What to do with the rotation when Lilly is activated?

[Old Style]

I read somewhere that they have already decided that Gorzo is staying in the rotation. Unless they do something ridiculously stupid, that has to mean Silva is headed to the pen. I guess that's because Old Man Piniella doesn't want four lefties in the bullpen. With the way he has pitched so far (I know, I know. Small sample size.) I'm not sure I want Carlos Silva dropped from the rotation.

[cubfan_in_cardland]

I usually don't drag up the rantings of other Cubs web forums, but is it totally ridiculous to think about moving Z to closer when Lilly comes back? Z isn't the "ace" we need him to be.

 

Marshall, Marmol and Z could anchor a bullpen fairly well, I think.

[dew1679666265]

I usually don't drag up the rantings of other Cubs web forums, but is it totally ridiculous to think about moving Z to closer when Lilly comes back? Z isn't the "ace" we need him to be.

 

Marshall, Marmol and Z could anchor a bullpen fairly well, I think.

 

Z would be more valuable starting than relieving. Especially since Marmol is a very good closer and Marshall would be excellent for the 8th inning role.

[Sammy Sofa]

I usually don't drag up the rantings of other Cubs web forums, but is it totally ridiculous to think about moving Z to closer when Lilly comes back? Z isn't the "ace" we need him to be.

 

Marshall, Marmol and Z could anchor a bullpen fairly well, I think.

 

A good starter is always more valuable than a reliever. Just because he's not a true ace doesn't mean you dump him into the bullpen.

[cubfan_in_cardland]

A good starter is always more valuable than a reliever. Just because he's not a true ace doesn't mean you dump him into the bullpen.

 

True, but the question is: Is he better than Silva or Gorzellany this year? The sample size is small, but so far, he isn't. Unless you go with a six-man rotation, somebody has to move to the pen.

[Cubswin11]

A good starter is always more valuable than a reliever. Just because he's not a true ace doesn't mean you dump him into the bullpen.

 

True, but the question is: Is he better than Silva or Gorzellany this year? The sample size is small, but so far, he isn't. Unless you go with a six-man rotation, somebody has to move to the pen.

Over the course of the season Zambrano is going to be better than Silva or Gorzo and it's likely he will be significantly better.

 

Zambrano's three "worst" seasons 07, 08, and 09 are all better than Silva's (05, 07) and Gorzo's (07) best seasons.

Edited April 21, 2010 by Cubswin11

[Guest]

A good starter is always more valuable than a reliever. Just because he's not a true ace doesn't mean you dump him into the bullpen.

 

True, but the question is: Is he better than Silva or Gorzellany this year? The sample size is small, but so far, he isn't. Unless you go with a six-man rotation, somebody has to move to the pen.

You have the wrong question. It doesn't matter what they've done so far.

 

The proper question: Who will provide the most value in the rotation going forward? To properly forecast that, it's silly to just use what they have done so far this year and ignore the mountains of evidence that the rest of their careers provide.

[Keener98]

A good starter is always more valuable than a reliever. Just because he's not a true ace doesn't mean you dump him into the bullpen.

 

True, but the question is: Is he better than Silva or Gorzellany this year? The sample size is small, but so far, he isn't. Unless you go with a six-man rotation, somebody has to move to the pen.

 

Sample size is really really small, and Z's career speaks loudly over Gorz/Silva.

[SouthSideRyan]

Is he better than Silva or Gorzellany this year?

 

Yes, unless he's hurt

[Cubswin11]

Does Gorzelanny have any options left?

[Sammy Sofa]

A good starter is always more valuable than a reliever. Just because he's not a true ace doesn't mean you dump him into the bullpen.

 

True, but the question is: Is he better than Silva or Gorzellany this year? The sample size is small, but so far, he isn't. Unless you go with a six-man rotation, somebody has to move to the pen.

 

Yes, I can say with 1 million percent certainty that Zambrano will be better than Silva and Gorzelanny this year.

[Bote McBoteface]

BUT ZAMBRANOS ERA IS LIKE 5.99 AND SILVAS IS 0.69 MOVE Z HE SUCK

[PackLandVA]

Silva goes to the pen. He's pitched in relief a lot more in his career than Gorzelanny (same reason I think Marshall wound up in the pen). He and Marshall would be the two 7th/8th inning veterans. And with one being right handed and the other left, that can be an advantage when a match up is necessary. Silva also doesn't walk batters either which is huge in late inning close games.

 

Zambrano -R

Lilly - L

Dempster - R

Wells - R

Gorzellany - L

 

Marmol - R

Marshall - L

Silva - R

Gray - R

Grabow - L

Russell - L

Berg - R

 

Nice combination of righties and lefties all around.

 

Shark - Undrafted NFL FA

[Old Style]

Unless they do something ridiculously stupid

#-o

[YearofDaCubs]

I usually don't drag up the rantings of other Cubs web forums, but is it totally ridiculous to think about moving Z to closer when Lilly comes back? Z isn't the "ace" we need him to be.

 

Marshall, Marmol and Z could anchor a bullpen fairly well, I think.

You were close enough :)

[SouthSideRyan]

I usually don't drag up the rantings of other Cubs web forums, but is it totally ridiculous to think about moving Z to closer when Lilly comes back? Z isn't the "ace" we need him to be.

 

Marshall, Marmol and Z could anchor a bullpen fairly well, I think.

You were close enough :)

 

Just think how sick the bullpen would be if we moved Lilly and Dempster there with him.

[YearofDaCubs]

I usually don't drag up the rantings of other Cubs web forums, but is it totally ridiculous to think about moving Z to closer when Lilly comes back? Z isn't the "ace" we need him to be.

 

Marshall, Marmol and Z could anchor a bullpen fairly well, I think.

You were close enough :)

 

Just think how sick the bullpen would be if we moved Lilly and Dempster there with him.

Dempster has closer experience..

[chuckywang]

I usually don't drag up the rantings of other Cubs web forums, but is it totally ridiculous to think about moving Z to closer when Lilly comes back? Z isn't the "ace" we need him to be.

 

Marshall, Marmol and Z could anchor a bullpen fairly well, I think.

 

I am 99.9% sure Lou read your post and a smile spread slowly across his face.

[treebird]

I usually don't drag up the rantings of other Cubs web forums, but is it totally ridiculous to think about moving Z to closer when Lilly comes back? Z isn't the "ace" we need him to be.

 

Marshall, Marmol and Z could anchor a bullpen fairly well, I think.

You were close enough :)

 

Just think how sick the bullpen would be if we moved Lilly and Dempster there with him.

 

can you delete this post, i just made the same remark in the legit z to the bullpen thread, i don't want people to think you thought of this first

[cubfan_in_cardland]

I usually don't drag up the rantings of other Cubs web forums, but is it totally ridiculous to think about moving Z to closer when Lilly comes back? Z isn't the "ace" we need him to be.

 

Marshall, Marmol and Z could anchor a bullpen fairly well, I think.

 

Ok, I was just thinking out loud when I even asked the question. I didn't think Cubs management would actually make this move.

[NCCubFan]

Fire Lou the village idiot immediately.

[erik316wttn]

Lilly can be the 7th inning guy.