Fergie Jenkins open letter about Big Mac

[chasinf5s]

If I'm Colby Rasmus and I am looking for someone to help me with the bat, I'll walk right past Mark McGwire and say hello to Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday, thank you very much.

 

No kidding, i just look at McGwire stats and think sure the home runs are impressive but he only had like appx 1100 more hits after those home-runs. Pujols already has 91 more hits that McGwire did

[Magdal]

Jenkins just voiced what MANY pre-80's players are thinking. And if anybody thinks that Mac is more qualified to be a hitting coach than say, Kieth Hernandez or Luis Alicea they need to put that glue down and smell some coffee.

 

It surprises me that the P.C. Cardinal org. would let LaRussa convince them to bring this big red turd back to St. Louis. I hope he DOES let him pinch hit.....I would love to see Zambrano drill him right between the shouder blades. =D>

[SouthSideRyan]

And if anybody thinks that Mac is more qualified to be a hitting coach than say, Kieth Hernandez or Luis Alicea they need to put that glue down and smell some coffee.

 

To be clear, we're talking about coked up Keith Hernandez right?

[rocket]

dave duncan must suck as a pitching coach, because the dude was a CATCHER. i'm not taking advice from someone who didn't even play the position!!!!!!!!!!

[Sammy Sofa]

Jenkins just voiced what MANY pre-80's players are thinking.

 

Yeah, nobody was using PED's before the 80's.

[baseballfan50]

Jenkins just voiced what MANY pre-80's players are thinking.

 

Yeah, nobody was using PED's before the 80's.

 

Agreed. What do you call amphetamines and cocaine?

 

I think players who write these scathing opinions of McGwire need to look at themselves and their colleagues. Jenkins himself did cocaine and marijuana. I'm sure most players in the 1980s then. What about amphetamines? They have been around a long time.

 

I think the only players who can honestly chide any of them are the ones who never cheated and never took drugs. That's very few of them.

 

Steroids weren't right, but it's not like cheating and drugs are new in baseball.

[Magdal]

Jenkins just voiced what MANY pre-80's players are thinking.

 

Yeah, nobody was using PED's before the 80's.

I find it hard to believe that some people put steroids, that build you UP in the same catagory with coke and speed that tear you down.

 

The only benifit of using uppers is to get a short term mental alertness, not long term power and speed. And I sure don't recall Fergie ever throwing a broken bat back at a hitter.

 

Let's not forget that a huge chunk of this society was coking up in the '70s and '80s. In many circles it was concidered chic to do so. I believe that there are plenty of over 40 posters around here that snorted the stuff.

 

As a matter of fact me and a softball teamate decided to drop some speed before a game believing it would help, and be fun. Let me tell you...it wasn't. I was fine 'till I had to run out a double and my head just about split open. Same for my friend who acually threw up and had to sit out the game.

 

Speed may be good for driving a race car, or bowling, or pool shooting, but it DAM sure hurts in real athletics. If there is anyone around here that had a different experience with the stuff I would sure like to hear it!

 

I realize that Doc Ellis once pitched an 8 walk no hitter on LSD, but that's another subject.

[Sammy Sofa]

Jenkins just voiced what MANY pre-80's players are thinking.

 

Yeah, nobody was using PED's before the 80's.

I find it hard to believe that some people put steroids, that build you UP in the same catagory with coke and speed that tear you down.

 

The only benifit of using uppers is to get a short term mental alertness, not long term power and speed. And I sure don't recall Fergie ever throwing a broken bat back at a hitter.

 

Let's not forget that a huge chunk of this society was coking up in the '70s and '80s. In many circles it was concidered chic to do so. I believe that there are plenty of over 40 posters around here that snorted the stuff.

 

As a matter of fact me and a softball teamate decided to drop some speed before a game believing it would help, and be fun. Let me tell you...it wasn't. I was fine 'till I had to run out a double and my head just about split open. Same for my friend who acually threw up and had to sit out the game.

 

Speed may be good for driving a race car, or bowling, or pool shooting, but it DAM sure hurts in real athletics. If there is anyone around here that had a different experience with the stuff I would sure like to hear it!

 

I realize that Doc Ellis once pitched an 8 walk no hitter on LSD, but that's another subject.

 

I'm not only talking about speed. PED's to build strength and get over injuries have potentially been in the game in some shape or form as we're most familiar with them since the 1960's. They can be used to get stronger without getting all jacked up or turning into the stereotypical "'roids monster."

[jersey cubs fan]

Jenkins just voiced what MANY pre-80's players are thinking.

 

Yeah, nobody was using PED's before the 80's.

I find it hard to believe that some people put steroids, that build you UP in the same catagory with coke and speed that tear you down.

 

The only benifit of using uppers is to get a short term mental alertness, not long term power and speed. And I sure don't recall Fergie ever throwing a broken bat back at a hitter.

 

In many ways steroids offer the very same short-term benefit and longterm tear down. That short term mental alertness can have a huge benefit to somebody whose career generall only lasts from about 24-32 years of age.

[Sammy Sofa]

I also don't understand how one can be implying that steroids make someone aggressive but speed does not.

[SouthSideRyan]

And I sure don't recall Fergie ever throwing a broken bat back at a hitter.

 

To hear him and the other fossils tell it, they threw at every other hitter's head. That's pretty comparable.

[Magdal]

I also don't understand how one can be implying that steroids make someone aggressive but speed does not.

Who implied that?

[Sammy Sofa]

I also don't understand how one can be implying that steroids make someone aggressive but speed does not.

Who implied that?

 

Then what does the broken bat have to do with anything? Given the context of the thread and your post there seemed to be an implication that was a 'roid-rage incident. If that's not what you were getting at, then why even bring it up?

[SouthSideRyan]

Let's not forget that a huge chunk of this society was coking up in the '70s and '80s. In many circles it was concidered chic to do so. I believe that there are plenty of over 40 posters around here that snorted the stuff.

 

I didn't really understand this part either.

 

As a matter of fact me and a softball teamate decided to drop some speed before a game believing it would help, and be fun. Let me tell you...it wasn't. I was fine 'till I had to run out a double and my head just about split open. Same for my friend who acually threw up and had to sit out the game.

 

Speed may be good for driving a race car, or bowling, or pool shooting, but it DAM sure hurts in real athletics. If there is anyone around here that had a different experience with the stuff I would sure like to hear it!

 

Or this. As legitamate as I'm sure your softball game was, I'm not really seeing this as a comparable situation.

[Magdal]

I also don't understand how one can be implying that steroids make someone aggressive but speed does not.

Who implied that?

 

Then what does the broken bat have to do with anything? Given the context of the thread and your post there seemed to be an implication that was a 'roid-rage incident. If that's not what you were getting at, then why even bring it up?

I see what you mean. I didn't bridge those 2 thoughts very well. I believe that steroids can lead to aggresive outbursts, whereas speed to a feeling of well being. Very different drugs. One long term and very serious, one short term where the effects go away pretty quickly.

[Magdal]

Let's not forget that a huge chunk of this society was coking up in the '70s and '80s. In many circles it was concidered chic to do so. I believe that there are plenty of over 40 posters around here that snorted the stuff.

 

I didn't really understand this part either.

 

As a matter of fact me and a softball teamate decided to drop some speed before a game believing it would help, and be fun. Let me tell you...it wasn't. I was fine 'till I had to run out a double and my head just about split open. Same for my friend who acually threw up and had to sit out the game.

 

Speed may be good for driving a race car, or bowling, or pool shooting, but it DAM sure hurts in real athletics. If there is anyone around here that had a different experience with the stuff I would sure like to hear it!

 

Or this. As legitamate as I'm sure your softball game was, I'm not really seeing this as a comparable situation.

All I'm saying is that uppers don't enhance performance in strenuous athletics and should not be compared to 'roids.

 

Unless me and my friend were some wierd exeption to the rule the speed was the worst thing we could do to "enhance".

[Sammy Sofa]

I also don't understand how one can be implying that steroids make someone aggressive but speed does not.

Who implied that?

 

Then what does the broken bat have to do with anything? Given the context of the thread and your post there seemed to be an implication that was a 'roid-rage incident. If that's not what you were getting at, then why even bring it up?

I see what you mean. I didn't bridge those 2 thoughts very well. I believe that steroids can lead to aggresive outbursts, whereas speed to a feeling of well being. Very different drugs. One long term and very serious, one short term where the effects go away pretty quickly.

 

I can safely say with 10000% confidence that a ton of the "uppers" guys were taking most certainly do not leave people with only a "feeling of well being." The various types of speed-type drugs out there lead to aggression, nervousness and overexcitability more often than not.

[SouthSideRyan]

And I think connecting the thrown bat to roid rage is a tenuous link at best. Clemens is just a prick.

[SouthSideRyan]

All I'm saying is that uppers don't enhance performance in strenuous athletics and should not be compared to 'roids.

 

Unless me and my friend were some wierd exeption to the rule the speed was the worst thing we could do to "enhance".

 

Your friend and you don't:

 

-Have the bodies of professional athletes

-Have the training regimens of professional athletes

-Have acces to the type of drugs a professional athlete does.

 

There's really no comparison between what you guys did/felt and what a pro athlete would.

[Soul]

All I'm saying is that uppers don't enhance performance in strenuous athletics and should not be compared to 'roids.

 

Unless me and my friend were some wierd exeption to the rule the speed was the worst thing we could do to "enhance".

 

Your friend and you don't:

 

-Have the bodies of professional athletes

-Have the training regimens of professional athletes

-Have acces to the type of drugs a professional athlete does.

 

There's really no comparison between what you guys did/felt and what a pro athlete would.

 

Yeah, plus there are so many varieties out there now. Hard to compare personal experience to anything someone else is doing; even from one player to another.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Shut the [expletive] up you coke fiend

 

 

I thought it was pot, but yea