Zambrano and Soriano vastly UNDERpaid

[Little Slide Rooter]

Well, this guy seems to think so.

 

http://andcounting.adamkellogg.com/2010/04/zambrano-and-soriano-vastly-underpaid.html

[Guest]

Damn, I hate it when my authors post elsewhere. :)

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah that's nice that soriano has been paid less than he has produced over the course of his career; unfortunately, he is vastly overpaid at this point in time and will continue to be paid a very large amount of money to be not that good at baseball for the next few years. same with zambrano. how much they've produced over the course of their careers has nothing to do with whether they are worth what the cubs will pay them over the course of their current contract.

[Electron Blue]

where I can send my check?

[Careless]

So by this guy's logic, everyone who hasn't had a long career as a free agent and who hasn't sucked has been grossly underpaid, so the only people not being underpaid are old people who signed contracts as free agents and are badly underperforming? How many Cubs fans give a damn how much he was worth to the Yankees and Rangers compared to what he was paid by them?

 

edit: 2007 Soriano was worth $23 million? further edit: oh, it assumes he was god in the outfield

[Tarver]

yeah that's nice that soriano has been paid less than he has produced over the course of his career; unfortunately, he is vastly overpaid at this point in time and will continue to be paid a very large amount of money to be not that good at baseball for the next few years. same with zambrano. how much they've produced over the course of their careers has nothing to do with whether they are worth what the cubs will pay them over the course of their current contract.

Edited April 24, 2010 by Tarver

[Tarver]

yeah that's nice that soriano has been paid less than he has produced over the course of his career; unfortunately, he is vastly overpaid at this point in time and will continue to be paid a very large amount of money to be not that good at baseball for the next few years. same with zambrano. how much they've produced over the course of their careers has nothing to do with whether they are worth what the cubs will pay them over the course of their current contract.

 

 

Soriano was an obvious mistake, but as Meph and TT have illustrated, Z's hitting capabilties are enough to make him equitable with guys like Carpenter, Oswalt, et al. most years.

 

Not saying $90 mil wasn't too much, but he's a unique and elite talent. Soriano isn't.

[KingCubsFan]

yeah that's nice that soriano has been paid less than he has produced over the course of his career; unfortunately, he is vastly overpaid at this point in time and will continue to be paid a very large amount of money to be not that good at baseball for the next few years. same with zambrano. how much they've produced over the course of their careers has nothing to do with whether they are worth what the cubs will pay them over the course of their current contract.

 

 

Soriano was an obvious mistake, but as Meph and TT have illustrated, Z's hitting capabilties are enough to make him equitable with guys like Carpenter, Oswalt, et al. most years.

 

Not saying $90 mil wasn't too much, but he's a unique and elite talent. Soriano isn't.

I'd rather pay a pitcher 18 million to be a healthy Chris Carpenter (low 3's ERA, WHIP near 1) as opposed to a clearly inferior pitcher who hits a few cool homeruns. They're simply not equal. I think it's great that certain metrics and statistics are starting to factor in other facets of a player's game but now it seems like they're starting to go the other way and those other facets are staring to be a bit over-emphasized.

[Guest]

yeah that's nice that soriano has been paid less than he has produced over the course of his career; unfortunately, he is vastly overpaid at this point in time and will continue to be paid a very large amount of money to be not that good at baseball for the next few years. same with zambrano. how much they've produced over the course of their careers has nothing to do with whether they are worth what the cubs will pay them over the course of their current contract.

 

 

Soriano was an obvious mistake, but as Meph and TT have illustrated, Z's hitting capabilties are enough to make him equitable with guys like Carpenter, Oswalt, et al. most years.

 

Not saying $90 mil wasn't too much, but he's a unique and elite talent. Soriano isn't.

I'd rather pay a pitcher 18 million to be a healthy Chris Carpenter (low 3's ERA, WHIP near 1) as opposed to a clearly inferior pitcher who hits a few cool homeruns. They're simply not equal. I think it's great that certain metrics and statistics are starting to factor in other facets of a player's game but now it seems like they're starting to go the other way and those other facets are staring to be a bit over-emphasized.

 

A run saved is the same as a run earned.

[Fred Hornkohl]

yeah that's nice that soriano has been paid less than he has produced over the course of his career; unfortunately, he is vastly overpaid at this point in time and will continue to be paid a very large amount of money to be not that good at baseball for the next few years. same with zambrano. how much they've produced over the course of their careers has nothing to do with whether they are worth what the cubs will pay them over the course of their current contract.

 

 

Soriano was an obvious mistake, but as Meph and TT have illustrated, Z's hitting capabilties are enough to make him equitable with guys like Carpenter, Oswalt, et al. most years.

 

Not saying $90 mil wasn't too much, but he's a unique and elite talent. Soriano isn't.

I'd rather pay a pitcher 18 million to be a healthy Chris Carpenter (low 3's ERA, WHIP near 1) as opposed to a clearly inferior pitcher who hits a few cool homeruns. They're simply not equal. I think it's great that certain metrics and statistics are starting to factor in other facets of a player's game but now it seems like they're starting to go the other way and those other facets are staring to be a bit over-emphasized.

 

A run saved is the same as a run earned.

 

Didn't Ben Franklin say that ??

[Rob]

yeah that's nice that soriano has been paid less than he has produced over the course of his career; unfortunately, he is vastly overpaid at this point in time and will continue to be paid a very large amount of money to be not that good at baseball for the next few years. same with zambrano. how much they've produced over the course of their careers has nothing to do with whether they are worth what the cubs will pay them over the course of their current contract.

 

 

Soriano was an obvious mistake, but as Meph and TT have illustrated, Z's hitting capabilties are enough to make him equitable with guys like Carpenter, Oswalt, et al. most years.

 

Not saying $90 mil wasn't too much, but he's a unique and elite talent. Soriano isn't.

 

Where the hell is Meph posting now?

[inari]

yeah that's nice that soriano has been paid less than he has produced over the course of his career; unfortunately, he is vastly overpaid at this point in time and will continue to be paid a very large amount of money to be not that good at baseball for the next few years. same with zambrano. how much they've produced over the course of their careers has nothing to do with whether they are worth what the cubs will pay them over the course of their current contract.

 

 

Soriano was an obvious mistake, but as Meph and TT have illustrated, Z's hitting capabilties are enough to make him equitable with guys like Carpenter, Oswalt, et al. most years.

 

Not saying $90 mil wasn't too much, but he's a unique and elite talent. Soriano isn't.

 

Where the hell is Meph posting now?

 

He's still posting where I first met him - the IGN baseball board.

[NCCubFan]

So by this guy's logic, everyone who hasn't had a long career as a free agent and who hasn't sucked has been grossly underpaid, so the only people not being underpaid are old people who signed contracts as free agents and are badly underperforming? How many Cubs fans give a damn how much he was worth to the Yankees and Rangers compared to what he was paid by them?

 

edit: 2007 Soriano was worth $23 million? further edit: oh, it assumes he was god in the outfield

Freudian slip?

[imb]

yeah that's nice that soriano has been paid less than he has produced over the course of his career; unfortunately, he is vastly overpaid at this point in time and will continue to be paid a very large amount of money to be not that good at baseball for the next few years. same with zambrano. how much they've produced over the course of their careers has nothing to do with whether they are worth what the cubs will pay them over the course of their current contract.

 

 

Soriano was an obvious mistake, but as Meph and TT have illustrated, Z's hitting capabilties are enough to make him equitable with guys like Carpenter, Oswalt, et al. most years.

 

Not saying $90 mil wasn't too much, but he's a unique and elite talent. Soriano isn't.

 

Where the hell is Meph posting now?

 

He's still posting where I first met him - the IGN baseball board.

 

lol. it combines baseball, nerds and final fantasy, his 3 true loves

[NonProfitCow]

You forgot Tebow.

[biittner77]

A run saved is the same as a run earned.

 

Didn't Ben Franklin say that ??

 

I can't decide which "Fred is old" joke to go with here.

 

Back to the topic, I remember Meth defending Jason Marquis along the same lines: that his above average bat made up for his meh pitching ability. I just don't see how 2-3 abs balances out 6-7 innings of pitching.

[SouthSideRyan]

A run saved is the same as a run earned.

 

Didn't Ben Franklin say that ??

 

I can't decide which "Fred is old" joke to go with here.

 

Back to the topic, I remember Meth defending Jason Marquis along the same lines: that his above average bat made up for his meh pitching ability. I just don't see how 2-3 abs balances out 6-7 innings of pitching.

 

Do you see how starting Chad Tracy instead of Derrek Lee every 5 games would make a difference?

[biittner77]

Do you see how starting Chad Tracy instead of Derrek Lee every 5 games would make a difference?

 

I'm not really sure what you mean. Are you saying that the difference between Chad Tracy and Derrek Lee is the same as the difference between say Dempster (a bad hitter) and Zambrano? I don't believe comparing position players to pitchers is that much much of an apples to apples comparison.

 

A position player is going to get more PAs and are expected to do something with those chances. A pitcher typically has to pitch into the 7th inning in order to get 3 ABs. If they hit .250 (pretty good for a pitcher) that's 1 hit every other start.

[SouthSideRyan]

And it's unlikely Chad Tracy would get his last AB in the game if it was a remotely important position.

 

Zambrano has a ~400 point OPS advantage (A much bigger advantage than Lee vs. Tracy) over Dempster. He's also a better baserunner. What a particular position is "expected" to do is irrelevant. Shortstops used to not be expected to hit either. It didn't mean Cal Ripken wasn't a hell of a lot more valuable than the scrubs most other teams ran out there in the 80s.

[Sammy Sofa]

You forgot Tebow.

 

And Khalil Greene.

[Flames24Rulz]

You forgot Tebow.

 

And Khalil Greene.

 

And J.R. Towles.

[Fred Hornkohl]

A run saved is the same as a run earned.

 

Didn't Ben Franklin say that ??

 

I can't decide which "Fred is old" joke to go with here.

 

Back to the topic, I remember Meth defending Jason Marquis along the same lines: that his above average bat made up for his meh pitching ability. I just don't see how 2-3 abs balances out 6-7 innings of pitching.

 

re: "Fred is old" jokes...... insert any one randomly. They're all good, no?

 

re: Jason Marquis...... What's going on there. I know he was having some problems earlier, but I see now he's not even on the Nationals roster. Did he get released ???

 

 

edit: OK, I see he's just been placed on the 15 day DL.... expected to be out for 6 weeks..... taking cortisone and rest for bone chips instead of surgery.

[coldsteel]

Holy cow! After all these years, I finally knew something Fred didn't. Alleged elbow trouble for Marquis and a lengthy sidelining: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2010/04/jason_marquis_out_for_six_week.html

A shame since the Cubs would have loved to greet him again.

 

Is Big Z underpaid more now as mega-Marmol than as a starter?