NCAA Conference Realignment

[Guest]

Notre Dame plays 2-3 games a year outside the Big 10's footprint. It's not like they go on a traveling roadshow to ends of the country each year.

[javy knows my name]

I hate college football a little bit

[E.J.]

ND has only 2 10-win seasons in the past 20 years and you're acting like you're too good for the Big Ten. It's fine. We're getting tired of beating up on you anyway.

[Guest]

I hate college football a little bit

 

You'll get your all-catholic basketball conference that will have an automatic bid, don't worry.

[javy knows my name]

I hate college football a little bit

 

You'll get your all-catholic basketball conference that will have an automatic bid, don't worry.

 

H8 U

[bukie]

So, hypothetical situation here. Let's say the Big East and Big 12 implode to create four 16-team superconferences. There are currently 66 teams in the 6 conferences, not even including schools like Notre Dame, BYU, TCU and Boise State. Who gets left out when the games of musical chairs end?

 

I think this is a large part of why Rutgers wants to hop on a conference now rather than wait to see how things shake out.

[SouthSideRyan]

Can't wait for Andy's reaction to ND joining the Big Ten.

 

If there are 4 superconferences, isn't your preference: ACC, PAC, BIGX, SEC?

 

God no. Why would you think that?

 

what's your preference?

 

The Big Ten, as I'd expect most ND fans to prefer except for you for some reason and Andy because the Big Ten apparently stole his lunch money and magic markered his pee-pee as a kid.

Edited September 19, 2011 by SouthSideRyan

[minnesotacubsfan]

ND to Big 10 makes all the sense in the world.

[WrigleyField 22]

Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State jump out right away as teams that could end up screwed. I have to wonder if a scenario happens with only 12 and 14 team leagues, leaving enough for some Big 12 and MWC teams to band-aid together an AQ conference, with the Big East no longer sponsoring football.

[SouthSideRyan]

So, hypothetical situation here. Let's say the Big East and Big 12 implode to create four 16-team superconferences. There are currently 66 teams in the 6 conferences, not even including schools like Notre Dame, BYU, TCU and Boise State. Who gets left out when the games of musical chairs end?

 

 

Top of my head: Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, Baylor, BYU, Boise

[minnesotacubsfan]

no one cares about Kansas anyway.

 

heey snood, didnt see you standing there...

[Tarver]

I hate college football a little bit

 

You'll get your all-catholic basketball conference that will have an automatic bid, don't worry.

 

Have you addressed the farce your alma mater took part in this past weekend yet?

 

What a joke. Wasn't it just a few years ago when Pinkel was bitching about Nebraska and Oklahoma State's strength of schedule?

[Guest]

I hate college football a little bit

 

You'll get your all-catholic basketball conference that will have an automatic bid, don't worry.

 

Have you addressed the farce your alma mater took part in this past weekend yet?

 

What a joke. Wasn't it just a few years ago when Pinkel was bitching about Nebraska and Oklahoma State's strength of schedule?

 

Their schedule consists of 10 BCS schools(4 home, 5 road, 1 neutral), last year's MAC champion, and an FCS school. The fact that they happened to pick a pretty bad FCS school is hardly a reason to complain about their schedule.

[Guest]

So, hypothetical situation here. Let's say the Big East and Big 12 implode to create four 16-team superconferences. There are currently 66 teams in the 6 conferences, not even including schools like Notre Dame, BYU, TCU and Boise State. Who gets left out when the games of musical chairs end?

 

I think this is a large part of why Rutgers wants to hop on a conference now rather than wait to see how things shake out.

 

I think the Big East and Big 12 can(and probably will) implode, but we don't end up at 4x16. If the ACC is pillaging the Big East to get to 16 and the Pac-12 takes the public Big 12 South schools to get to 16, I just don't see many attractive options to justify the Big 10 and SEC going to 16. I think you're more likely to see Conference USA and the Mountain West grow their numbers, and the Mountain West may even get to AQ status in the wake of the Big 12 and Big East.

 

That said, I'd think the teams at most risk are ISU, Baylor, TCU, South Florida, and maybe Cincy and Louisville.

[Banedon]

So, hypothetical situation here. Let's say the Big East and Big 12 implode to create four 16-team superconferences. There are currently 66 teams in the 6 conferences, not even including schools like Notre Dame, BYU, TCU and Boise State. Who gets left out when the games of musical chairs end?

 

I think this is a large part of why Rutgers wants to hop on a conference now rather than wait to see how things shake out.

 

I'd love to see Boise State end up in an automatic bid conference, but I have no faith that that will actually occur.

[bukie]

So, hypothetical situation here. Let's say the Big East and Big 12 implode to create four 16-team superconferences. There are currently 66 teams in the 6 conferences, not even including schools like Notre Dame, BYU, TCU and Boise State. Who gets left out when the games of musical chairs end?

 

I think this is a large part of why Rutgers wants to hop on a conference now rather than wait to see how things shake out.

 

I think the Big East and Big 12 can(and probably will) implode, but we don't end up at 4x16. If the ACC is pillaging the Big East to get to 16 and the Pac-12 takes the public Big 12 South schools to get to 16, I just don't see many attractive options to justify the Big 10 and SEC going to 16. I think you're more likely to see Conference USA and the Mountain West grow their numbers, and the Mountain West may even get to AQ status in the wake of the Big 12 and Big East.

 

That said, I'd think the teams at most risk are ISU, Baylor, TCU, South Florida, and maybe Cincy and Louisville.

 

Well, here's what I think will happen next:

- UConn and Rutgers/Louisville to ACC (Rutgers wants in, but I think Louisville would fit better) so ACC is at 16

- A&M and, let's say, West Virginia to SEC to get to 14 in SEC

- Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, and BYU/Texas Tech(?) to Pac to get them to 16

- ND/Big Ten makes too much sense not to happen at this point, so the Big Ten adds them and Cincy/Louisville/Rutgers/Missouri to get to 14.

 

That leaves an absence of 4 spots (2 each in SEC/Big Ten) for the 4x16 layout, and leaves Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, South Florida, TCU, one of BYU/Texas Tech, and two of Cincy/Louisville/Rutgers/Missouri out. Maybe those 8 teams can form another conference from the ashes along with Boise State and a couple other high-profile MWC teams?

[WrigleyField 22]

Does the fact that the MWC has its own T.V. network already keep it relevant in trying to attract schools left out and gaining AQ status (rather than their current top teams just bolting for a new conference).

[Tarver]

I hate college football a little bit

 

You'll get your all-catholic basketball conference that will have an automatic bid, don't worry.

 

Have you addressed the farce your alma mater took part in this past weekend yet?

 

What a joke. Wasn't it just a few years ago when Pinkel was bitching about Nebraska and Oklahoma State's strength of schedule?

 

Their schedule consists of 10 BCS schools(4 home, 5 road, 1 neutral), last year's MAC champion, and an FCS school. The fact that they happened to pick a pretty bad FCS school is hardly a reason to complain about their schedule.

 

Sure, and everyone does it, but it reminded me of the '90's when Mizzou was a doormat and they'd schedule any [expletive] team they thought was an easy W the few times channel 11 sent a camera to Columbia.

 

They're national now, they should act like it.

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

Delaney has said he wants the teams to play each other more. Expanding at this point doesn't make much sense if that is his true intent. The BTN is a cash cow, and everyone is trying to catch up. Expanding doesn't make sense until ND agrees to join the conference on EQUAL terms. Only then should expansion occur.

[SouthSideRyan]

People are too focused on the #16. Unless they pick off an ACC team or 2, there's not a viable 15-16 for the Big Ten.

[Guest]

So, hypothetical situation here. Let's say the Big East and Big 12 implode to create four 16-team superconferences. There are currently 66 teams in the 6 conferences, not even including schools like Notre Dame, BYU, TCU and Boise State. Who gets left out when the games of musical chairs end?

 

I think this is a large part of why Rutgers wants to hop on a conference now rather than wait to see how things shake out.

 

I think the Big East and Big 12 can(and probably will) implode, but we don't end up at 4x16. If the ACC is pillaging the Big East to get to 16 and the Pac-12 takes the public Big 12 South schools to get to 16, I just don't see many attractive options to justify the Big 10 and SEC going to 16. I think you're more likely to see Conference USA and the Mountain West grow their numbers, and the Mountain West may even get to AQ status in the wake of the Big 12 and Big East.

 

That said, I'd think the teams at most risk are ISU, Baylor, TCU, South Florida, and maybe Cincy and Louisville.

 

Well, here's what I think will happen next:

- UConn and Rutgers/Louisville to ACC (Rutgers wants in, but I think Louisville would fit better) so ACC is at 16

- A&M and, let's say, West Virginia to SEC to get to 14 in SEC

- Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, and BYU/Texas Tech(?) to Pac to get them to 16

- ND/Big Ten makes too much sense not to happen at this point, so the Big Ten adds them and Cincy/Louisville/Rutgers/Missouri to get to 14.

 

That leaves an absence of 4 spots (2 each in SEC/Big Ten) for the 4x16 layout, and leaves Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, South Florida, TCU, one of BYU/Texas Tech, and two of Cincy/Louisville/Rutgers/Missouri out. Maybe those 8 teams can form another conference from the ashes along with Boise State and a couple other high-profile MWC teams?

 

I don't think we're too far apart. Let's say for argument's sake that the ACC takes Rutgers to lock down the east coast, and that the Big 10 picks Mizzou for the media markets/football program/academics/I'm not going to pick against them/etc. I have a hard time seeing the Big 10 or the SEC wanting 2 more of the available schools . So what I think you'd see is the Mountain West grab TCU, KU, KSU, ISU, and hopefully BYU. They're now at 16 and they have to be a near lock for AQ status. Then, Louisville, Cincy, Baylor, and South Florida move to Conference USA to get them to 16. Football is historically 2nd fiddle at all these schools anyway(so losing AQ status won't be the killer it would at other schools), and 3 of them were C-USA schools in the last 10 years.

 

So to answer your original question, who loses, from a football standpoint? Louisville, Baylor, Cincy, and South Florida.

[Formerly Snayke]

Sure, and everyone does it, but it reminded me of the '90's when Mizzou was a doormat and they'd schedule any [expletive] team they thought was an easy W the few times channel 11 sent a camera to Columbia.

 

They're national now, they should act like it.

 

I don't understand the larger point you're making here.

[Tracer Bullet]

ND has only 2 10-win seasons in the past 20 years and you're acting like you're too good for the Big Ten. It's fine. We're getting tired of beating up on you anyway.

 

Haha. That's exactly what I said. I'd prefer recruiting not to be limited to the Midwest means ND is too good for the big 10. ND spurned you years ago and you never got over it.

 

And to the point of scheduling, it's not as simple as who they've played recently. Until Kevin White started [expletive] things up, the schedule was good. Swarbrick has done a great job fixing it, esp in the next 3-4 years. Next year they play at Ireland, soldier field (miami), Oklahoma, Boston, and LA. In 3 years it's Texas, ASU, Boston, Stanford, etc. Maryland in FedEx field isn't the same as just Maryland (or Army in Yankee Stadium, etc).

 

They're playing 2 on the east coast, 1 on the west coast, and 1 in the south. If 8-9 games are constrained to the bigx, then you can't keep usc, Stanford, navy, bc, and rotate in Oklahoma, Texas, miami, byu, Tennessee, Washington, etc. ND isn't going to go to USC with no return trip from the Trojans, but they can't fit 2 CA teams on the schedule to guarantee a west coast game every year if they're in the bigx. But they join the bigx and they fight for the limited Midwest talent without the ability to play in front of and pick off a couple CA kids, a couple Texas kids, and a few NY/NJ kids.

 

Big 10 schools are huge and have terrible grad rates, esp for non-white players. Geography (getting out of the Midwest), academics, and school size all favor the ACC.

[Tracer Bullet]

Notre Dame plays 2-3 games a year outside the Big 10's footprint. It's not like they go on a traveling roadshow to ends of the country each year.

 

You understand that to play those 3 games outside the Midwest, you news 6 opponents rotating every 2 years to do it, right?

[Tarver]

Sure, and everyone does it, but it reminded me of the '90's when Mizzou was a doormat and they'd schedule any [expletive] team they thought was an easy W the few times channel 11 sent a camera to Columbia.

 

They're national now, they should act like it.

 

I don't understand the larger point you're making here.

 

All this conference realignment nonsense needs to be sorted out soon.