Chicago Bulls Playoffs Thread

[SouthSideRyan]

Can we keep SSR's clear mental illness out of this thread?

 

That Rondo talk is exhausting. You're seriously mentally incapacitated in some regard if you think Rondo is better than Rose.

But right now he is.

 

No. At best Rose .v. Rondo is a tossup. Give Rose, Johnson and Bosh to run with and we will see if Rose .v. Rondo is even a debate. Right now, if Rondo has an advantage it is slight.

 

Just looking at the stat line between the two, I don't see how it would be clear at all that Rondo is better than Rose, even currently. Certainly potential is on Rose's side.

 

Obviously Rose has potential on his side, but it'd be nice if he played any sort of defense before people start calling him superior to Rondo.

[SpongeWorthy]

Can we keep SSR's clear mental illness out of this thread?

 

That Rondo talk is exhausting. You're seriously mentally incapacitated in some regard if you think Rondo is better than Rose.

But right now he is.

 

No. At best Rose .v. Rondo is a tossup. Give Rose, Johnson and Bosh to run with and we will see if Rose .v. Rondo is even a debate. Right now, if Rondo has an advantage it is slight.

 

Just looking at the stat line between the two, I don't see how it would be clear at all that Rondo is better than Rose, even currently. Certainly potential is on Rose's side.

 

Obviously Rose has potential on his side, but it'd be nice if he played any sort of defense before people start calling him superior to Rondo.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if Rondo stopped murdering innocents in the stands by violently bricking open jumpers?

[Flames24Rulz]

Not to take anything away from Rondo, but I think Rose would be even better than he currently is right now if he had that talent around him to work with.

[UMFan83]

Rose would never throw someone into the scorers table for no reason.

[Sammy Sofa]

Rose would never throw someone into the scorers table for no reason.

 

There's always reason to throw Kirk into the scorers' table.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rondo shot 51% on the year

[SouthSideRyan]

The Big 3 can't be both decrepit and unable to play, and capable of carrying some scrub to an all star level.

[Magnetic Curses]

The Big 3 can't be both decrepit and unable to play, and capable of carrying some scrub to an all star level.

 

no one said they were finished, just old.

[Mike Aller]

Yeah, I'd have to say that Rondo is better than Rose right now. But, not by much. And, as soon as next year, Rose will probably be the better player.

[Soul]

Yeah, I'd have to say that Rondo is better than Rose right now. But, not by much. And, as soon as next year, Rose will probably be the better player.

 

I was going to dispute you, but then I realized you must have dyslexia and just screwed up the names.

[Mike Aller]

Yeah, I'd have to say that Rondo is better than Rose right now. But, not by much. And, as soon as next year, Rose will probably be the better player.

 

I was going to dispute you, but then I realized you must have dyslexia and just screwed up the names.

Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, and defender. Their slashing abilities are almost a wash, although Rose probably does have a slight advantage. And, Derek has a big advantage in the mid-range game. I wouldn't say it is by a large margin, but I'd give it to Rondo for now.

[SouthSideRyan]

You guys are acting like it's this horrible insult for Rose to be considered worse than Rondo.

[Guest]

Wouldn't it be nice if Rondo stopped murdering innocents in the stands by violently bricking open jumpers?

 

Not everyone can be as deadly from the perimeter as Rose.

[RedFlash]

Yeah, I'd have to say that Rondo is better than Rose right now. But, not by much. And, as soon as next year, Rose will probably be the better player.

 

Define better?

[Andy]

You guys are acting like it's this horrible insult for Rose to be considered worse than Rondo.

We're very territorial about the game of basketball and it's natural that we'd gravitate towards thinking the Earthling is the better player.

[Mike Aller]

Yeah, I'd have to say that Rondo is better than Rose right now. But, not by much. And, as soon as next year, Rose will probably be the better player.

 

Define better?

I did that in my other post. :[

[Soul]

Yeah, I'd have to say that Rondo is better than Rose right now. But, not by much. And, as soon as next year, Rose will probably be the better player.

 

I was going to dispute you, but then I realized you must have dyslexia and just screwed up the names.

Rondo is a better passer, rebounder, and defender. Their slashing abilities are almost a wash, although Rose probably does have a slight advantage. And, Derek has a big advantage in the mid-range game. I wouldn't say it is by a large margin, but I'd give it to Rondo for now.

 

It's OK man. Everyone will understand if you just admit your little "problem."

[David]

Wouldn't it be nice if Rondo stopped murdering innocents in the stands by violently bricking open jumpers?

 

Not everyone can be as deadly from the perimeter as Rose.

 

 

Rose was one of the best mid-range shooters in the league.

 

That's definitely aided by the fact that every jumper he takes is pretty open, but that's not going to change as long as he can get to the basket the way he can.

[SouthSideRyan]

You guys are acting like it's this horrible insult for Rose to be considered worse than Rondo.

We're very territorial about the game of basketball and it's natural that we'd gravitate towards thinking the Earthling is the better player.

 

I like this one.

[David]

Look at Rose's numbers from December on (which is about the time his ankle got better)... and then from around the all star break on.

 

 

They are pure beast mode numbers... he just kept getting better and better as the season went on.

[RedFlash]

Yeah, I'd have to say that Rondo is better than Rose right now. But, not by much. And, as soon as next year, Rose will probably be the better player.

 

Define better?

I did that in my other post. :[

 

 

All you did was say what Rondo does well, but that doesn't mean he does it better then Rose. The only thing he does better that is noticeable is play defense, everything else is a matter of perspective. And quite frankly, Rondo "maybe" a better player right now because A: the system they run and B: Having three future HOFer as safety net. Not to mention Rose HAS to carry the Bulls for Chicago to be remotely decent, whereas it doesn't matter as much if Rondo plays well or struggles, Boston will be above average as long as Allen/Pierce/Garnett are remotely healthy.

 

IMO, Rose and Rondo=apples and oranges.

[UMFan83]

Shut up about Rondo. Rondo is Rondo and Rose is Rose. Stop trying to pretend like they are comparible.

[UMFan83]

I know most of this is just angry bickering by a Bulls fan but I liked reading this:

 

It’s the fourth quarter and the underdog Chicago Bulls were outplaying the King and the rest of the Cleveland Cavaliers. However, that all changed when the Cavs dumped the ball down low to Shaq. Brad Miller was whistled for two straight fouls playing stand up defense against Shaq.

 

Miller did manage to take an elbow to the face from Shaq so maybe that’s where the contact came from. Even the Cleveland fans starter roaring wildly when the ball was dumped back into Shaq anticipating another foul call, and they got it.

 

Forums and message boards across the Internet heated up this morning with more outcries from fans stating that once again the officials determined a game winner.

 

Snypershawn said on one forum, “The imaginary fouls on Miller and Noah—that’s when the Bulls' control of the game disappeared and the refs took that glimmer of hope away.”

 

Another disgruntled fan noted, “I would love to see this series with fair officiating. Those three quick fouls on Miller and Noah defending Shaq were disgusting. And that was just adding insult with LeBron's expected pampering by the refs.”

 

Later in the fourth quarter Derrick Rose drove to the basket and split two Cleveland defenders, bumped into Shaq and made the continuation shot off the glass in what might have been the play of the game. A moment later the officials overruled the call and said no continuation and the basket didn’t count.

 

Even NBA announcer and former player Reggie Miller stated “That’s an 'and one,' that’s an 'and one'.” Earlier on the Brad Miller fouls, the announcing crew on TNT had no idea why the fouls were being called and Reggie Miller said flat out that the Bulls did not commit a foul.

 

I’ve lost count of the number of times NBA announcers have been left stunned by calls on the court.

 

The very next drive LeBron James crossed to his right and drove directly into Joakim Noah who had his arm down and the refs quickly call the continuation foul and award James the basket and the free throw.

 

So why do we put up with this? What keeps us tuning in to this discriminatory officiating?

 

Well if you ask my friends who I was watching the game with, the answer is nothing because they literally walked out of our house they were so upset.

 

“This isn’t a sport, it’s so obviously not fair even to me,” said my friend who has watched the NBA only a handful of times and is already proclaiming the NBA-officiated version of basketball unwatchable.

 

My other friend who has watched basketball since he was child like I have admitted after some time, “So basically if you are a Bull you are not allowed to guard Shaq.”

 

On Cleveland Cavs forums even Cavs fans had a good laugh about the game and one forum post said, “Guess you should trade for Shaq next year and once Rose is an All-Star the Bulls will be fine.”

 

In other words, once the Chicago Bulls have enough “names” on their team they can be “allowed” to win by officials. Moreover, the Bulls can play hard or even harder than the Cavs, but they won’t be rewarded or treated fairly because of it. It’s discrimination.

 

If this was a workplace environment the refs from last night’s game would be fired for discrimination and would probably have a lawsuit on their hands.

 

Last night is just another night the NBA lost fans because of their officiating.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/385446-cavsbulls-officiating-is-prime-example-of-why-the-nba-is-losing-fans

[Magnetic Curses]

in the international game, you can't get away with the bull-in-a-chinashop schtick, so lebron is virtually a worthless player in any international event. athletic and large, but ordinary.

 

it's why the US had to rely on guys like wade and kobe to bring home the gold. just leave lebron at home in 2012, he's a non-factor if he doesn't have the refs. give the roster spot to someone whose game isn't predicated on running people over like a big ol' goon and who can actually avoid contact.

[Magnetic Curses]

add carmelo to the group of guys who are exponentially more valuable in the international game than lebron. you know, basketball players, not rugby players. the nba should be ashamed of themselves for creating a league designed around lebron and not basketball players.