2010 NCAA Mock Tournament Selection Committee

[Vanilla Ice]

Uh oh, New Mexico State looking like they might steal a bid. Where would this leave Utah State?

[bukie]

Before I head to sleep, Utah State is about to lose the WAC championship too.

[bukie]

New Mexico State is the WAC champion. Not a good day for bubble teams not named Minnesota and Mississippi State.

[Vanilla Ice]

New Mexico State is the WAC champion. Not a good day for bubble teams not named Minnesota and Mississippi State.

13 seed seem about right for them?

[Old Style]

Wow. Illini fans can't be happy about this.

[Andy]

Wow. Illini fans can't be happy about this.

They're the 3rd team out now according to Lunardi. Really bad situation for them.

 

It's not cool if VaTech gets in and they don't, IMO.

[Andy]

New Mexico State is the WAC champion. Not a good day for bubble teams not named Minnesota and Mississippi State.

13 seed seem about right for them?

I don't know, looking at their resume, I think they could be ahead of anyone else at the bottom of the S-Curve. They have a couple of good wins (@UTEP, Utah St 2x) and only a couple of bad losses.

[Keener98]

Wow. Illini fans can't be happy about this.

They're the 3rd team out now according to Lunardi. Really bad situation for them.

 

It's not cool if VaTech gets in and they don't, IMO.

 

Yea I dont see how Va Tech is supposedly in according to Lunardi, but Illinois isnt. Seth Davis and Greg Anthony had us in, and both said if someone else takes an at large bid, Va Tech is the next one out. Both said Illinois is in solid in their minds.

[Vanilla Ice]

New Mexico State is the WAC champion. Not a good day for bubble teams not named Minnesota and Mississippi State.

13 seed seem about right for them?

I don't know, looking at their resume, I think they could be ahead of anyone else at the bottom of the S-Curve. They have a couple of good wins (@UTEP, Utah St 2x) and only a couple of bad losses.

I've got them ahead of Wofford and right behind Siena, Murray State, and Cornell which would put them as the 2nd 13 seed.

[Andy]

New Mexico State is the WAC champion. Not a good day for bubble teams not named Minnesota and Mississippi State.

13 seed seem about right for them?

I don't know, looking at their resume, I think they could be ahead of anyone else at the bottom of the S-Curve. They have a couple of good wins (@UTEP, Utah St 2x) and only a couple of bad losses.

I've got them ahead of Wofford and right behind Siena, Murray State, and Cornell which would put them as the 2nd 13 seed.

I put them a little higher, as the last 12. I have a couple of at-larges behind them.

[UMFan83]

After the game against OSU, I felt like Illinois was definitely in. But pretty much everything has gone wrong for them. I still think Minnesota trouncing Purdue was the worst though. In the committee's minds it's probably between them for a 5th Big 10 bid, and combined with Illinois losing 6 of their last 8 games as well as Minnesota beating Illinois in Champaign and Minnesota upsetting Michigan State and Purdue on back to back days, I can't see how Minnesota doesn't get it. Really really tough loss for Illinois today as it was an extremely winnable game and probably would have made them "safe" in or at least had a "play in" game with Minnesota. Edited March 14, 2010 by UMFan83

[Andy]

After throwing NMSU in there, here is my full list of (now) 30 teams:

 

 

Remaining Unplaced Teams - plus Minny and Miss St:

1 Northern Iowa

2 Oklahoma State

3 Richmond

4 Florida State

5 Xavier

6 Marquette

7 Wake Forest

8 Gonzaga

9 (Notre Dame)

10 Louisville

11 Missouri

12 California

13 Florida

14 Old Dominion

15 Utah State

16 UNLV

17 St. Mary's

18 Illinois

19 Washington

20 UTEP

21 Cornell

22 Minnesota

23 Georgia Tech

24 New Mexico State

25 Murray State

26 San Diego State

27 Virginia Tech

28 Mississippi State

29 Siena

30 Wofford

 

At the moment, I have VaTech and Mississippi State as the first two teams out.

[Keener98]

After the game against OSU, I felt like Illinois was definitely in. But pretty much everything has gone wrong for them. I still think Minnesota trouncing Purdue was the worst though. In the committee's minds it's probably between them for a 5th Big 10 bid, and combined with Illinois losing 6 of their last 8 games as well as Minnesota beating Illinois in Champaign and Minnesota upsetting Michigan State and Purdue on back to back days, I can't see how Minnesota doesn't get it. Really really tough loss for Illinois today as it was an extremely winnable game and probably would have made them "safe" in or at least had a "play in" game with Minnesota.

 

I think Illinois and Minny deserve in over Va Tech. Va Tech has a strength of schedule of 132 thats the only reason they have the record they do. Give Illinois that type of schedule and they arent 19-14. Same goes for Minny.

[UMFan83]

After the game against OSU, I felt like Illinois was definitely in. But pretty much everything has gone wrong for them. I still think Minnesota trouncing Purdue was the worst though. In the committee's minds it's probably between them for a 5th Big 10 bid, and combined with Illinois losing 6 of their last 8 games as well as Minnesota beating Illinois in Champaign and Minnesota upsetting Michigan State and Purdue on back to back days, I can't see how Minnesota doesn't get it. Really really tough loss for Illinois today as it was an extremely winnable game and probably would have made them "safe" in or at least had a "play in" game with Minnesota.

 

I think Illinois and Minny deserve in over Va Tech. Va Tech has a strength of schedule of 132 thats the only reason they have the record they do. Give Illinois that type of schedule and they arent 19-14. Same goes for Minny.

 

I agree, I think Illinois deserves to be in. But in my opinion, the committee will determine the B10 deserves 5 teams and fairly or not will have to choose between the Illini and Minnesota. Right now Minny has all factors in their favor.

[Andy]

After the game against OSU, I felt like Illinois was definitely in. But pretty much everything has gone wrong for them. I still think Minnesota trouncing Purdue was the worst though. In the committee's minds it's probably between them for a 5th Big 10 bid, and combined with Illinois losing 6 of their last 8 games as well as Minnesota beating Illinois in Champaign and Minnesota upsetting Michigan State and Purdue on back to back days, I can't see how Minnesota doesn't get it. Really really tough loss for Illinois today as it was an extremely winnable game and probably would have made them "safe" in or at least had a "play in" game with Minnesota.

 

I think Illinois and Minny deserve in over Va Tech. Va Tech has a strength of schedule of 132 thats the only reason they have the record they do. Give Illinois that type of schedule and they arent 19-14. Same goes for Minny.

 

I agree, I think Illinois deserves to be in. But in my opinion, the committee will determine the B10 deserves 5 teams and fairly or not will have to choose between the Illini and Minnesota. Right now Minny has all factors in their favor.

Which is ironic because the ACC only really deserves 5 teams and is somehow going to get 7 if they let VaTech in.

 

I'm usually against Big 10 teams making the tourney whenever possible, but it's a pretty solid, deep league this year, and in my biased opinion the middle ACC teams just don't pass the eye test. I watched pieces of the GaTech/UNC tournament game and the Jackets looked just plain stupid out there at times.

[bukie]

One thing the committee won't do, for sure, is consider things like "X league should have Y teams". That's just not even part of the process.

[bukie]

I've received 4 so far, but I can wait a bit yet since this is the last submission.

[bukie]

And here's my list:

 

Richmond

Xavier

Notre Dame

Marquette

Florida State

Northern Iowa

Oklahoma State

Louisville

Wake Forest

UNLV

St. Mary's

Gonzaga

Old Dominion

Missouri

Minnesota

(Illinois)

UTEP

California

Cornell

Washington

San Diego State

Utah State

Georgia Tech

Virginia Tech

Mississippi State

Florida

Siena

New Mexico State

Murray State

Wofford

 

[bukie]

Ok, I gave 90 minutes and no response, so here's the final S-Curve (pending Mississippi State's result today):

 

Rank Team               W  L  top25  26-50 51-100 101-200 200+ SOS NCSOS   R+N
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  1 Kansas            29  2    8-0    2-2   10-0     5-0  4-0  32   138  11-2
  2 Syracuse          28  3    6-0    3-3    9-0     5-0  5-0  27   258   8-6
  3 Kentucky          29  2    0-0    7-1   10-1     9-0  3-0  62   199  11-2
  4 Duke              26  5    4-3    4-1   12-1     3-0  4-0   4    73   9-5
  5 West Virginia     24  6    5-3    3-2    8-1     6-0  2-0   1    39  12-4
  6 Ohio State        24  7    5-4    1-1    6-2     7-0  5-0  48   231   7-6
  7 Kansas State      24  6    5-3    2-2    8-1     4-0  4-0   6    96  11-3
  8 Villanova         24  6    5-3    4-2    5-1     6-0  4-0   8   163  12-4
  9 Wisconsin         23  7    6-3    0-1    8-2     5-1  4-0  22   120   7-6
 10 New Mexico        28  3    4-0    3-2    1-0    11-1  9-0  98   129  11-2
 11 Baylor            24  6    5-3    2-1    8-2     3-0  5-0  37   228   9-5
 12 Michigan State    24  7    2-4    2-1    9-2     7-0  4-0  34   170   9-5
 13 Pittsburgh        24  7    4-3    1-1    8-2     7-1  3-0  33   221   7-6
 14 Butler (HOR)      28  4    2-2    0-1    5-1    13-0  8-0  91     4  13-4
 15 Tennessee         23  7    2-2    3-3    7-2     6-0  5-0  45   130   8-6
 16 Georgetown        20  9    3-5    4-2    5-1     4-1  3-0   2    63   8-5
 17 Temple            26  5    2-2    2-1    6-1    10-1  6-0  27   258   8-6
 18 Purdue            26  4    4-3    4-0    6-1     8-0  4-0  31   177  12-2
 19 Maryland          23  7    4-4    2-1    7-1     3-1  6-0  27   258   8-6
 20 Vanderbilt        23  7    1-2    6-0    8-4     5-1  2-0  29    94   9-5
 21 Texas A&M         22  8    4-5    2-3    7-0     4-0  4-0  11   140   7-7
 22 BYU               28  4    0-1    5-3    3-0    10-0  9-0 125   188  13-3
 23 Clemson           21  9    4-4    1-3    6-2     3-0  7-0  15   245   7-7
 24 Texas             23  8    2-6    3-0    9-2     4-0  5-0  39   204   8-6
 25 Oklahoma State    21  9    4-5    0-0    5-4     8-0  4-0  49   298   6-8
 26 Marquette         20 10    2-6    1-2    8-1     3-1  6-0  51   294   7-6
 27 Notre Dame        21 10    3-2    1-1    6-5     5-2  6-0  70   342   4-7
 28 Xavier            23  7    0-4    3-3    4-0    11-0  5-0  61    19   8-7
 29 Richmond          24  7    1-1    4-1    3-3     9-2  7-0  85    92  10-6
 30 Wake Forest       19  9    3-3    2-2    7-3     1-1  6-0   9   162   6-7
 31 Florida State     22  8    1-6    4-1    8-1     3-0  6-0  24   222   9-5
 32 Gonzaga           26  6    1-2    1-1    9-1     4-1 11-1 111    40  12-5
 33 Louisville        20 11    2-5    1-2    6-2     7-2  3-0  23   176   5-7
 34 Missouri          22  9    2-5    2-2    9-1     1-1  8-0  56   300   6-7
 35 Northern IA (MVC) 28  4    0-0    1-0    8-1    13-2  5-1 114   162  14-4
 36 UNLV              23  7    1-2    3-2    2-1     7-2  9-0  97   137   9-4
 37 Illinois          18 13    3-7    1-1    5-3     6-2  3-0  13   119   6-9
 38 Georgia Tech      19 11    2-5    1-3    6-3     3-0  6-0  12   161   5-9
 39 St. Mary's (WCC)  26  5    0-0    3-3    3-2     7-0 12-0 155   128  12-3
 40 Minnesota         18 12    3-6    0-0    4-5     6-1  5-0  47   246   4-9
 41 Florida           20 11    2-4    2-4    7-2     4-0  5-1  58   215   7-7
 42 Washington (P10)  21  9    2-2    1-1    3-4    14-2  1-0  57   125   4-7
 43 Old Dominion (CAA)26  8    1-1    0-2    4-3     8-1 13-0 112    33  11-8
 44 California        21  9    0-3    3-2    4-2    13-2  1-0  20    10   6-8
 45 UTEP              26  6    0-1    1-1   10-3     5-1 10-0 139   263  11-4
 46 San Diego St (MWC)22  8    0-2    2-3    1-0     9-1  8-1  83   107   8-7
 47 Cornell (Ivy)     27  4    0-2    0-0    2-1    10-0 13-1 218    78  14-3
 48 N Mexico St (WAC) 22 11    2-1    1-4    1-2    10-3  7-1 112   102  10-8
 49 Murray St (OVC)   30  4    0-1    0-0    2-1     4-2 22-0 297   307  15-4
 50 Siena (MAAC)      27  6    0-1    0-3    1-1    18-1  7-0 167   104  10-6
 51 Wofford (SC)      26  8    0-1    0-1    2-2     8-4 15-0 207    86  15-7
 52 Oakland (SUM)     26  8    0-4    0-1    0-0     6-3 18-0 191    13  13-7
 53 Montana (BSky)    22  9    0-0    0-1    0-0    11-4  9-4 310   131   8-7
 54 Sam Hou St (SL)   24  7    0-1    0-0    1-1     5-2 14-3 235    92  11-6
 55 Houston (CUSA)    19 16    0-0    2-2    5-5     6-4  5-3 102   124  9-10
 56 Ohio (MAC)        19 14    0-0    0-1    2-4     7-6  8-3 164   159  6-10
 57 UCSB (BW)         20  9    0-1    0-2    0-0     8-1 11-5 186    84   9-7
 58 Vermont (AE)      25  9    0-0    0-0    0-2     8-3 17-4 308   312  15-7
 59 North Texas (SB)  24  8    0-1    0-1    0-0     5-2 16-4 155   128  12-6
 60 Morgan St (MEAC)  25  9    0-1    0-2    0-1     3-3 22-2 304   171  14-8
 61 E Tenn St (ASun)  20 14    0-0    0-2    0-3     8-5 11-4 206    30  11-9
 62 Rob. Morris (NEC) 23 11    0-1    0-1    0-3     6-5 17-2 310   131  11-8
 63 Winthrop (BSth)   19 13    0-1    0-1    0-3     2-4 15-5 306    88  7-11
 64 Lehigh (Pat)      21 10    0-0    0-2    0-0     1-3 20-5 328   346   7-8
 65 Ark PB (SWAC)     15 15    0-2    0-4    0-2     0-3 15-4 301     1  7-14

 

Last 4 at large in for now:

Minnesota

Florida

California

UTEP

 

Last 3 out:

Virginia Tech

Utah State

Mississippi State

Edited March 14, 2010 by bukie

[illiniguy]

Bukie, I like what you have going on here, but I see no way Illinois is still in after yesterday.

[bukie]

Bukie, I like what you have going on here, but I see no way Illinois is still in after yesterday.

Truthfully, they have so many more good wins than the rest of the bubble, I think they're safer than most people think. Even if Minnesota jumped them in the eyes of the committee, teams like Florida, Cal, Utah State, UTEP, Virginia Tech and Mississippi State just don't have the good wins to compare. Right now, there are 37 teams for 34 at large spots, and I don't think Illinois is one of the worst 3.

[illiniguy]

Bukie, I like what you have going on here, but I see no way Illinois is still in after yesterday.

Truthfully, they have so many more good wins than the rest of the bubble, I think they're safer than most people think. Even if Minnesota jumped them in the eyes of the committee, teams like Florida, Cal, Utah State, UTEP, Virginia Tech and Mississippi State just don't have the good wins to compare. Right now, there are 37 teams for 34 at large spots, and I don't think Illinois is one of the worst 3.

I hope you are right.

[Exile on Waveland]

Here's an Indiana fan that will be upset if Illinois doesn't make the tournament. The Illini have wins at Clemson, Vanderbilt, Michigan State, at Wisconsin, and neutral against Wisconsin. That is simply so, so much better than what these other crappy bubble teams have done. In my bracket I don't think they'd even be one of the "last four" in.

[illiniguy]

Here's an Indiana fan that will be upset if Illinois doesn't make the tournament. The Illini have wins at Clemson, Vanderbilt, Michigan State, at Wisconsin, and neutral against Wisconsin. That is simply so, so much better than what these other crappy bubble teams have done. In my bracket I don't think they'd even be one of the "last four" in.

I agree, but I just have a really bad feeling.

[Exile on Waveland]

Here's an Indiana fan that will be upset if Illinois doesn't make the tournament. The Illini have wins at Clemson, Vanderbilt, Michigan State, at Wisconsin, and neutral against Wisconsin. That is simply so, so much better than what these other crappy bubble teams have done. In my bracket I don't think they'd even be one of the "last four" in.

I agree, but I just have a really bad feeling.

 

Well, I don't blame you at all. If you put a gun to my head I'd probably say they get left out. I just don't think they should be left out.