NCAA Conference Realignment

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm willing to bet there's not a significant difference in Big Ten alums in NYC compared to ACC alums (Including Cuse and Pitt) in NYC (But this is really taking the argument to a non-important topic)

 

In total numbers? There are also exponentially more big ten alums out there bc the schools are massive (and alumnus also includes former students who don't graduate, which gives big ten schools another several hundred thousand).

 

painting Big Ten alumns as drop-out failures is hurting my feelings, Richard. Its sooo unkind.

 

It's not that they're all drop out failures. But if you're making an argument based on total alumni base and you're starting with numbers as skewed as ACC v big ten, I assume you're going the extra step of including people that attended those schools but didn't graduate.

 

I'm not quite sure of your point. It's especially strange when you've got a 90% non-alum rate of ND fans.

[Tracer Bullet]

I personally quite enjoy that I can't disagree with the "ND has, has, HAS to join the B1G" groupthink that SSR and most of this and other boards have without being shredded for some sort of grudge against the conference. Yes, the B1G is not my favorite league in the universe, but Mariner's Revenge has echoed most of the reasons I have for preferring the ACC (the biggest being that they'd probably let ND keep the NBC contract). If the B1G was the best thing for Notre Dame, I'd be all for it, but there's very little reason to believe it is outside of regional convenience, and we've seen that that means damn near nothing.

 

One thing that MR hasn't yet said but I suspect is in the works is at least one of the Michigan schools trying to drop ND entirely once the B1G goes to a 9-game schedule. Like he said, UM already wants a break from the series and MSU is taking a break from ND in 14-15 as well. This is not a good thing, but ND could easily replace them with more of the travel games that MR likes with schools that don't have as much history with ND as either of those two but at least still very much on the radar (more games against Texas, for instance, although that would be an absolute best-case scenario).

 

Yeah, the rumor/expectation is that um and maybe msu will drop ND entirely. I don't much care one way or the other. I like playing those schools usually but opening up those 2-3 September dates would make scheduling other quality teams infinitely easier. The big ten's insistence on playing ND in September has made it harder to play schools that will come to ND, but not when it's cold (SEC teams, primarily).

 

but by joining the big ten and scheduling pn st, os and Michigan in November/Oct, doesn't that open up September up for those supposed wanton SEC team?

 

Arguments muddle again. But that's not a benefit that the big ten has over independence or the ACC. I'd rather not play those teams than join the big ten.

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm willing to bet there's not a significant difference in Big Ten alums in NYC compared to ACC alums (Including Cuse and Pitt) in NYC (But this is really taking the argument to a non-important topic)

 

In total numbers? There are also exponentially more big ten alums out there bc the schools are massive (and alumnus also includes former students who don't graduate, which gives big ten schools another several hundred thousand).

 

painting Big Ten alumns as drop-out failures is hurting my feelings, Richard. Its sooo unkind.

 

It's not that they're all drop out failures. But if you're making an argument based on total alumni base and you're starting with numbers as skewed as ACC v big ten, I assume you're going the extra step of including people that attended those schools but didn't graduate.

 

I'm not quite sure of your point. It's especially strange when you've got a 90% non-alum rate of ND fans.

 

Good bc I wasn't sure what point you were making with the alumni count anyway.

[SouthSideRyan]

I personally quite enjoy that I can't disagree with the "ND has, has, HAS to join the B1G" groupthink that SSR and most of this and other boards have without being shredded for some sort of grudge against the conference. Yes, the B1G is not my favorite league in the universe, but Mariner's Revenge has echoed most of the reasons I have for preferring the ACC (the biggest being that they'd probably let ND keep the NBC contract). If the B1G was the best thing for Notre Dame, I'd be all for it, but there's very little reason to believe it is outside of regional convenience, and we've seen that that means damn near nothing.

 

One thing that MR hasn't yet said but I suspect is in the works is at least one of the Michigan schools trying to drop ND entirely once the B1G goes to a 9-game schedule. Like he said, UM already wants a break from the series and MSU is taking a break from ND in 14-15 as well. This is not a good thing, but ND could easily replace them with more of the travel games that MR likes with schools that don't have as much history with ND as either of those two but at least still very much on the radar (more games against Texas, for instance, although that would be an absolute best-case scenario).

 

Yeah, the rumor/expectation is that um and maybe msu will drop ND entirely. I don't much care one way or the other. I like playing those schools usually but opening up those 2-3 September dates would make scheduling other quality teams infinitely easier. The big ten's insistence on playing ND in September has made it harder to play schools that will come to ND, but not when it's cold (SEC teams, primarily).

 

but by joining the big ten and scheduling pn st, os and Michigan in November/Oct, doesn't that open up September up for those supposed wanton SEC team?

 

And miss out on their November showdown with Duke? No dice!

[Tracer Bullet]

just say it, you have no respect for me since I live on the west side of puget sound. you've already assumed the Seattle aire-of authority.

 

West of Puget Sound? You live in Japan?

 

 

Konichiwa!

 

No thanks. I just ate.

[SouthSideRyan]

And I love how everyone keeps forgetting Indiana in all this.

 

Just keep sleeping on us...

 

Indi-who?

 

I prefer [expletive] on Indiana...but why are people supposed to talk about them when the topic is conference realignment???

[Tracer Bullet]

I personally quite enjoy that I can't disagree with the "ND has, has, HAS to join the B1G" groupthink that SSR and most of this and other boards have without being shredded for some sort of grudge against the conference. Yes, the B1G is not my favorite league in the universe, but Mariner's Revenge has echoed most of the reasons I have for preferring the ACC (the biggest being that they'd probably let ND keep the NBC contract). If the B1G was the best thing for Notre Dame, I'd be all for it, but there's very little reason to believe it is outside of regional convenience, and we've seen that that means damn near nothing.

 

One thing that MR hasn't yet said but I suspect is in the works is at least one of the Michigan schools trying to drop ND entirely once the B1G goes to a 9-game schedule. Like he said, UM already wants a break from the series and MSU is taking a break from ND in 14-15 as well. This is not a good thing, but ND could easily replace them with more of the travel games that MR likes with schools that don't have as much history with ND as either of those two but at least still very much on the radar (more games against Texas, for instance, although that would be an absolute best-case scenario).

 

Yeah, the rumor/expectation is that um and maybe msu will drop ND entirely. I don't much care one way or the other. I like playing those schools usually but opening up those 2-3 September dates would make scheduling other quality teams infinitely easier. The big ten's insistence on playing ND in September has made it harder to play schools that will come to ND, but not when it's cold (SEC teams, primarily).

 

but by joining the big ten and scheduling pn st, os and Michigan in November/Oct, doesn't that open up September up for those supposed wanton SEC team?

 

And miss out on their November showdown with Duke? No dice!

Low hanging fruit is your specialty.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not quite sure of your point. It's especially strange when you've got a 90% non-alum rate of ND fans.

 

Good bc I wasn't sure what point you were making with the alumni count anyway.

 

Well I didn't know what your point was before that!

 

PS, I think Minny is drunk.

[Tracer Bullet]

And I love how everyone keeps forgetting Indiana in all this.

 

Just keep sleeping on us...

 

Indi-who?

 

I prefer [expletive] on Indiana...but why are people supposed to talk about them when the topic is conference realignment???

 

Tarver must assume that IU is getting kicked out in favor of KU.

[SouthSideRyan]

I personally quite enjoy that I can't disagree with the "ND has, has, HAS to join the B1G" groupthink that SSR and most of this and other boards have without being shredded for some sort of grudge against the conference. Yes, the B1G is not my favorite league in the universe, but Mariner's Revenge has echoed most of the reasons I have for preferring the ACC (the biggest being that they'd probably let ND keep the NBC contract). If the B1G was the best thing for Notre Dame, I'd be all for it, but there's very little reason to believe it is outside of regional convenience, and we've seen that that means damn near nothing.

 

One thing that MR hasn't yet said but I suspect is in the works is at least one of the Michigan schools trying to drop ND entirely once the B1G goes to a 9-game schedule. Like he said, UM already wants a break from the series and MSU is taking a break from ND in 14-15 as well. This is not a good thing, but ND could easily replace them with more of the travel games that MR likes with schools that don't have as much history with ND as either of those two but at least still very much on the radar (more games against Texas, for instance, although that would be an absolute best-case scenario).

 

Yeah, the rumor/expectation is that um and maybe msu will drop ND entirely. I don't much care one way or the other. I like playing those schools usually but opening up those 2-3 September dates would make scheduling other quality teams infinitely easier. The big ten's insistence on playing ND in September has made it harder to play schools that will come to ND, but not when it's cold (SEC teams, primarily).

 

but by joining the big ten and scheduling pn st, os and Michigan in November/Oct, doesn't that open up September up for those supposed wanton SEC team?

 

And miss out on their November showdown with Duke? No dice!

Low hanging fruit is your specialty.

 

This is a family board.

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm not quite sure of your point. It's especially strange when you've got a 90% non-alum rate of ND fans.

 

Good bc I wasn't sure what point you were making with the alumni count anyway.

 

Well I didn't know what your point was before that!

 

PS, I think Minny is drunk.

It's after 11am here, so I'm sure he is.

[Tarver]

And I love how everyone keeps forgetting Indiana in all this.

 

Just keep sleeping on us...

 

Indi-who?

 

I prefer [expletive] on Indiana...but why are people supposed to talk about them when the topic is conference realignment???

 

We're not, I'm just pissed my school has become such an afterthought.

[SouthSideRyan]

And I love how everyone keeps forgetting Indiana in all this.

 

Just keep sleeping on us...

 

Indi-who?

 

I prefer [expletive] on Indiana...but why are people supposed to talk about them when the topic is conference realignment???

 

Tarver must assume that IU is getting kicked out in favor of KU.

 

It would open them up to move to the MVC and set up the can't miss rivalry with the Sycamores.

[minnesotacubsfan]

just say it, you have no respect for me since I live on the west side of puget sound. you've already assumed the Seattle aire-of authority.

 

West of Puget Sound? You live in Japan?

 

 

Konichiwa!

 

No thanks. I just ate.

 

i offa you aftanoon greetin and you spit on me!!?!?! NO SUSHI FO YOU!

[Tracer Bullet]

I personally quite enjoy that I can't disagree with the "ND has, has, HAS to join the B1G" groupthink that SSR and most of this and other boards have without being shredded for some sort of grudge against the conference. Yes, the B1G is not my favorite league in the universe, but Mariner's Revenge has echoed most of the reasons I have for preferring the ACC (the biggest being that they'd probably let ND keep the NBC contract). If the B1G was the best thing for Notre Dame, I'd be all for it, but there's very little reason to believe it is outside of regional convenience, and we've seen that that means damn near nothing.

 

One thing that MR hasn't yet said but I suspect is in the works is at least one of the Michigan schools trying to drop ND entirely once the B1G goes to a 9-game schedule. Like he said, UM already wants a break from the series and MSU is taking a break from ND in 14-15 as well. This is not a good thing, but ND could easily replace them with more of the travel games that MR likes with schools that don't have as much history with ND as either of those two but at least still very much on the radar (more games against Texas, for instance, although that would be an absolute best-case scenario).

 

Yeah, the rumor/expectation is that um and maybe msu will drop ND entirely. I don't much care one way or the other. I like playing those schools usually but opening up those 2-3 September dates would make scheduling other quality teams infinitely easier. The big ten's insistence on playing ND in September has made it harder to play schools that will come to ND, but not when it's cold (SEC teams, primarily).

 

but by joining the big ten and scheduling pn st, os and Michigan in November/Oct, doesn't that open up September up for those supposed wanton SEC team?

 

And miss out on their November showdown with Duke? No dice!

Low hanging fruit is your specialty.

 

This is a family board.

I wasn't even talking about your Saturday night conquests.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm not quite sure of your point. It's especially strange when you've got a 90% non-alum rate of ND fans.

 

Good bc I wasn't sure what point you were making with the alumni count anyway.

 

Well I didn't know what your point was before that!

 

PS, I think Minny is drunk.

It's after 11am here, so I'm sure he is.

 

just drunk on looooove..

[Tracer Bullet]

And I love how everyone keeps forgetting Indiana in all this.

 

Just keep sleeping on us...

 

Indi-who?

 

I prefer [expletive] on Indiana...but why are people supposed to talk about them when the topic is conference realignment???

 

Tarver must assume that IU is getting kicked out in favor of KU.

 

It would open them up to move to the MVC and set up the can't miss rivalry with the Sycamores.

Stop playing with Snood's emotions.

 

Snood: DA on line 2. He's tired of you playing hard to get.

[Tarver]

Bobby Knight, the underemployed turn a lonely eye to you

[Tracer Bullet]

And I love how everyone keeps forgetting Indiana in all this.

 

Just keep sleeping on us...

 

Indi-who?

 

I prefer [expletive] on Indiana...but why are people supposed to talk about them when the topic is conference realignment???

 

We're not, I'm just pissed my school has become such an afterthought.

 

Haha. No one's thought of IU since bobby choked that kid.

[chuckywang]

Yeah Chuck, but nobody goes to Memphis or Temple to play football.

 

They're NBA mills. And they'll be competitive/dominant in any conference they want to go.

 

Temple is an NBA mill?

 

Not really, but they produce more basketball players than they do football.

 

See Chuck's post above.

 

Temple currently is in the MAC for football only, while in the A-10 for all other sports. So my idea could be the same: MAC for football, Big East for everything else.

 

Same for Memphis if they were to replace Butler.

[Tarver]

Yeah Chuck, but nobody goes to Memphis or Temple to play football.

 

They're NBA mills. And they'll be competitive/dominant in any conference they want to go.

 

Temple is an NBA mill?

 

Not really, but they produce more basketball players than they do football.

 

See Chuck's post above.

 

Temple currently is in the MAC for football only, while in the A-10 for all other sports. So my idea could be the same: MAC for football, Big East for everything else.

 

Same for Memphis if they were to replace Butler.

 

I think Temple plays their home football games on a gravel parking lot. Your idea's fine, problem is the NCAA is a [expletive] joke.

[minnesotacubsfan]

And I love how everyone keeps forgetting Indiana in all this.

 

Just keep sleeping on us...

 

Indi-who?

 

I prefer [expletive] on Indiana...but why are people supposed to talk about them when the topic is conference realignment???

 

We're not, I'm just pissed my school has become such an afterthought.

 

Haha. No one's thought of IU since bobby choked that kid.

 

thats not really true. I mean, no one thought of IU prior to that either. That event was perhaps only the second time since the 1970's that anyone thought of IU. I'm not sure what the other event was.

[snoodmonger]

So if it does go to superconferences, will the four superconferences cut the NCAA out and run their own basketball tournament? Because right now, there's a ton of money being made in hoops. The schools just don't get nearly as large a percentage because the NCAA uses it to cover their operating costs and other stuff.

[minnesotacubsfan]

that sounds like Kansas's only hope for inclusion to one of them,or strongest hope

[Tracer Bullet]

So if it does go to superconferences, will the four superconferences cut the NCAA out and run their own basketball tournament? Because right now, there's a ton of money being made in hoops. The schools just don't get nearly as large a percentage because the NCAA uses it to cover their operating costs and other stuff.

 

I still think it's all being driven by football media revenue. I don't know how the teams could come up with their own tourney and keep all these other schools out.