Cubs All Decade Team

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe the anti team should be opening day starters, as in guys somebody thought was an acceptable starter for the year, like Chris Stynes.

[bukie]

I don't see how CF on the all-decade team can't be 2008 Edmonds. Nobody else was particularly close.

 

I love Jimmy, but defense matters

Enough to overcome the overwhelming offensive advantage Edmonds had? Really, then, the only other player close was 2003 Patterson, as none of the Cub CFs were particularly good defensively either aside from Patterson/Pie. 2003 Lofton was at best average defensively with a decent offensive push in the second-half 2003.

 

Nomah in 2004 wasn't particularly good for Nomah, but it was still leagues better than Theriot/Gonzalez/Gutierrez/Cedeno offensively, and only Gonzalez would have an argument defensively (except, you know, 2003 game 6 disqualifies him from any discussion of value from that year).

[SouthSideRyan]

I think 2003 CPat would have a damn good argument against '08 Edmonds (both played ~half a season)

 

2004 CPat was one of the more underappreciated seasons i've lived through. A lot of people thought he sucked out loud that year. He was pretty damn good if you buy that he was a good-great defender.

[bukie]

Maybe the anti team should be opening day starters, as in guys somebody thought was an acceptable starter for the year, like Chris Stynes.

 

In that case...

 

C: 2001 Todd Hundley

1B: 2001 Julio Zuleta

2B: 2002 Delino DeShields

3B: 2002 Chris Stynes

SS: 2000 Jose Nieves

LF: 2005 Todd Hollandsworth

CF: 2001 Damon Buford

RF: 2007 Jacque Jones

 

SP: 2006 Glendon Rusch

SP: 2006 Jerome Williams

SP: 2000 Kyle Farnsworth

SP: 2003 Shawn Estes

SP: 2002 Jason Bere

CL: 2009 Kevin Gregg

[AlwaysaCub]

The Anti team:

 

C: Hundley

1b: Hee Sop Choi

2b: Jose "The Gremlin" Macias

SS: Ronny Cedeno

3b: Ron Coomer

LF: Jason "The Creature" Dubois

CF: CPat

RF: Jeromy Burnitz

 

SP: Sean Estes

SP: Wade Miller

SP: Jerome Williams

SP: Juan Mateo

Cl: Kevin Gregg

Rp: Jeff Fassero

Rp: Les Walrond

Rp: Aaron Heilmann

 

I see your Ron Coomer and raise you a Willie Greene.

 

Did not consider Greene. You are probably correct, though Coomer was pretty crappy. I should have made Roosevelt Brown, Bobby Hill, Neifi, and 2005 Todd Hollandsworth honorable mentions as well

 

As far as PT considerations, I think an AB or games minimum works better than opening day roster inclusion. For instance Damon Buford may have started on opening day, but he only had 89 PA for the year.

[NCCubFan]

I should have made Roosevelt Brown, Bobby Hill, Neifi, and 2005 Todd Hollandsworth honorable mentions as well.

You mean dishonorable mention. :D

[Splendid Splinter]

All Decade Team

 

C - Michael Barrett 2006

1B - Derrek Lee 2005

2B - Mark Bellhorn 2003

3B - Aramis Ramirez 2004

SS - Ricky Gutierrez 2000

LF - Rondell White 2001

CF - Jim Edmonds 2008

RF - Sammy Sosa 2001

 

UT - Mark DeRosa 2008

C - Geovany Soto 2008

1B - Fred McGriff 2001

OF - Alfonso Soriano 2007

MI - Ryan Theriot 2006

 

SP - Mark Prior 2003

SP - Carlos Zambrano 2004

SP - Ryan Dempster 2008

SP - Ted Lilly 2009

SP - Kerry Wood 2003

 

6th SP - Rich Harden 2008

RP - Carlos Marmol 2007

RP - Tim Worrell 2000

RP - Kent Mercker 2004

RP - LaTroy Hawkins 2004

RP - Todd Van Poppel 2001

RP - Joe Borowski 2003

 

 

Anti- Decade Team:

 

C - Joe Girardi 2002

1B - Eric Karros 2003

2B - Neifi Perez 2006

3B - Willie Greene 2000

SS - Ronny Cedeno 2006

LF - Roosevelt Brown 2002

CF - Corey Patterson 2005

RF - Troy O'Leary 2003

 

UT - Jose Macias 2004

C - Paul Bako 2004

1B - John Mabry 2006

OF - Tom Goodwin 2004

IF - Aaron Miles 2009

 

SP - Jason Bere 2002

SP - Shawn Estes 2003

SP - Carlos Marmol 2006

SP - Sean Marshall 2006

SP - Ruben Quevedo 2000

 

RP - Kyle Farnsworth 2000

RP - Felix Heredia 2001

RP - Jeff Fassero 2002

RP - Antonio Alfonseca 2003

RP - Glendon Rusch 2006

RP - Jeff Samardzija 2009

RP/SP - Angel Guzman 2006

[Bull]

anti team

 

the entire 2006 roster.

[NewUserName]

just kind of looking over all these stats, something really came out to me. The Cubs bench in 2008 is really really good. In 2009 it was really really bad

[rocket]

I don't see how CF on the all-decade team can't be 2008 Edmonds. Nobody else was particularly close.

 

I love Jimmy, but defense matters

 

DID YOU SEE THE CATCH ON THE HILL IN HOUSTON

[daske17]

C 2006 Michael Barrett

1B 2005 Derrek Lee

2B 2008 Mark DeRosa

SS 2000 Ricky Gutierrez

3B 2004 Aramis Ramirez

LF 2004 Moises Alou

CF 2003 Corey Patterson

RF 2001 Sammy Sosa

 

UT 2008 Mike Fontenot

UT 2007 Daryl Ward

OF 2008 Reed Johnson

OF 2003 Kenny Lofton

C 2008 Henry Blanco

 

SP 2003 Mark Prior

SP 2008 Ryan Dempster

SP 2002 Matt Clement

SP 2003 Kerry Wood

SP 2004 Carlos Zambrano

 

CL 2003 Joe Borowski

RHP 2004 Latroy Hawkins

RHP 2007 Carlos Marmol

RHP 2000 Todd Van Poppel

LHP 2004 Kent Mercker

LHP 2005 Will Ohman

6th/Swing 2006 Glendon Rusch

[Hawk4Hall]

The Anti team:

 

C: Hundley

1b: Hee Sop Choi

2b: Jose "The Gremlin" Macias

SS: Ronny Cedeno

3b: Ron Coomer

LF: Jason "The Creature" Dubois

CF: CPat

RF: Jeromy Burnitz

 

SP: Sean Estes

SP: Wade Miller

SP: Jerome Williams

SP: Juan Mateo

Cl: Kevin Gregg

Rp: Jeff Fassero

Rp: Les Walrond

Rp: Aaron Heilmann

Ron Coomer over Shane Andrews at 3b?

[AlwaysaCub]

The Anti team:

 

C: Hundley

1b: Hee Sop Choi

2b: Jose "The Gremlin" Macias

SS: Ronny Cedeno

3b: Ron Coomer

LF: Jason "The Creature" Dubois

CF: CPat

RF: Jeromy Burnitz

 

SP: Sean Estes

SP: Wade Miller

SP: Jerome Williams

SP: Juan Mateo

Cl: Kevin Gregg

Rp: Jeff Fassero

Rp: Les Walrond

Rp: Aaron Heilmann

Ron Coomer over Shane Andrews at 3b?

 

Willie Greene is ahead of Andrews on the anti-depth chart (look at their rate stats), but I picked Coomer because wanted to honor a guy who managed to be a huge sinkhole on an otherwise above average team while also being regarded as a complete Jerk, IIRC.

 

While I'm at it, let me note that Coomer had 23 GIDP in only 389 PA in 2001.

[fromthestretch]

The Anti team:

 

C: Hundley

1b: Hee Sop Choi

2b: Jose "The Gremlin" Macias

SS: Ronny Cedeno

3b: Ron Coomer

LF: Jason "The Creature" Dubois

CF: CPat

RF: Jeromy Burnitz

 

SP: Sean Estes

SP: Wade Miller

SP: Jerome Williams

SP: Juan Mateo

Cl: Kevin Gregg

Rp: Jeff Fassero

Rp: Les Walrond

Rp: Aaron Heilmann

Ron Coomer over Shane Andrews at 3b?

 

Shane Andrews managed an .803 OPS for the Cubs in 2000. Coomer was nearly 100 points below that. Both played crappy defense.

[jersey cubs fan]

but I picked Coomer because wanted to honor a guy who managed to be a huge sinkhole on an otherwise above average team while also being regarded as a complete Jerk, IIRC.

 

I don't know about Coomer, but I think Stynes was considered a jerk by many, and was the guy who threw a ball toward a media members head (missing)

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[AlwaysaCub]

but I picked Coomer because wanted to honor a guy who managed to be a huge sinkhole on an otherwise above average team while also being regarded as a complete Jerk, IIRC.

 

I don't know about Coomer, but I think Stynes was considered a jerk by many, and was the guy who threw a ball toward a media members head (missing)

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Ooooo good call, I definitely confused the two players. Stynes has a case for making the team, hitting .241/.314/.374 in 100 games at third. He should at least be on the bench.