Chicago Bulls Playoffs Thread

[Magnetic Curses]

Yeah, I'd have to say that Rondo is better than Rose right now. But, not by much. And, as soon as next year, Rose will probably be the better player.

 

Define better?

I did that in my other post. :[

 

if you can watch any game and honestly tell me that you think rondo is better at basketball than rose, you're a fool.

 

ssr is joking because he appreciates hilarity and that's what ensues when he brings up rondo. so, i understand why he does it because i find it hilarious, too.

[SpongeWorthy]

You put Rondo on the Bulls and Rose on the Celtics and the Bulls are battling with the Nets and TPups while the Celtics are right there with Orlando and Cleveland.

 

If Rose had a pick and roll player as good as Garnett and actual three point shooters he'd blow Rondo out of the water. It is an insult to say Rose is worse than Rondo because it is laughably false.

 

Let's also throw in the fact the no coach, GM, or scout in the universe would take Rondo over him.

[Mike Aller]

the nba should be ashamed of themselves for creating a league designed around lebron and not basketball players.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not, so I'll just assume you are. But: LOL

[da bears]

You put Rondo on the Bulls and Rose on the Celtics and the Bulls are battling with the Nets and TPups while the Celtics are right there with Orlando and Cleveland.

 

If Rose had a pick and roll player as good as Garnett and actual three point shooters he'd blow Rondo out of the water. It is an insult to say Rose is worse than Rondo because it is laughably false.

 

Let's also throw in the fact the no coach, GM, or scout in the universe would take Rondo over him.

couldnt have said it any better myself. by the way, i bet mike aller would take mo williams over both rondo and rose.

[Magnetic Curses]

the nba should be ashamed of themselves for creating a league designed around lebron and not basketball players.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not, so I'll just assume you are. But: LOL

 

can't conceive of the notion that lebron excels in the nba because of the referees?

 

then why would lebron disappear in international competition?

[Guest]

in the international game, you can't get away with the bull-in-a-chinashop schtick, so lebron is virtually a worthless player in any international event. athletic and large, but ordinary.

 

it's why the US had to rely on guys like wade and kobe to bring home the gold. just leave lebron at home in 2012, he's a non-factor if he doesn't have the refs. give the roster spot to someone whose game isn't predicated on running people over like a big ol' goon and who can actually avoid contact.

 

That's an interesting theory.

 

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=409

[SpongeWorthy]

in the international game, you can't get away with the bull-in-a-chinashop schtick, so lebron is virtually a worthless player in any international event. athletic and large, but ordinary.

 

it's why the US had to rely on guys like wade and kobe to bring home the gold. just leave lebron at home in 2012, he's a non-factor if he doesn't have the refs. give the roster spot to someone whose game isn't predicated on running people over like a big ol' goon and who can actually avoid contact.

 

That's an interesting theory.

 

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=409

 

That sort of indicates that Lebron is a monster on D against over matched international players but sort of ordinary as an offensive playmaker. His ORtg is less than Bosh and Howards.

 

I do think Lebron's value on defense has been understated. He was devastating against the Bulls with his help D.

[Mike Aller]

the nba should be ashamed of themselves for creating a league designed around lebron and not basketball players.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not, so I'll just assume you are. But: LOL

 

can't conceive of the notion that lebron excels in the nba because of the referees?

 

then why would lebron disappear in international competition?

The NBA hasn't changed. The international game has. International players/teams have gotten much, much better.

 

i bet mike aller would take mo williams over both rondo and rose.

No, I wouldn't.

[Guest]

in the international game, you can't get away with the bull-in-a-chinashop schtick, so lebron is virtually a worthless player in any international event. athletic and large, but ordinary.

 

it's why the US had to rely on guys like wade and kobe to bring home the gold. just leave lebron at home in 2012, he's a non-factor if he doesn't have the refs. give the roster spot to someone whose game isn't predicated on running people over like a big ol' goon and who can actually avoid contact.

 

That's an interesting theory.

 

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=409

 

That sort of indicates that Lebron is a monster on D against over matched international players but sort of ordinary as an offensive playmaker. His ORtg is less than Bosh and Howards.

 

I do think Lebron's value on defense has been understated. He was devastating against the Bulls with his help D.

 

Comparing those raw ratings across positions isn't really the right approach. Either way, LeBron is a force regardless of style of play or opposition.

[Magnetic Curses]

that's funny, because i watched a lot of those games and don't remember him doing much of anything. you think he'd be the dominant force in international play that he is in the NBA.

 

but at the ends of games when they needed the big shots, they were going to carmelo, kobe, and wade.

 

the only explanation for his domination of the NBA and his lack of dominance in the international game would, to me, is that the international game is officiated differently.

 

as far as his defensive ratings, of course, he's a very large, very athletic man who can clear great distances with a single leap. but that's essentially the only thing he does better than anyone else--be athletic.

Edited April 29, 2010 by Stannis

[Magnetic Curses]

in the international game, you can't get away with the bull-in-a-chinashop schtick, so lebron is virtually a worthless player in any international event. athletic and large, but ordinary.

 

it's why the US had to rely on guys like wade and kobe to bring home the gold. just leave lebron at home in 2012, he's a non-factor if he doesn't have the refs. give the roster spot to someone whose game isn't predicated on running people over like a big ol' goon and who can actually avoid contact.

 

That's an interesting theory.

 

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=409

 

That sort of indicates that Lebron is a monster on D against over matched international players but sort of ordinary as an offensive playmaker. His ORtg is less than Bosh and Howards.

 

I do think Lebron's value on defense has been understated. He was devastating against the Bulls with his help D.

 

Comparing those raw ratings across positions isn't really the right approach. Either way, LeBron is a force regardless of style of play or opposition.

 

oh, so the ratings you posted after "that's an interesting theory" are junk? why did you post them then?

[Guest]

in the international game, you can't get away with the bull-in-a-chinashop schtick, so lebron is virtually a worthless player in any international event. athletic and large, but ordinary.

 

it's why the US had to rely on guys like wade and kobe to bring home the gold. just leave lebron at home in 2012, he's a non-factor if he doesn't have the refs. give the roster spot to someone whose game isn't predicated on running people over like a big ol' goon and who can actually avoid contact.

 

That's an interesting theory.

 

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=409

 

That sort of indicates that Lebron is a monster on D against over matched international players but sort of ordinary as an offensive playmaker. His ORtg is less than Bosh and Howards.

 

I do think Lebron's value on defense has been understated. He was devastating against the Bulls with his help D.

 

Comparing those raw ratings across positions isn't really the right approach. Either way, LeBron is a force regardless of style of play or opposition.

 

oh, so the ratings you posted after "that's an interesting theory" are junk? why did you post them then?

 

This must be embarrassing for you to thrash about and be completely wrong. Also at that link is another link showing LeBron leading Team USA in +/-. But hey, at least you can always come back and say you weren't being serious.

[Magnetic Curses]

the nba should be ashamed of themselves for creating a league designed around lebron and not basketball players.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not, so I'll just assume you are. But: LOL

 

can't conceive of the notion that lebron excels in the nba because of the referees?

 

then why would lebron disappear in international competition?

The NBA hasn't changed. The international game has. International players/teams have gotten much, much better.

 

no, europe and south america are still sending role players to the NBA who excel in international competition. it's because they're used to having to avoid contact to get good shots and points. in the NBA, like i said, they're still role players. it's the officiating that gives lebron his strength.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

This must be embarrassing for you to thrash about and be completely wrong. Also at that link is another link showing LeBron leading Team USA in +/-. But hey, at least you can always come back and say you weren't being serious.

 

Comparing those raw ratings across positions isn't really the right approach

 

wasn't it you that said this? must be embarrassing for you, actually to have to recant when you know the numbers you posted are complete turds. plus/minus? only proves that he's a nice little defensive piece to have on the court when you have guys who can shoot.

 

on offense, as has been said, he' totally ordinary.

[imb]

sulley's gimmick has overcome him and he has turned into erik, truly a sad day for us all

[UMFan83]

I would agree that LeBron is a better player the way the NBA is structured than if he played with the exact same players and teams but with international style ball. However, LeBron would still easily be the best player to play in that league and it probably wouldn't be much of a debate.

[Magnetic Curses]

sulley's gimmick has overcome him and he has turned into erik, truly a sad day for us all

 

you take that back

[17 Seconds]

what the hell is going on in this thread

[Magnetic Curses]

one man's fight against tyranny

[17 Seconds]

i like rondo because he looks like chuck berry

 

tila tequila

[Magnetic Curses]

i see it

[SouthSideRyan]

Haha Rondo on the Bulls in place of Rose makes them one of the worst teams in the NBA. Clearly I have the mental illness.

 

Rondo damn near averaged a triple double last year in the playoffs without that pick and roll partner, which is apparently the only thing keeping him out of the NBDL.

[Magnetic Curses]

rondo's okay

[UMFan83]

Haha Rondo on the Bulls in place of Rose makes them one of the worst teams in the NBA. Clearly I have the mental illness.

 

Rondo damn near averaged a triple double last year in the playoffs without that pick and roll partner, which is apparently the only thing keeping him out of the NBDL.

 

See I think it was a poor argument to begin with. I think Rondo would make the Bulls terrible, but only because if you take Rose off the Bulls, who is scoring for you? Rondo is a decent scorer but he's not the type of scorer Rose is. Who is Rondo going to pass to? How many times did Rose kick it out to wide open teammates only to see them brick it? Too many.

 

Now, if you swapped Rondo for Rose on the Celtics, I am not sure how much better they would be. I think Rose would make them slightly better, but what makes Rondo work well is he distributes the ball well and he plays good defense, which I think the Celtics need more than another scorer.

[Derwood]

who cares about international basketball, particularly whether the best player in the NBA is fit for it or not?