades during the summer months

 

2009 Apr - Jun: .251/.367/.421/.787

2009 Jul - Oct: .267/.384/.421/.805

 

oops.

[davearm2]

June is a summer month.

 

April + May 2009 = .946 OPS

June on = .738 OPS

[Keener98]

June is a summer month.

 

April + May 2009 = .946 OPS

June on = .738 OPS

 

There are more days in June that aren't summer than there are that is summer. 20 days are "spring" 10 days are summer.

[davearm2]

June is a summer month.

 

April + May 2009 = .946 OPS

June on = .738 OPS

 

There are more days in June that aren't summer than there are that is summer. 20 days are "spring" 10 days are summer.

We're not using the farmer's almanac or some arcane meteorological definition here. When people talk about summer they're including June.

[Guest]

June is a summer month.

 

April + May 2009 = .946 OPS

June on = .738 OPS

 

There are more days in June that aren't summer than there are that is summer. 20 days are "spring" 10 days are summer.

We're not using the farmer's almanac or some arcane meteorological definition here. When people talk about summer they're including June.

Arcane meteorological definition? You make it sound like nobody has ever heard that summer starts around June 21st.

 

Somehow, I'm not surprised you're picking up this stupid argument, though.

[SouthSideRyan]

June is a summer month.

 

April + May 2009 = .946 OPS

June on = .738 OPS

 

There are more days in June that aren't summer than there are that is summer. 20 days are "spring" 10 days are summer.

We're not using the farmer's almanac or some arcane meteorological definition here. When people talk about summer they're including June.

 

What people?

[davearm2]

June is a summer month.

 

April + May 2009 = .946 OPS

June on = .738 OPS

 

There are more days in June that aren't summer than there are that is summer. 20 days are "spring" 10 days are summer.

We're not using the farmer's almanac or some arcane meteorological definition here. When people talk about summer they're including June.

 

What people?

Anyone that's gone to school, for starters.

[Tracer Bullet]

June is a summer month.

 

April + May 2009 = .946 OPS

June on = .738 OPS

 

There are more days in June that aren't summer than there are that is summer. 20 days are "spring" 10 days are summer.

We're not using the farmer's almanac or some arcane meteorological definition here. When people talk about summer they're including June.

 

What people?

Anyone that's gone to school, for starters.

 

So people think summer starts June 1 b/c school gets out around then, even though many of them go into June (schools here ended last week)? that's a pretty tough argument to make.

[davearm2]

That's not what I said.

 

What I said was, given the choice to include or exclude June as a summer month, most folks would choose to include it.

 

Frankly I have a hard time understanding why anyone would dispute that, because it really wouldn't even be close.

[Sammy Sofa]

Who cares if it's a summer month? If we're talking about 2009's numbers he killed it in July and August, so there goes the whole "he sucks in the summer months" theory from looking at last season, unless you're now declaring September to be a summer month, too.

[davearm2]

Who cares if it's a summer month? If we're talking about 2009's numbers he killed it in July and August, so there goes the whole "he sucks in the summer months" theory from looking at last season, unless you're now declaring September to be a summer month, too.

Well Tim does, because the statistical argument he made hinges on it.

 

Look he used a bogus definition of summer so as to twist the numbers to fit a premise. As I showed, when that error is corrected, the numbers support the exact opposite conclusion.

 

A little intellectual dishonesty is one thing, but when he topped it off with a dash of smug arrogance, it became too much to let slide.

 

In the end, though, the most logical conclusion is that Fukudome is simply really streaky, regardless of the month or season.

[Sammy Sofa]

In the end, though, the most logical conclusion is that Fukudome is simply really streaky, regardless of the month or season.

 

I wouldn't necessarily say "really streaky." Soriano strikes me as a really streaky player. Fukudome definitely has his peaks and valleys, but his valleys last year seemed relegated to a couple of a long stretches as opposed flipping on and off like a streaky player like Soriano does.

[Guest]

This is really not a difficult concept. "Kosuke gets off to hot starts" and "Kosuke fades as the year goes on" are two different points. The first can be pretty much confirmed, the 2nd can not.

[davearm2]

In the end, though, the most logical conclusion is that Fukudome is simply really streaky, regardless of the month or season.

 

I wouldn't necessarily say "really streaky." Soriano strikes me as a really streaky player. Fukudome definitely has his peaks and valleys, but his valleys last year seemed relegated to a couple of a long stretches as opposed flipping on and off like a streaky player like Soriano does.

It's not as though there's only one "really streaky" crown in the castle.

[Sammy Sofa]

In the end, though, the most logical conclusion is that Fukudome is simply really streaky, regardless of the month or season.

 

I wouldn't necessarily say "really streaky." Soriano strikes me as a really streaky player. Fukudome definitely has his peaks and valleys, but his valleys last year seemed relegated to a couple of a long stretches as opposed flipping on and off like a streaky player like Soriano does.

It's not as though there's only one "really streaky" crown in the castle.

 

I'm just saying, it's not a description I would think accurately describes Fukudome. All players are streaky in one way or another, but he really hasn't shown himself to be a player of relatively short term peaks and valleys like Soriano.

[italianocubsfan7]

Who cares if it's a summer month? If we're talking about 2009's numbers he killed it in July and August, so there goes the whole "he sucks in the summer months" theory from looking at last season, unless you're now declaring September to be a summer month, too.

 

I don't know if I'd call a .254 average with 27 RBI over the three summer months "killing" it.

[Sammy Sofa]

Who cares if it's a summer month? If we're talking about 2009's numbers he killed it in July and August, so there goes the whole "he sucks in the summer months" theory from looking at last season, unless you're now declaring September to be a summer month, too.

 

I don't know if I'd call a .254 average with 27 RBI over the three summer months "killing" it.

 

Wait, what? How does July and August become three months? How can someone come to the conclusion that he sucks in the summer if he's a very good player for 2 of the 3 summer months? It's not like his July and August numbers are propped up with a decent performance stretched out over relatively few PA. In July he had 103 PA and managed a .926 OPS. In August he pulled off a .904 OPS, again in 103 PA. His horrible June was over the course of 96 PA.

 

I am simply baffled as to how anyone can come to the conclusion that he sucks in the summer based on his 2009 numbers. This tangent just gets increasingly bizarre.

 

And now he's getting slammed for "only" having 24 RBI in July and August? What? He had 12 RBI's in each month, which is 2nd only to his April, where had 15, that people keep talking about like it was some amazing month he'd never come close to again.

Edited June 24, 2010 by Sammy Sofa

[Keener98]

Who cares if it's a summer month? If we're talking about 2009's numbers he killed it in July and August, so there goes the whole "he sucks in the summer months" theory from looking at last season, unless you're now declaring September to be a summer month, too.

 

I don't know if I'd call a .254 average with 27 RBI over the three summer months "killing" it.

 

Where did he say 3 summer months? July+August= 2 months of said "killing it".

[italianocubsfan7]

Who cares if it's a summer month? If we're talking about 2009's numbers he killed it in July and August, so there goes the whole "he sucks in the summer months" theory from looking at last season, unless you're now declaring September to be a summer month, too.

 

I don't know if I'd call a .254 average with 27 RBI over the three summer months "killing" it.

 

Wait, what? How does July and August become three months? How can someone come to the conclusion that he sucks in the summer if he's a very good player for 2 of the 3 summer months? It's not like his July and August numbers are propped up with a decent performance stretched out over relatively few PA. In July he had 103 PA and managed a .926 OPS. In August he pulled off a .904 OPS, again in 103 PA. His horrible June was over the course of 96 PA.

 

I am simply baffled as to how anyone can come to the conclusion that he sucks in the summer based on his 2009 numbers. This tangent just gets increasingly bizarre.

 

And now he's getting slammed for "only" having 24 RBI in July and August? What? He had 12 RBI's in each month, which is 2nd only to his April, where had 15, that people keep talking about like it was some amazing month he'd never come close to again.

 

June, July, and August being summer months is not the point. 96 PA compared to 103 PA the other two months? Wow, that's such a BIG difference. C'mon man, I had 7 plate appearances in my own two games this past weekend.

 

I never said Fukudome "only" has X number of RBI, as you stated. I'm saying how many he had over that span. Baseball (statistically speaking), as you should know, is based of averages and percentages. Earned-run average, batting average, winning percentage, etc. That is an average of 9 RBI per month. With about 25-30 games per month, that is pathetic for a starting position player, which he was.

 

Lastly, I haven't been on this board enough lately, but the notion to trade or bench Fukudome in favor of Colvin is not as crazy or absurd as you make it sound. Colvin is a pure hitter, while Fukudome still has his cork-screw like swing. Fukudome is NOT the future. After his contract is up, he will NOT be back. Since you used the term "simple" in your defense, I will too. It's that simple, man. This is the MAJOR LEAGUES, where you play the future. AND Colvin is a solid player. He's a baseball player who takes advantage of his opportunity when he gets it, and when he doesn't play he stays humble and does his job accordingly. Fukudome is solid defensively, but saunters on the bench when he's not starting and is not the definition of a "baseball player". Do you ever wonder if he CARES about winning baseball games!?

 

Stop your defense of Kosuke, your wasting your time. He's not giving anything to this team. The Cubs are 31-40. NINE games under .500. With that poor of a record, a team usually is in the need of a shakeup. Whether that is trading a guy, playing someone else, bring a kid up from the minors, etc. Kosuke is not winning us games.

[Little Slide Rooter]

While I dont blame Lou for getting Colvin in as much as possible, I really dont agree with benching Fukudome as Lou has. I mean if they are trying to trade him, they need to play him, and heres your chance to play all 4 outfielders, Colvin in left, Fuku in right, and Soriano at DH. But no, Lou is to set in his lefty/righty [expletive] that he doesnt see the opportunity to get Kosuke some playing time, which he desprtely needs especially if they expect to get anything in return for him other than an open roster spot. I mean [expletive], Kosuke is still batting .281 with an OPS well over .800.

[inari]

Who cares if it's a summer month? If we're talking about 2009's numbers he killed it in July and August, so there goes the whole "he sucks in the summer months" theory from looking at last season, unless you're now declaring September to be a summer month, too.

 

I don't know if I'd call a .254 average with 27 RBI over the three summer months "killing" it.

 

Wait, what? How does July and August become three months? How can someone come to the conclusion that he sucks in the summer if he's a very good player for 2 of the 3 summer months? It's not like his July and August numbers are propped up with a decent performance stretched out over relatively few PA. In July he had 103 PA and managed a .926 OPS. In August he pulled off a .904 OPS, again in 103 PA. His horrible June was over the course of 96 PA.

 

I am simply baffled as to how anyone can come to the conclusion that he sucks in the summer based on his 2009 numbers. This tangent just gets increasingly bizarre.

 

And now he's getting slammed for "only" having 24 RBI in July and August? What? He had 12 RBI's in each month, which is 2nd only to his April, where had 15, that people keep talking about like it was some amazing month he'd never come close to again.

 

June, July, and August being summer months is not the point. 96 PA compared to 103 PA the other two months? Wow, that's such a BIG difference. C'mon man, I had 7 plate appearances in my own two games this past weekend.

 

I never said Fukudome "only" has X number of RBI, as you stated. I'm saying how many he had over that span. Baseball (statistically speaking), as you should know, is based of averages and percentages. Earned-run average, batting average, winning percentage, etc. That is an average of 9 RBI per month. With about 25-30 games per month, that is pathetic for a starting position player, which he was.

 

Lastly, I haven't been on this board enough lately, but the notion to trade or bench Fukudome in favor of Colvin is not as crazy or absurd as you make it sound. Colvin is a pure hitter, while Fukudome still has his cork-screw like swing. Fukudome is NOT the future. After his contract is up, he will NOT be back. Since you used the term "simple" in your defense, I will too. It's that simple, man. This is the MAJOR LEAGUES, where you play the future. AND Colvin is a solid player. He's a baseball player who takes advantage of his opportunity when he gets it, and when he doesn't play he stays humble and does his job accordingly. Fukudome is solid defensively, but saunters on the bench when he's not starting and is not the definition of a "baseball player". Do you ever wonder if he CARES about winning baseball games!?

Stop your defense of Kosuke, your wasting your time. He's not giving anything to this team. The Cubs are 31-40. NINE games under .500. With that poor of a record, a team usually is in the need of a shakeup. Whether that is trading a guy, playing someone else, bring a kid up from the minors, etc. Kosuke is not winning us games.

 

Oh god that's right outta fire Joe Morgan.

[Tracer Bullet]

Who cares if it's a summer month? If we're talking about 2009's numbers he killed it in July and August, so there goes the whole "he sucks in the summer months" theory from looking at last season, unless you're now declaring September to be a summer month, too.

 

I don't know if I'd call a .254 average with 27 RBI over the three summer months "killing" it.

 

Wait, what? How does July and August become three months? How can someone come to the conclusion that he sucks in the summer if he's a very good player for 2 of the 3 summer months? It's not like his July and August numbers are propped up with a decent performance stretched out over relatively few PA. In July he had 103 PA and managed a .926 OPS. In August he pulled off a .904 OPS, again in 103 PA. His horrible June was over the course of 96 PA.

 

I am simply baffled as to how anyone can come to the conclusion that he sucks in the summer based on his 2009 numbers. This tangent just gets increasingly bizarre.

 

And now he's getting slammed for "only" having 24 RBI in July and August? What? He had 12 RBI's in each month, which is 2nd only to his April, where had 15, that people keep talking about like it was some amazing month he'd never come close to again.

 

June, July, and August being summer months is not the point. 96 PA compared to 103 PA the other two months? Wow, that's such a BIG difference. C'mon man, I had 7 plate appearances in my own two games this past weekend.

 

I never said Fukudome "only" has X number of RBI, as you stated. I'm saying how many he had over that span. Baseball (statistically speaking), as you should know, is based of averages and percentages. Earned-run average, batting average, winning percentage, etc. That is an average of 9 RBI per month. With about 25-30 games per month, that is pathetic for a starting position player, which he was.

 

Lastly, I haven't been on this board enough lately, but the notion to trade or bench Fukudome in favor of Colvin is not as crazy or absurd as you make it sound. Colvin is a pure hitter, while Fukudome still has his cork-screw like swing. Fukudome is NOT the future. After his contract is up, he will NOT be back. Since you used the term "simple" in your defense, I will too. It's that simple, man. This is the MAJOR LEAGUES, where you play the future. AND Colvin is a solid player. He's a baseball player who takes advantage of his opportunity when he gets it, and when he doesn't play he stays humble and does his job accordingly. Fukudome is solid defensively, but saunters on the bench when he's not starting and is not the definition of a "baseball player". Do you ever wonder if he CARES about winning baseball games!?

 

Stop your defense of Kosuke, your wasting your time. He's not giving anything to this team. The Cubs are 31-40. NINE games under .500. With that poor of a record, a team usually is in the need of a shakeup. Whether that is trading a guy, playing someone else, bring a kid up from the minors, etc. Kosuke is not winning us games.

 

wow.

 

you can argue your position, but please don't tell other posters to stop arguing theirs.

[Banedon]

Wow...why'd all the crazy arguments pick this thread?

[17 Seconds]

 

Stop your defense of Kosuke, your wasting your time. He's not giving anything to this team. The Cubs are 31-40. NINE games under .500. With that poor of a record, a team usually is in the need of a shakeup. Whether that is trading a guy, playing someone else, bring a kid up from the minors, etc. Kosuke is not winning us games.

 

is marlon byrd giving anything to this team? i mean, we're NINE games under .500