Can Silva Turn Things Around and Be Useful?

[Guest]

Just read over the Grabow trade thread. There were like 2 posts saying they liked Hart's potential, but didn't make any comment as to whether they hated the trade. The overwhelming sentiment was that it was a good deal, and that Gorzelanny had much more potential and utility than Hart(this point was reiterated by at least a half dozen posters).

[Peoriaman]

Let's go Cubs!

[Sammy Sofa]

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Silva has been the whipping boy here ever since we got him. Heck, in the Silva/Gorz are the 4th and 5th guy thread, one poster said Silva made him "throw up in his mouth" and another said "silva is garbage". He is now a Cub and I am happy he is doing well. He has earned a shot and I still don't understand why some have to be so pissy about it. ^^shrugs^^

 

He's been a "whipping boy" because he came here as a terrible pitcher, and stringing together some passable spring sessions doesn't do anything to disprove that. Again, nobody is going to be mad if he pitches well in the regular season, but there's little reason to get excited over him right now. He still has a ton of prove. People aren't being pissy so much as being realistic mixed with some harmless hyperbole as he earns a spot over someone who has had more recent success as a starter than him

 

By the way, please point me to one "ridiculous scenerio" I have made up let alone

'consistently".

 

Well, you've got the Hart and Murton stuff right here, plus the ridiculous assertion that people will be unhappy if Silva does well during the regular season. There's 3 repeatedly in this thread alone.

 

Hell, not sure I have made 10 posts in the last 6 months here. Lord, folks, just chill and enjoy the fact that a guy most thought would suck hasn't to this point. Why are some wound so freakin tight over Silva?

 

Because he's a bad pitcher and still has a TON to prove. Spring means squat.

[Peoriaman]

And if Silva doesn't pitch well than he will get yanked. I am glad he pitched well in spring training and I think he has earned his shot. That is no different than Colvin earning his shot. Now they have to produce, and I have no idea whether they will do well or not. That is the great thing about sports, they are unpredictable.

 

Go Cubs.

[OleMissCub]

For the most part, a 30 year old with a career WHIP of 1.4something and 93 ERA+ over 159 starts isn't going to suddenly become good.

 

Perhaps we can catch fire twice though. Before we put him back in the rotation at age 31, Dempster was sitting at a 1.567 WHIP and 86 ERA+ in his previous 156 starts.

 

So technically Silva's career as a starter was better than Dempster's was before he got put back in the rotation.

 

We are the Cubbies, so I doubt we'll be that lucky.

[Peoriaman]

I think most fans are hoping for a guy who can put up 4th or 5th starter stats. That is all I am hoping for. More than that seems unrealistic, though always possible.

[inari]

I love how there's no response to the Hart thread showing you pretty much made up love for him. If you're going to throw out crap like that least say something other than "go cubs," which is apparently the new "na na na I'm not listening!"

[17 Seconds]

I still want him to explain how Silva earned the starting spot over Marshall.

[Peoriaman]

I still want him to explain how Silva earned the starting spot over Marshall.

 

By pitching well. I suspect they like Marshall in the Pen because of his prior success there and limited success for Marshall as a starter. I also suspect they like another lefty in the pen. Silva has had success as a starter not a reliever.

 

As for Hart love, I never experienced it. I always thought he was a marginal guy.

[inari]

I still want him to explain how Silva earned the starting spot over Marshall.

 

As for Hart love, I never experienced it. I always thought he was a marginal guy.

 

Exactly like pretty much everyone else here.

[17 Seconds]

I still want him to explain how Silva earned the starting spot over Marshall.

 

By pitching well. I suspect they like Marshall in the Pen because of his prior success there and limited success for Marshall as a starter. I also suspect they like another lefty in the pen. Silva has had success as a starter not a reliever.

 

You earn a spot by pitching better than the other options. Marshall easily outperformed him.

 

And we have 3 lefites in the pen now. They gave a ridiculous amount of money to a lefty this offseason. Marshall being a lefty shouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

Oh, and it's arguable if Silva even pitched well this spring.

 

As for Hart love, I never experienced it. I always thought he was a marginal guy.

 

So did everyone else on this board. I don't know why you keep talking about this imaginary group of posters.

[Peoriaman]

I still want him to explain how Silva earned the starting spot over Marshall.

 

By pitching well. I suspect they like Marshall in the Pen because of his prior success there and limited success for Marshall as a starter. I also suspect they like another lefty in the pen. Silva has had success as a starter not a reliever.

 

You earn a spot by pitching better than the other options. Marshall easily outperformed him.

 

And we have 3 lefites in the pen now. They gave a ridiculous amount of money to a lefty this offseason. Marshall being a lefty shouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

Oh, and it's arguable if Silva even pitched well this spring.

 

As for Hart love, I never experienced it. I always thought he was a marginal guy.

 

So did everyone else on this board. I don't know why you keep talking about this imaginary group of posters.

 

 

I don't keep talking about it. You do.

 

I mentioned Hart's name once in another thread once. You continue to bring him up and ask me about him. You seem obsessed.

 

As for Marshall and Silva, e-mail Hendry and leave me alone. I like both guys and would be happy with either. ^^shrugs^^

 

Go Cubs!

[17 Seconds]

I still want him to explain how Silva earned the starting spot over Marshall.

 

By pitching well. I suspect they like Marshall in the Pen because of his prior success there and limited success for Marshall as a starter. I also suspect they like another lefty in the pen. Silva has had success as a starter not a reliever.

 

You earn a spot by pitching better than the other options. Marshall easily outperformed him.

 

And we have 3 lefites in the pen now. They gave a ridiculous amount of money to a lefty this offseason. Marshall being a lefty shouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

Oh, and it's arguable if Silva even pitched well this spring.

 

As for Hart love, I never experienced it. I always thought he was a marginal guy.

 

So did everyone else on this board. I don't know why you keep talking about this imaginary group of posters.

 

I don't keep talking about it. You do.

 

You continue to bring him up and ask me about him. You seem obsessed.

 

haha. that is literally the first time i've mentioned hart to you.

 

it seems like your imagination gets the best of you.

[Peoriaman]

I still want him to explain how Silva earned the starting spot over Marshall.

 

By pitching well. I suspect they like Marshall in the Pen because of his prior success there and limited success for Marshall as a starter. I also suspect they like another lefty in the pen. Silva has had success as a starter not a reliever.

 

You earn a spot by pitching better than the other options. Marshall easily outperformed him.

 

And we have 3 lefites in the pen now. They gave a ridiculous amount of money to a lefty this offseason. Marshall being a lefty shouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

Oh, and it's arguable if Silva even pitched well this spring.

 

As for Hart love, I never experienced it. I always thought he was a marginal guy.

 

So did everyone else on this board. I don't know why you keep talking about this imaginary group of posters.

 

I don't keep talking about it. You do.

 

You continue to bring him up and ask me about him. You seem obsessed.

 

haha. that is literally the first time i've mentioned hart to you.

 

it seems like your imagination gets the best of you.

 

 

Well, I mentioned him once. Once. Once. If others want to bring him up, leave me out of it.

 

What is it about this place that makes some so pissy?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What is it about this place that makes some so pissy?

 

You patted yourself on the back for being right about Hart and said that many people on the board disagreed with you at the time, when virtually (if not literally) no one disagreed with you about him. You've ignored this fact repeatedly while people question you on it.

 

 

Hey guys, remember that time I said Neifi Perez wouldn't hit 40 HRs in a year and a bunch of you said he would? I'm so awesome.

[Soul]

For the most part, a 30 year old with a career WHIP of 1.4something and 93 ERA+ over 159 starts isn't going to suddenly become good.

 

Perhaps we can catch fire twice though. Before we put him back in the rotation at age 31, Dempster was sitting at a 1.567 WHIP and 86 ERA+ in his previous 156 starts.

 

So technically Silva's career as a starter was better than Dempster's was before he got put back in the rotation.

 

We are the Cubbies, so I doubt we'll be that lucky.

 

Just have to hope Silva falls outside of the "for the most part" group.

 

I hope he isn't given all kinds of opportunity to fail over & over again though, because he may very well take advantage of all those opportunities.

[CubsWin]

Mama's empanadas must be doing the trick. That and the bullpen session with Rothschild after his first spring start that seemed to make everything click again.

 

Through two starts: 13 IP, 8H, 3R, 1 ER, 0 HR, 0 BB, 8 Ks. He didn't look lucky today...

[Sammy Sofa]

It's promising, but let's get a bit deeper into the season before we start declaring him "fixed."

[Guest]

http://www.cubsfx.com/2010/04/carlos-silva-pitch-mix.html

 

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[hawkcub]

Still early but what we have seen out of Silva has been good. It would be funny if the Cubs come out smelling like a rose in the Silva/Bradley deal.

[imb]

He didn't look lucky today...

 

we were playing the astros, you don't need luck

 

they scored 2 runs today and UPPED their RPG

[Magnetic Curses]

if he can keep hitters off-balance with that changeup, he may be a very nice 5th starter.

[PackLandVA]

He's already provided more productivity than I thought we'd get from the trade.

[CubsWin]

It's promising, but let's get a bit deeper into the season before we start declaring him "fixed."

No doubt. But raise your hand out there if you predicted this even over two starts...

[CubsWin]

He didn't look lucky today...

 

we were playing the astros, you don't need luck

 

they scored 2 runs today and UPPED their RPG

True, but that has nothing to do with how he was looking. He kept the ball low and was making it move late. He didn't walk anybody. He pitched well. And I thought he'd be keeping the end of the bench warm down in the bullpen.