Bulls Offseason Thread

[WrigleyField 22]

Just fwiw, if the Bulls wanted to have cap space for 2011, they would likely need to move at the very least Kirk Hinrich, or most likely Loul Deng for an expiring contract.

 

It is kind of use it or lose it situation. Do it now while Noah is cheap.

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wtf, for some reason i have been under the impression that hinrich WAS an expiring this upcoming season. [expletive].

[Flames24Rulz]

I think Melo's NY bound too.

 

I thought Kirk's contract was up after this upcoming season as well. That's sort of a buzzkill. It's not really going to matter though because we're using all of our cap room somehow or someway in the next few weeks.

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I think Melo's NY bound too.

 

I thought Kirk's contract was up after this upcoming season as well. That's sort of a buzzkill. It's not really going to matter though because we're using all of our cap room somehow or someway in the next few weeks.

 

on the likes of joe johnson and david lee

[Flames24Rulz]

I think Melo's NY bound too.

 

I thought Kirk's contract was up after this upcoming season as well. That's sort of a buzzkill. It's not really going to matter though because we're using all of our cap room somehow or someway in the next few weeks.

 

on the likes of joe johnson and david lee

 

I hope not, but that's probably the likely scenario.

[RedFlash]

I think Melo's NY bound too.

 

I thought Kirk's contract was up after this upcoming season as well. That's sort of a buzzkill. It's not really going to matter though because we're using all of our cap room somehow or someway in the next few weeks.

 

on the likes of joe johnson and david lee

 

I hope not, but that's probably the likely scenario.

 

Johnson/Lee is A scenario, not necessarily THE likely scenerio. Who said the Bulls had to use the cap space of a FA? I still believe we have a great chance at landing LBJ, and in the case we don't, I don't see Johnson/Lee combo at all. Maybe Johnson/Boozer, but I am holding out that if LBJ isn't in Chicago, I hope we can land plan B of Johnson/Bosh.

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I think Melo's NY bound too.

 

I thought Kirk's contract was up after this upcoming season as well. That's sort of a buzzkill. It's not really going to matter though because we're using all of our cap room somehow or someway in the next few weeks.

 

on the likes of joe johnson and david lee

 

I hope not, but that's probably the likely scenario.

 

Johnson/Lee is A scenario, not necessarily THE likely scenerio. Who said the Bulls had to use the cap space of a FA? I still believe we have a great chance at landing LBJ, and in the case we don't, I don't see Johnson/Lee combo at all. Maybe Johnson/Boozer, but I am holding out that if LBJ isn't in Chicago, I hope we can land plan B of Johnson/Bosh.

 

how are the bulls going to afford bosh AND johnson? if we got bosh that would be pretty much it (and it would be awesome)

[David]

how are the bulls going to afford bosh AND johnson? if we got bosh that would be pretty much it (and it would be awesome)

 

 

It all depends on if they can clear up more salary... I'm doubtful that they can, but we know that's exactly what they're trying to do at the moment.

 

 

If they got it done, it would be a mortal lock IMO that Bosh and LBJ would be coming here (there is NO more attractive situation for them - not even close, really), though, so there's little chance of Bosh/JJ anyway.

Edited June 17, 2010 by David

[SpongeWorthy]

Our old pal Nocioni got traded to the Sixers today for Sam Dalembert.

[David]

Also, if we absolutely must include Noah in a S&T to Toronto for Bosh (this only in a scenario that LeBron comes too - I'm not moving Noah to put together Bosh/JJ/Rose or anything like that), I'd do it... but I'd try my best not to have to.

 

Even if we're stuck losing Noah, Bosh, LBJ, Rose is one hell of a core and a definite championship favorite.

[SpongeWorthy]

If we drafted someone like Hassan Whiteside I'd have to think moving Noah for Bosh would possibly be part of that equation. I'd do it just for Bosh probably. It'd suck to lose Noah but Bosh might not leave without getting that extra year.

[David]

If we drafted someone like Hassan Whiteside I'd have to think moving Noah for Bosh would possibly be part of that equation. I'd do it just for Bosh probably. It'd suck to lose Noah but Bosh might not leave without getting that extra year.

 

 

Well the key is moving Deng along with him... that's the only reason I'd include Noah...it'd be a sweetener to get them to take the contract. Otherwise there's no point. We would only need to give them value because of the fact that we're asking them to take on a bad contract.

 

And I wouldn't do it if it weren't a move to pair him up with LBJ.

[imb]

Our old pal Nocioni got traded to the Sixers today for Sam Dalembert.

 

i really wanted dalembert at the trade deadline.

[SpongeWorthy]

If we drafted someone like Hassan Whiteside I'd have to think moving Noah for Bosh would possibly be part of that equation. I'd do it just for Bosh probably. It'd suck to lose Noah but Bosh might not leave without getting that extra year.

 

 

Well the key is moving Deng along with him... that's the only reason I'd include Noah...it'd be a sweetener to get them to take the contract. Otherwise there's no point. We would only need to give them value because of the fact that we're asking them to take on a bad contract.

 

And I wouldn't do it if it weren't a move to pair him up with LBJ.

 

It might come down to a mini bidding war for Bosh though. That 6th year is much more valuable to him than it is for someone like Lebron. A S&T centered around Noah for Bosh, without the motive of clearing cap space to pursue another max FA (which would be great obviously), but to get him away from the Raptors isn't out of the question.

 

I like Noah and it would be great to have him on the team and even more fun to win with him but Bosh is a borderline top 10 player in the league. You have to do that I think.

 

Of course you could always sign Amare, Boozer, or Lee outright and keep Noah.

[David]

If we drafted someone like Hassan Whiteside I'd have to think moving Noah for Bosh would possibly be part of that equation. I'd do it just for Bosh probably. It'd suck to lose Noah but Bosh might not leave without getting that extra year.

 

 

Well the key is moving Deng along with him... that's the only reason I'd include Noah...it'd be a sweetener to get them to take the contract. Otherwise there's no point. We would only need to give them value because of the fact that we're asking them to take on a bad contract.

 

And I wouldn't do it if it weren't a move to pair him up with LBJ.

 

It might come down to a mini bidding war for Bosh though. That 6th year is much more valuable to him than it is for someone like Lebron. A S&T centered around Noah for Bosh, without the motive of clearing cap space to pursue another max FA (which would be great obviously), but to get him away from the Raptors isn't out of the question.

 

I like Noah and it would be great to have him on the team and even more fun to win with him but Bosh is a borderline top 10 player in the league. You have to do that I think.

 

Of course you could always sign Amare, Boozer, or Lee outright and keep Noah.

 

 

There's no bidding war in that scenario... if the Bulls have a slot open and are just looking to sign Bosh and not trying to peddle away Deng, Bosh has the leverage. It's not like Bosh is just telling Toronto to sign him and trade him to whoever gives them the best offer. Bosh chooses where he goes and then the S&T is worked out. Why would Bosh want the Bulls go give up one of their most important players just to sign him (without leaving a max slot open for LBJ)?

[David]

Hopefully it's a non-issue though, and we can give them enough sweeteners (Gibson, picks, etc.) to get it done without Noah. Our best shot at that is if they manage to dump Turky-Glue, as has been rumored.

 

 

That, or we can just find a team to dump Deng (with sweeteners, of course) for cap space.

[SpongeWorthy]

If we drafted someone like Hassan Whiteside I'd have to think moving Noah for Bosh would possibly be part of that equation. I'd do it just for Bosh probably. It'd suck to lose Noah but Bosh might not leave without getting that extra year.

 

 

Well the key is moving Deng along with him... that's the only reason I'd include Noah...it'd be a sweetener to get them to take the contract. Otherwise there's no point. We would only need to give them value because of the fact that we're asking them to take on a bad contract.

 

And I wouldn't do it if it weren't a move to pair him up with LBJ.

 

It might come down to a mini bidding war for Bosh though. That 6th year is much more valuable to him than it is for someone like Lebron. A S&T centered around Noah for Bosh, without the motive of clearing cap space to pursue another max FA (which would be great obviously), but to get him away from the Raptors isn't out of the question.

 

I like Noah and it would be great to have him on the team and even more fun to win with him but Bosh is a borderline top 10 player in the league. You have to do that I think.

 

Of course you could always sign Amare, Boozer, or Lee outright and keep Noah.

 

 

There's no bidding war in that scenario... if the Bulls have a slot open and are just looking to sign Bosh and not trying to peddle away Deng, Bosh has the leverage. It's not like Bosh is just telling Toronto to sign him and trade him to whoever gives them the best offer. Bosh chooses where he goes and then the S&T is worked out. Why would Bosh want the Bulls go give up one of their most important players just to sign him (without leaving a max slot open for LBJ)?

 

Bosh has the leverage in the sense that he can leave. But the Raptors have the leverage in that if he wants that extra year he has to play ball with Toronto.

 

Toronto could signal to the league, "our options are to resign Bosh, let him leave outright (and just getting that space is better than taking back a Deng-like contract, IMO), or S&T him." If Bosh really wants that extra year and a team really wants Bosh, they might have to send legit value in return. Sending Noah alone rather than sending Deng + Noah is better value especially since they've already got a really bad contract in Turkoglu.

[David]

I don't really see that being the case... and I'd never give up Noah in a S&T outright for Bosh. You just don't need to give up that kind of value in S&T's. It doesn't happen that way.

[SpongeWorthy]

I don't really see that being the case... and I'd never give up Noah in a S&T outright for Bosh. You just don't need to give up that kind of value in S&T's. It doesn't happen that way.

 

Every situation is different. We'll still have money for an ancillary piece even if we signed/S&T for a max guy right? You could find a shooter or a defensive big with that money.

 

I think the Bulls would have a window to really contend if you lose Noah, add Bosh, add a decent piece with the remaining money, and get a player in the draft that can contribute.

 

Something like

 

PG: Rose, Law?

SG: FA/draft shooter (preferably with size), Pargo

SF: Deng, Johnson

PF: Bosh, Gibson

C: FA/draft center, Asik

 

That's maybe a viable contender especially if Lebron goes to somewhere like New York.

[KingCubsFan]

If all we're going to get is someone like Johnson/Boozer/Lee, I'd just assume take our cap space and take Elton Brand off the 76ers hands along with the #2 pick. Rose, Turner and Noah would be better than overpaying for a semi-star.

[SpongeWorthy]

Philly's just gonna give us their #2 pick?

[KingCubsFan]

Philly's just gonna give us their #2 pick?

I do think it will take a blockbuster to convince Philly to move the No. 2 pick. Either someone is going to have to take Elton Brand off the Sixers' hands or offer them a young All-Star in return.

If they're really that desperate to give up Elton Brand, I'd gladly throw Hinrich (or trade Hinrich for an expiring contract) and the #16. And Gibson if that's what it took.

[SpongeWorthy]

So the Sixers would give up a shot at a potential franchise player just to get rid of Brand's deal?

 

Although Turner and Igoudala is kind of redundant and I think Turner's more of a 2nd banana.

[KingCubsFan]

So the Sixers would give up a shot at a potential franchise player just to get rid of Brand's deal?

 

Although Turner and Igoudala is kind of redundant and I think Turner's more of a 2nd banana.

Never underestimate the desperation of NBA GM's to get under the cap so they can waste it on overrated players a few years down the road.

[RedFlash]

I found it hilarious, but apparently LBJ rally in Akron was held today. Just as people were leaving the InfoCision Stadium on the University of Akron campus, James showed up literally at the last second. He collected his crystal ball trophy that the fans got him and he said:

 

Akron is my home. It’s my life. Everything I do is for this city. I love every last one of you.” And then he left and fast as he entered.

 

Take it however you want.